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11/12/2012 9:07:05 PM EDT
So I got my LT111 in, took some adivce from those that gave me some tips on leveling and mounting. My luck didn't seem to benefit me when I was trying to level the scope. I had one level on the base of the mount, and obviously the other on the turret. I got them leveled out, tightened down the screws, making sure the bubbles were good. Well, after taking them off, I placed them back on and the damn levels were off, I mean way off. I do not understand how that is when I didnt move the rifle at all, and the scope didnt move either. I ended up doing this 3 or 4 times before just giving up, but by eyeing the scope, it looks like it's level. This is the first scope that I have done on my own given it isn't rocket science to do so, but for me, it may be.
11/13/2012 3:36:55 AM EDT
[#1]
Did you tighten the screws in a star pattern like your lug nuts on your car?  Also, don't tighten them all the way, do small turns at a time until you hit the desired psi for the mounts.  Tightening down the screws puts pressure on the scope which causes it to change level.

Its a fight sometimes...
11/13/2012 5:41:31 AM EDT
[#2]
I did it in a star pattern like I was supposed to. I did small increments making sure everything was staying level. You think I should just take it to a gun shop? I was just worried they were going to over tighten the screws.
11/13/2012 6:19:33 AM EDT
[#3]
Two different levels? Not sure if that'll work.


I use a Bubble-Level app for my smart phone. Download the kind that gives you a circular bubble gauge when the phone is flat.

Takes about 2 minutes...

1. Secure the rifle (without scope) where it won't move.
2. Place the phone (with app running) on the section of the rail where the scope will go.
3. Calibrate the bubble to zero.
4. Place the scope/mount into position.
5. Place the phone flat on the upper turret.
6. Rotate scope until bubble lines up.
7. Tighten ring screws until scope won't shift.
8. Shoulder rifle, as you would when operating it...confirm that scope is level (may require a slight nudge in one direction or another)
9. Tighten screws in crisscross pattern.



You can do the same with a real bubble level...

1. Secure the rifle (without scope) where it won't move.
2. Place the bubble level on the section of the rail where the scope will go.
3. Shift the rifle until the bubble is precisely centered. (then lock the rifle in position where it can not move)
4. Place the scope/mount into position.
5. Place the bubble level flat on the upper turret.
6. Rotate scope until bubble lines up.
7. Tighten ring screws until scope won't shift.
8. Shoulder rifle, as you would when operating it...confirm that scope is level (may require a slight nudge in one direction or another)
9. Tighten screws in crisscross pattern.
11/13/2012 6:38:40 AM EDT
[#4]
Not all levels are made equally.  When I purchased two levels for scope mounting I found two that read as close to the same as possible.  Believe it or not but there were plenty of levels that were not even close to one another.  My point is that you may have rotated/flipped one or the other or even both levels compared to when you initially leveled the scope and now it appears as though it is no longer level.  Try several different orientations of your levels to see if you can replicate the original level status.  Otherwise, leave the level on the scope and see if it shifts while tightening the screws.
11/13/2012 6:39:23 AM EDT
[#5]
The Wheeler level level level comes with two levels that have magnets. One attaches to the gun and the other on the turret. I leveled the rifle first then leveled the scope.

11/13/2012 7:07:10 AM EDT
[#6]
At least you aren't doing what I did.  I mounted my scope on a flat top AR15 to get it in the general ballpark, then after getting my OBR back I transferred it over and was shooting way high  I completely spaced on the 20 moa of the OBR  It only took a few shots to bring her down to zero but I had a good chuckle over it.
11/13/2012 11:54:22 AM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
Not all levels are made equally.  When I purchased two levels for scope mounting I found two that read as close to the same as possible.  Believe it or not but there were plenty of levels that were not even close to one another.  My point is that you may have rotated/flipped one or the other or even both levels compared to when you initially leveled the scope and now it appears as though it is no longer level.  Try several different orientations of your levels to see if you can replicate the original level status.  Otherwise, leave the level on the scope and see if it shifts while tightening the screws.


Nothing shifted during the tightening process. The scope stayed level. I am a little worried about my torque specs though. Not over tightening, but not having enough torque. I used the Allen key using the long end to tighten and I just tightened until I couldn't without using man hands. The scope doesn't seem to move, so I guess I'm good there right?
11/13/2012 12:09:39 PM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
The Wheeler level level level comes with two levels that have magnets. One attaches to the gun and the other on the turret. I leveled the rifle first then leveled the scope.



...and the magnet part works great, unless you're workingnon an aluminum rail section or possible an aluminum turret cap.

A.W.D.