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6/9/2014 5:13:34 AM EDT
Well, I'm starting over again on the generator front.  I had a 4,500 watt gas generator stored in a locked shed in a fenced yard.  Stolen.  The cool part is there was a police car parked stationary not 50 feet from my house for all of but maybe thirty minutes during the time it came up missing.  I suspect the scum bags were waiting for him to leave and they knew I was a church.  This is the first theft I've had in maybe twenty-five years.  Locks were cut and gates broken.  If they want your stuff they're gonna get it.  



So I'm shopping generators.  I'm kind of leaning towards a couple of smaller ones that could cut down on fuel consumption.  My main power requirement is a 15 amp circuit to power my natural gas boiler in the winter.  What do you guys like these days.  I'll be up front and say I'm not spending more than $500 on this prep in total because power outages are not a huge issue in my area.  And if power is lost long-term in a SHTF I'll be moving on to a whole different gig.  My generator plan involves two or three weeks at any time max.
6/9/2014 5:20:50 AM EDT
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honda eu2k
spend the money, its worth it



btw, if you just get a gen to only use in shtf, you're doing it wrong.



a small lite genny gets used a lot more than for just shtf

6/9/2014 5:39:24 AM EDT
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Get two of these??

Then, get one of these
6/9/2014 5:47:28 AM EDT
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Well, I'm starting over again on the generator front.  I had a 4,500 watt gas generator stored in a locked shed in a fenced yard.  Stolen.  The cool part is there was a police car parked stationary not 50 feet from my house for all of but maybe thirty minutes during the time it came up missing.  I suspect the scum bags were waiting for him to leave and they knew I was a church.  This is the first theft I've had in maybe twenty-five years.  Locks were cut and gates broken.  If they want your stuff they're gonna get it.  

So I'm shopping generators.  I'm kind of leaning towards a couple of smaller ones that could cut down on fuel consumption.  My main power requirement is a 15 amp circuit to power my natural gas boiler in the winter.  What do you guys like these days.  I'll be up front and say I'm not spending more than $500 on this prep in total because power outages are not a huge issue in my area.  And if power is lost long-term in a SHTF I'll be moving on to a whole different gig.  My generator plan involves two or three weeks at any time max.
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Did you display any deterrent to help prevent theft, like cameras [even $5 dummy ones], a keypad on the shed with LEDs, even a $4 dummy one, or any other deterrent?

Why not?



6/9/2014 5:48:54 AM EDT
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I use a 3500 watt Champion that has 240v. I used a panel interlock so I can backfeed the panel. I really don't need much more because I'm on natural gas. The 240 just made it easier to back feed.

I see the generator as a transition to a very low power way of life
6/9/2014 6:41:27 AM EDT
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This.

I love my little champion.  It is often easier to take this to the back yard and power my circular saw than dragging out 200' of extension cord.

Then head over to www.motorsnorkel.com and pick up a tri-fuel conversion kit.  They are $187. A converted champion costs less than a blue or red genny, and based on feedback from the RV community they seem to be just as reliable.
6/9/2014 8:01:42 AM EDT
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Well, I'm starting over again on the generator front.  I had a 4,500 watt gas generator stored in a locked shed in a fenced yard.  Stolen.  The cool part is there was a police car parked stationary not 50 feet from my house for all of but maybe thirty minutes during the time it came up missing.  I suspect the scum bags were waiting for him to leave and they knew I was a church.  This is the first theft I've had in maybe twenty-five years.  Locks were cut and gates broken.  If they want your stuff they're gonna get it.  



So I'm shopping generators.  I'm kind of leaning towards a couple of smaller ones that could cut down on fuel consumption.  My main power requirement is a 15 amp circuit to power my natural gas boiler in the winter.  What do you guys like these days.  I'll be up front and say I'm not spending more than $500 on this prep in total because power outages are not a huge issue in my area.  And if power is lost long-term in a SHTF I'll be moving on to a whole different gig.  My generator plan involves two or three weeks at any time max.

Did you display any deterrent to help prevent theft, like cameras [even $5 dummy ones], a keypad on the shed with LEDs, even a $4 dummy one, or any other deterrent?



Why not?
Let's see.  Police officer napping working on reports in my driveway, locked gates, locked shed, security system on the house, no cameras.  We won't install them until later this summer when we can get a boom lift to do some other work and I'll hang the cameras then.  It's a pretty big house and you're not mounting the cameras using a step ladder.  They exploited the one weakness I gave them, naturally.  The best part is I scared them off when we came back home from church a little earlier than usual.  I figure they had a couple hundred foot head start on me.  



 
6/9/2014 8:04:12 AM EDT
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Over budget, but a very nice setup.  That's very much what I have in mind.  Wouldn't be so bad if I didn't have to spend money to replace everything else.  It certainly fits my plan.



 
6/9/2014 8:18:00 AM EDT
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Well, I'm starting over again on the generator front.  I had a 4,500 watt gas generator stored in a locked shed in a fenced yard.  Stolen.  The cool part is there was a police car parked stationary not 50 feet from my house for all of but maybe thirty minutes during the time it came up missing.  I suspect the scum bags were waiting for him to leave and they knew I was a church.  This is the first theft I've had in maybe twenty-five years.  Locks were cut and gates broken.  If they want your stuff they're gonna get it.  

So I'm shopping generators.  I'm kind of leaning towards a couple of smaller ones that could cut down on fuel consumption.  My main power requirement is a 15 amp circuit to power my natural gas boiler in the winter.  What do you guys like these days.  I'll be up front and say I'm not spending more than $500 on this prep in total because power outages are not a huge issue in my area.  And if power is lost long-term in a SHTF I'll be moving on to a whole different gig.  My generator plan involves two or three weeks at any time max.
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You are depending on natural gas supplied to you? What is your back up system for heat...and how much electricity does that need?

Moving on at a certain threshold of problems?
6/9/2014 8:23:18 AM EDT
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I’ve always liked the EU2000i generators. Those are very fuel efficient setups. I wanted to power my furnace blower, my deep freeze, my refrigerator and perhaps one small circuit to do things like run a radio or charge a phone. When I added it up it just didn’t look like a 2000i would cut it. On top of that they are pretty darn expensive. I ended up just getting a 3500 watt champion and wiring up a simple power inlet. When funds permit I would really like to upgrade the generator to one of the inverter generators and keep my champion as a backup. If power disruptions last more than a few days refueling is going to be a problem which is why I think small long lasting generators are great. If your funds are tight get a cheaper 2000-3500w conventional gas generator like the one you had but smaller and spend your effort getting the wiring right first. Power inlet, transfer switch and quality inlet cords. Once all of that is out of the way you can save up for the inverter generator.

I’m not an expert on the inverter generators but I do believe that Honda is getting a LOT of quality competition now. In the older days that 2000i was the best and only game in town for quality but now Yamaha, Champion, Genrac and a few other household names have competing products that appear to me from the outside to be strong contenders and they come with lower price points.
6/9/2014 8:25:26 AM EDT
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You are depending on natural gas supplied to you? What is your back up system for heat...and how much electricity does that need?

Moving on at a certain threshold of problems?
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Well, I'm starting over again on the generator front.  I had a 4,500 watt gas generator stored in a locked shed in a fenced yard.  Stolen.  The cool part is there was a police car parked stationary not 50 feet from my house for all of but maybe thirty minutes during the time it came up missing.  I suspect the scum bags were waiting for him to leave and they knew I was a church.  This is the first theft I've had in maybe twenty-five years.  Locks were cut and gates broken.  If they want your stuff they're gonna get it.  

So I'm shopping generators.  I'm kind of leaning towards a couple of smaller ones that could cut down on fuel consumption.  My main power requirement is a 15 amp circuit to power my natural gas boiler in the winter.  What do you guys like these days.  I'll be up front and say I'm not spending more than $500 on this prep in total because power outages are not a huge issue in my area.  And if power is lost long-term in a SHTF I'll be moving on to a whole different gig.  My generator plan involves two or three weeks at any time max.


You are depending on natural gas supplied to you? What is your back up system for heat...and how much electricity does that need?

Moving on at a certain threshold of problems?


NG heat may be just ONE of his heat sources. I am set up to use a generator to run my household heater but I also have acquired a couple of backup kerosene heaters. Two is one after all.
6/9/2014 8:43:44 AM EDT
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You are depending on natural gas supplied to you? What is your back up system for heat...and how much electricity does that need?



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Well, I'm starting over again on the generator front.  I had a 4,500 watt gas generator stored in a locked shed in a fenced yard.  Stolen.  The cool part is there was a police car parked stationary not 50 feet from my house for all of but maybe thirty minutes during the time it came up missing.  I suspect the scum bags were waiting for him to leave and they knew I was a church.  This is the first theft I've had in maybe twenty-five years.  Locks were cut and gates broken.  If they want your stuff they're gonna get it.  



So I'm shopping generators.  I'm kind of leaning towards a couple of smaller ones that could cut down on fuel consumption.  My main power requirement is a 15 amp circuit to power my natural gas boiler in the winter.  What do you guys like these days.  I'll be up front and say I'm not spending more than $500 on this prep in total because power outages are not a huge issue in my area.  And if power is lost long-term in a SHTF I'll be moving on to a whole different gig.  My generator plan involves two or three weeks at any time max.




You are depending on natural gas supplied to you? What is your back up system for heat...and how much electricity does that need?



Moving on at a certain threshold of problems?
At some point it'll be time to just move on.  The house is not sustainable at all in a long-term SHTF for a variety of reasons.  There's a reason why the old-timers didn't build places that big until the advent of cheap coal and oil.  The amount of time and energy it would take to heat the thing with alternate fuels would be just too great.  We'd just have to bug out to the alternate location with a much smaller and sustainable footprint.  A failure of the natural gas supply line would be in indicator of a much larger systemic failure.   I view generators as a relatively short-term prep because relying on the gasoline or LP supply line to keep them running is just as shaky as relying on natural gas.  



 
6/9/2014 8:54:05 AM EDT
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Well, first get your running load AND surge load and get a generator that will handle that plus 25%.



If you have Menards in your area, they have been having generators on sale for a month or so now (at least at ours). They had a 6500 watt electric start with wheel kit for $400 . Been on sale/clearance for probably 2 months. Just didn't have the monopoly money to drop on it right now with the newborn. They had some 3500 watt units with 240v for $250.




Oh, and get a couple kerosene heaters
6/9/2014 11:16:11 AM EDT
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Try a MACE security alarm from Amazon. Secure to the inside of the door and attach to a string to something inside the shed, when the door is opened the pin on the alarm is pulled out and the alarm goes off...Very loud.  
6/9/2014 12:00:58 PM EDT
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Well, I'm starting over again on the generator front.  I had a 4,500 watt gas generator stored in a locked shed in a fenced yard.  Stolen.  The cool part is there was a police car parked stationary not 50 feet from my house for all of but maybe thirty minutes during the time it came up missing.  I suspect the scum bags were waiting for him to leave and they knew I was a church.  This is the first theft I've had in maybe twenty-five years.  Locks were cut and gates broken.  If they want your stuff they're gonna get it.  

So I'm shopping generators.  I'm kind of leaning towards a couple of smaller ones that could cut down on fuel consumption.  My main power requirement is a 15 amp circuit to power my natural gas boiler in the winter.  What do you guys like these days.  I'll be up front and say I'm not spending more than $500 on this prep in total because power outages are not a huge issue in my area.  And if power is lost long-term in a SHTF I'll be moving on to a whole different gig.  My generator plan involves two or three weeks at any time max.




Did you display any deterrent to help prevent theft, like cameras [even $5 dummy ones], a keypad on the shed with LEDs, even a $4 dummy one, or any other deterrent?

Why not?





I never knew dummy cameras were a thing until now.  Thanks!  Definitely putting a few up...
6/9/2014 3:53:29 PM EDT
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honda eu2k


spend the money, its worth it

btw, if you just get a gen to only use in shtf, you're doing it wrong.

a small lite genny gets used a lot more than for just shtf
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YES

That's what we did.  Even for people on a horrible budget, it's money well spent.  

Cheap gennies may have inverters that make ugly square wave juice.  That stuff fries nice electronics.
6/9/2014 4:31:26 PM EDT
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YES

That's what we did.  Even for people on a horrible budget, it's money well spent.  

Cheap gennies may have inverters that make ugly square wave juice.  That stuff fries nice electronics.
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honda eu2k


spend the money, its worth it

btw, if you just get a gen to only use in shtf, you're doing it wrong.

a small lite genny gets used a lot more than for just shtf


YES

That's what we did.  Even for people on a horrible budget, it's money well spent.  

Cheap gennies may have inverters that make ugly square wave juice.  That stuff fries nice electronics.




Even cheap electronics can handle some pretty dirty power.  Very low concern.