I recently posted this on another board that I'm a member of and it was well received. I thought that my experience might be helpful to some of you. Yes, it's long, sorry. I had orignally split it into 3 posts but didn't here.

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1) My trip to LI (parents were in the hurricane area)

I left here Thursday AM, after loading out the car with a lot of equipment, most of it newly purchased as I was planning on leaving it there and didn't want to sacrifice my own home preps.
I brought: 2 small generators (1800 and 2000 watts), 2 inverters, 2 deep cycle batteries, a battery charger, an extension cord (from house preps), a camp stove (from house preps), 2 power strips, 8 cans of camp stove propane, firestarters, matches,  solar lanterns (from house preps), a ton of batteries, a metal cot (from house preps), a shotgun (from house preps), ammo, 2 cases of water, and 10 gal empty gas cans (more on that later).
Also cell phone, chargers, laptop, groceries, clothes and the usual stuff you'd take on a trip.

The ride down from VT was fairly uneventful except for the gas situation, which started to be noticeable 60 miles north of NYC.
I stopped once on I-87 for gas for the car. Then I stopped in Newburgh NY for a cell phone charger that I had forgotten and thank God I did. When I got off the exit I noticed that lots of people with cars with New Jersey plates were huddled around the gas pumps filling up cans. I stopped and asked the guys there where the northern edge of the "no gas zone" was. One told me "you're lookin' at it, baby".
I ended up filling the cans there rather than in White Plains as I had planned. If I had waited it would have been too late.

I topped off the car one last time halfway down 684 and there was nothing left at the station but super unleaded and the line was fairly brutal.
When I got to my hometown I drove right down the main street. Most of the lights were out. Many of the stores were boarded up with plywood against looters and unsavory
characters were lurking around.

Trees were down all around, and I had to take a few alternate streets to get to my parents house. Arrival there was uneventful.

I was there for 8 days. The trip home was also uneventful. At the time I left the houses across the street still had no power and gas was still very limited in supply.

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2) Notes on physical issues:

- You may have to head INTO a disaster area rather than out of one, because of family members (or bad luck). This was something I had never really considered. This is a
more difficult situation than bugging out or staying put as you have to both pack and assume that nothing is available at your target destination (whereas if you bug out to
a safe zone it may be and if you stay put you have all your stuff right there).

- Make sure your vehicle can handle the weight of what you are carrying. My car had so much stuff in it that it steered like a shopping cart with a bad wheel. I
never weighed it but I think I was close to the gross weight the car could handle.

- You will forget things if you don't prepack it and doublecheck it all. I did pretty well considering the circumstances (on top of it all a family member was ill) but forgot my toothbrush, a prescription, my cell
phone charger, and some tools.

- Whatever you forget will be the one thing you need to get everything else working. The toolkit had some screwdrivers I needed to get the generator cover off. Fortunately a
neighbor had some.

- Gas, gas and more gas. You can't have too much gasoline. If you don't use it or need it someone else will.

- In bad or questionable areas, or in good areas bordering questionable ones, looting will start very quickly after the disaster. What will be looted first are luxury items, such
as electronics. The "cash for gold" and the fake nails place also got hit. Food stores won't get looted until later.

- In better areas looting will take a little longer, but will still happen unless it is defended against.

- It is mostly stores that will be looted. Unoccupied houses are at risk but less likely. Occupied houses were generally left alone. The looters are lazy and are looking
for a quick hit with no resistance.

- The people on the roads during a crisis will be 2 of 3 groups. The first responders will be out, responding. The normal clueful people will be home waiting it out. And the
thugs/morons/lookie loos will be out driving around and getting in the first responders way.

- A crisis will make people drive like they are auditioning for The Road Warrior movie. You need to be very defensive, because if your vehicle gets damaged you may not be able to get it fixed.

- You need multiple ways of doing anything. For instance, when paying for gas some of the stations only took credit cars, some only took cash. Bring both.

- You need backups for critical items. For instance, the built-in connection cord for one of the inverters fell apart in my hands as I tried to hook it to one of the
batteries, and I couldn't repair it with what I had on hand. Luckily I had a 2nd inverter.
"Two is one and one is none".

- Test out your equipment ahead of time. This wasn't really possible for me because I had just bought it all, but if you have the time don't get complacent and assume it'll
all work together when TSHTF. What I encountered was the inverter cord falling apart, and the newfangled gas can nozzles being a) completely cryptic and b) not working to
get gas into the car. We never figured out how these "green" nozzles worked. And on the working inverter the cable loop wouldn't fit over the battery post on one of the
batteries.

- You need some sort of night vision equipment, even if it's the cheapie game-spotting kind. Blacked out suburbs are DARK. And they will have bogeys in them and you're going to want to see them without them seeing you.

- Have a bicycle. In addition to it being transportation, riding it around can help you quickly acquire information from a larger area than you could get by walking.

- Don't rely on cell phones for communication. They were horrible for the first 5 days. Even texting was bad. I finally received some messages 8 days late just before I left.

- If you have VOIP phones instead of the old-time land line, make sure you have a backup power source for the home router etc. If the line are up and the regional switching gear is intact and working but you have no power in your house your phones will be out when they could be working if you had a way of powering them. Old land lines had their own power source into the phone, the newer bundled VOIP setup does not.

- You are going to need a funnel. Never leave home without a funnel .

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3) Notes on mental and social issues:

- In a crisis people become more of what they already are. Thugs get thuggier, selfish people get moreso, helpful people overextend themselves. Know who you are and who
your family is, and multiply it by 100 to get a sense of who you'll all turn into if TSHTF. You will have to figure out how to deal with this.

- Living in close quarters when you can't go out will have you start grating on each  other. Most people aren't around others 24X7. If TSHTF you might be and it can get ...
interesting. Make sure you have a way of coping, like using earplugs or bourbon or something.

- People will start hoarding even if they don't need the items. Just for grins I stood on a gas line for about a half hour one morning to try and get a gas can filled
up for the neighbors generator. The guy behind me on line in his car had gotten gas twice the day before. He had close to a full tank.
I still don't know why he was there. It's almost like hunting gas became a hobby for him.

- Acquiring needed supplies in a crisis requires third-world skills. When supplies are scarce everything reverts to who you know and who your friends are. The hispanics and
the indians in my town who came from countries that rely on this paradigm did really well with this. Mutual backscratching and a network of friends kept food and gas flowing to them without them
having to stand on lines. At one gas station they got a 12K gallon delivery at midnight and opened at 7 AM in the morning with 8K gallons. 4K gallons went *somewhere*.

- I'm convinced that when TSHTF for real the hispanic gardeners are going to be the only ones left standing LOL. They came from hardship conditions so they aren't soft, they
work their butts off, and they have the skills needed to thrive in third world conditions. They somehow managed to always have gasoline and were zooming around the
neighborhood with leaf blowers when everyone else was still trying to figure out how to get gas or make coffee on the barbecue.

- Expanding on the previous point: the FSA is too lazy to survive and will eat each other. The white collar class will still be trying to figure out what the rules are and
how to cope with it all and won't do well. The blue collar people with practical skills will partner with the gardeners and will do ok, but only if they have
skills in demand such as engine repair, welding, etc. Lazy blue collar workers or unskilled people won't cut it.

- Speaking of practical skills: Get some if you don't have any. Today. Of the 6 neighbors I worked with trying to get the indian people with the disabled family members down the block set up
with a generator only 2 of them were of any use. One was familiar with generators. The other wasn't but knew how to hook a generator to a natural gas furnace. This
cooperative effort kept those people from freezing to death but this luxury of multiple people with complimentary skillsets was pure luck and should have been able to be done
by one person.
You need to understand HVAC systems, electricity, small engines, plumbing, etc. Know your home systems and that of people you will interact with.

- Most people will be appallingly unprepped. The old lady across the street didn't even have any matches. The people I loaned the generator to didn't have a working
flashlight. I could go on but you get the picture. You need to either prep extra for these people or be prepared to deny them your help. And if you do the latter they may
come back with reinforcements and take it anyway.
It's far better to give them a box of matches, look forlorn and say "here, it's my last one, please use them carefully".

- Good neighbors will be your allies. Even ones that are unprepped may have either information or abilities that will help you all out. The guy down the block from my dad
rode his bicycle all over and brought back information that was very useful. The ones up the street knew an electrician who could be brought in to help with generator
hookups.

- a place that looks unarmed probably isn't. I found out from one of the neighbors that there were a lot more guns in the neighborhood than I ever suspected.

- People's slowness in getting a grip on the situation will drive you insane. For those who have been prepping for years, a crisis is much more "ho hum" and we snap into
action, knowing what to do. Its very easy for us to forget that most others who we will interact with have NOT been mentally chewing on  it for a decade and will come to reality much slower than we'd like.

- People slow to come to grips with the situation will look at your take-charge attitude and abilities as you being a bull in a china shop, and bossy. I had to really dial it back and gently lead them into understanding the new reality rather than barking orders at them like a Field Marshall, which is my MO in a crisis.

- Normalcy bias is a powerful thing, even in people who prep or at least somewhat get it. For instance, my mother was making tuna salad on the Friday after I got there and
asked me if I wanted celery in it. She then said she was out of celery but "could run down to the store to get some". I had to remind her that the store was closed and out
of power and that the traffic on the roads near the store looked like the chariot scene from "Ben Hur" .
This happened several times while I was there.

- Elderly people will have more trouble adapting if they haven't worked on staying flexible. My parents friends refused to come stay at our house, preferring to stay in
theirs despite it being 40 degrees indoors. Their son finally forcibly removed them after coming in from another state.

- There is definitely a 'grace period" after a disaster where people are nice and cooperative with each other. It's about 72-96 hours.
After that point people start getting pissy because they're cold, tired, uncomfortable, inconvenienced, etc. At that point you need to
be careful how you interact with them.

- Proud parents or family members who you are helping will brag to everyone within earshot about how much you brought and how great that is. You do
NOT want this to happen so warn them right at the outset to SHUT THEIR PIE HOLE.
For a short term disaster this wasn't a problem but in a long term one it could have been fatal if what we had was all we were going to have for a long period of time.

- If you're female, you especially need to get a grip on practical skills. The women in the neighborhood during this were far more clueless and afraid than the men were, and the ones that had no man to rely on were especially lost. You may not always have the luxury of a guy around who knows how your furnace works. You need to be able to do it yourself.

Excellent post, very helpful for a few women I know.  I am sending it too. Thanks

awesome post

Greatest write up I've ever seen on here.

Kudos.

Wow, great information from the war zone.

I especially appreciated the comment about loud people you're trying to help, broadcasting to everyone how much "stuff" you have.  I'd not really considered that one before.

Thank you Crowgirl for your excellent post.   I would like to use your post if you don't mind for a "show and tell" to friends.  It's one thing to hear it from the news but another from a individual who has been there and done.  Glad to see you came out good and you took care of your family.

Sure, go ahead. I don't think there's anything in there that would identify me, and not sure I'd care if it did LOL.

Great post, thanks for the info

Thanks for the review
 

Nice work Crow.
I am  glad you were able to come through and help your family in time  of need.
Thank you VERY much for the After action rep.
The world sorely needs more just like you.

great AAR. good job!

Thanks for the post, well thought out.

Thanks much for taking the time to write this up, Crowgirl.

Stay Safe,
AGreyMan

Outstanding post!   Kudu's to you for staying on top of things and helping out the folks.  Few people do that any more.

Anywyay, welcome to the forum.  Please feel free to contribute any time.

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Tagged.

Thanks for sharing and taking the time to type it out!!!Awesome firsthand info
 

Great AAR from a fellow Long Islander.

Nice post.

Thank You for the post. I hope that everything gets back to normal for your family.

Well done!  I'd say your spot on.

good writeup

Great Post, thanks for sharing. I have one question, How did your tires do. Often times people dont see the debris in the road or have no choice but to drive thru/over it. Did you have any flat tires at all, did you notice alot of flats. I remember it being said in one of many post disaster debreifs Ive seen that tires were getting punctured all the time, so spares and patching equipment with the knowledge of how to use them became very important. please continue with your reporting. And Im glad your fmaily is doing ok.

Thank you for a great post!

And good on ya for a stand up job of helping your folks and others.

Thanks for the thread

edit:

You did a lot of things well

Is there anything other than the vehicle weight issue that will change your future preps or actions

Will you be making return trips

Do you have any interesting pictures that you maybe brought back that you'd like to share

thanks

Excellent, excellent AAR. LOTS of valuable information and insight. Well done.



This really stuck out to me as we have had some recent discussions regarding what constitutes a "BOV" vs a "SHTFV". Hopefully people give the real possibilities you presented some serious consideration.

Where I was water and natural gas were still on and it had never been lost.  

My parents live at the north end of a town that got flooded but they stayed dry. From about 2 or 3 miles south of us to the bay was trashed in a lot of places (depending on topography and if there were canals in the area).  
I don't think  water or gas pressure was lost in the flooded area either. Down on the barrier beaches was a different story, there water treatment systems and pumping stations were trashed and whole houses were lost causing breaks in the gas lines so both systems either got turned off or failed on their own.

The sewage treatment plant that serves my parents area got really beat up - 9 feet of water in it, then it went on fire. They ended up having to let it straight-pipe sewage right into the bay or it would have backed up in people's houses .

It really was kind of a unique situation, as my parents didn't get flooded and power came back on pretty fast (3 days) but the opposite side of the street was out until yesterday (out 12 days) and the south end of town was flooded.  So I could observe and help from the comfort of a fully functional house.

There really wasn't a lot of anything but tree debris in the area where I mostly was so I wasn't worried about punctures from that. There was some auto debris at intersections where the lack of functioning street lights combined with lack of driver clue had caused collisions but nothing bad enough to give me a flat.

What was more of a worry was that the all-season tires on my car were already kind of bald and I was going to replace them in the spring after the snow tires came off. Plus one already had a patch in it  from a flat I got up here.   Those issues combined with a severely overloaded car made me wonder  if I'd even make it down there. I was hoping to God I wouldn't have to unload all that crap to get at the spare .

What we do around here is that the newer car becomes the "trip car" and the older car is just  used to get to work etc. Right now my car (Toyota Matrix hatchback) is the older one. I really wasn't planning on taking it on any long trips anymore, especially not before replacing the tires. But you know what they say: "If you want to make God laugh tell him your plans".

Tires and all, it still made more sense to take mine down there as it's both bigger and less valuable than the good car.

This is an interesting issue.  The ideal vehicle for both (since most of us don't have the finances to have a lot of cars) would be one that is bone-solid reliable, can carry a lot of weight, has good ground clearance and 4wd, yet is also is highly fuel efficient.   Thats a bit of a tall order.    Something like a Toyota hybrid SUV would probably come closest, or something diesel.  And with a diesel I think you could sacrifice the home heating oil to power it, if you had to.

This needs to be a tag. GREAT post!

Was diesel more available than gas?

Thank you Crowgirl.

Thank you for the post.  It is always very informative to have first hand knowledge shared.


Best of luck to your family and all the other affected.

I honestly don't recall. I generally stayed away from the gas stations because there were so many fights at them (one person got shot at the one a few blocks away before I got down there). And the one day I did stand on line I left empty-handed when the police showed up - there was a fight at the head of the line, about a half mile away from where I was.

I mentioned diesel because gallon for gallon it seems to get better mileage (friend of mine gets about 50 mpg out of her diesel Jetta wagon) and you could always tap the home heating oil if you had to, if it was formulated right.

Thanks for the great post and for sharing.

Most stations were either open or closed.  I wasn't really looking but most stations had the pumps blocked off if they had no gas.  They might have had diesel but it probably would have caused a riot if they pumped diesel then told everyone else they had no gas.  At most stations the diesel pump is mixed in with the gas pumps you wouldn't be able to avoid the line.

Excellent AAR. Thank you for sharing your story with us.

Thank you for taking the time to share.

Thanks a lot, I have a friend, a long time student of mine who is a casual prepper. I have told her many times to be ready and to come to our house,  You have shown a lot of real life that I hope helps her

Thanks for a wonderful write up! I only have some dull questions because everything was well written. What brand of generators and inverters did you use?
What two pieces of gear stood out as exceptionally valuable?

i don't believe anything the media writes about these types of stories.

here is the same saga –– and it says the FL-based lineman was taking a piss next to the guy's car, the guy and his girlfriend said something to the lineman, the lineman told him to fuck off,  the lineman kicked gravel against the car, and subsequently there was an altercation.  so who knows what the story is.  
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/with_busted_sandy_beating_recovery_CDNGj7looKm18OnWkIZu5N

ar-jedi

Great read and totally exposed my gender bias. I did not notice OP was a woman until I started reading responses and totally imagined a Vermont lumberjack.

Crowgirl,

Thanks for the AAR!

Were the generators you got for your parents gas or tri-fuel?

You mentioned that they never lost gas service - sounds like a tri-fuel would have been perfect due to the gasoline shortages.

The OP mentioned concern of her tires, made me realize the spare tire and jack/lug wench needs to be removed from the storage area if in the trunk.  They can be loaded back in on to of everything else you put in there.  That would save a lot of time if you had a flat and you wouldn't be advertising to the world your cargo.

Somewhere in Texas a head just popped.

Thanks.




Normalcy bias.  Celery.  Ben Hur chariot scene!   LOL  
Hopefully in a year or two you all have a real good laugh about it!