Posted: 2/15/2011 12:10:19 PM EDT
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Here's a review I posted over in the Optics section, thought some here might be interested.
PST 1-4x24 review. VortexSam, Sticky if you want. |
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Originally Posted By firedog55: Here's a review I posted over in the Optics section, thought some here might be interested. PST 1-4x24 review. VortexSam, Sticky if you want. Awesome! Thanks for taking the time to do it!  -Sam |
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Originally Posted By firedog55: Glad you like it, now how about an ARD and good lens covers for it. Maybe a 1-6x24 version? You guys are on a roll. Thanks for the ideas, they are well noted. I can't reveal anything about new product development, but we are definitely listening to the users and working on lots of cool new things.  -Sam |
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To Vortex Optics: The Viper PST 1-4X ROCKS! Well, everything except for the illumination that is. Have taken it out to the range twice: once on a bench, and today in a rifle match. Both days were overcast, but with some snow on the ground, and I haven't been able to see the illumination even on 10-power either day. If the illumination mechanism were beefed up, this would be a near perfect scope. Even though the regular reticle is visible, I would like to have a illuminated reticle so my eyes/brain can pick up on the reticle faster for faster engagement down range. Sincerely, A Vortex Customer. |
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Originally Posted By NightHawkIX: Thanks for the feedback. We're definitely looking at ways to increase the illumination brightness, but it's not quite as easy as it might seem at first glance. We're actively working on it though and hopefully can improve it in the future.To Vortex Optics: The Viper PST 1-4X ROCKS! Well, everything except for the illumination that is. Have taken it out to the range twice: once on a bench, and today in a rifle match. Both days were overcast, but with some snow on the ground, and I haven't been able to see the illumination even on 10-power either day. If the illumination mechanism were beefed up, this would be a near perfect scope. Even though the regular reticle is visible, I would like to have a illuminated reticle so my eyes/brain can pick up on the reticle faster for faster engagement down range. Sincerely, A Vortex Customer. -Sam |
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I had 2 hours to use my PST for the first time this Sunday. Less than 20 rounds and I had it zeroed. My groups were great and the glass is bright.
I love the small center dot as it covers very little for prescision shooting. The ring is good for both eyes open red dot type shooting. As others have said I wish the illumination was a little brighter. I was shooting @ 2:30 /4:30 PM in SEPA and the targets are West/South/West from the bench so the sun was all over my right lobe. I had some snow and lot of brown & it was mostly sun ,very little clouds. I always could see either the crisp black etching or some shade of red. I feel the trade off is good for prescision shooting and the eye relief is super with my perscription shades, plain saftey glasses or nothing at all( Never fired WO eye protection). Looking forward to running it hard . . |
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Originally Posted By foreman2000:
Why would you want the PST target turrets over the regular ones on the HS ( i have never used them or ranged before but i am will ing to learn ) My biggest concern is the knobs being big and bulky and possibly getting knocked out of adjustment... I am learning how to run a course of fire and some do not like using hold overs . If you know or range the distance you can dial up a target real quick then return to zero using the CRS. If you do bang it or forget you just spin the turrent down until it stops than just back up a few clicks until the lite pipe is on Zero. You do not even have to look at it during the first part. If you are practicing , lets say at 400yards , it is nice to dial it up and use just the center dot. |
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I was able to run mine for the first time this weekend... After a few rounds at 50 to get it on paper, zeroed it 100 with just a few more... After that took it to a league shoot, shooting at CQB distances... Had to adjust it a full 2 mils down to get it on target (10 moa built in to the gun), which is where the target turrets came in handy... Only minor issues I had were the illumination would go out after one round... After a few rounds of this, reseating the battery after each round, I broke out a screwdriver to tighten the cap (had been finger tight before), problem solved... The other was just some slight distortion at 1x, which was solved with a nudge toward the 1.3x setting (call it 1.1-1.2x)... Ran the course great, easy to pick up the reticle for quick engagements... I need to pick up a throw lever for it and some lens caps, and I will be set...
This makes my third piece of Vortex glass (PST 2.5-10x44/ PST 1-4x24/ SPARC), and I have to say all them are hard to beat at their price points. Pic... 
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Glad you like it, I'm still impressed with mine. It's held up well on my SCAR 17, never losing zero. I'm waiting on the Viper HS 4-16x44 LR to mount on my Remington 700P.
Viper HS 4-16x44 Should have one by late June, or early July. I'll put up a review when I get it. I'm sold on Vortex optics. |
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took just a bit to get it walked down onto target, but here's some results at 100 yards with my OBR 762 and a front rest.
Once I felt like the scope was dialed in, let the wife have a go at shooting the dots. She thought it was just about the best thing in the world. I think the scope is great, the turrets adjust well and crisp/cleanly and that center dot, SOOOO much better than my burris tac 30. I want to get another one of these for my AR-15. I could not be more impressed or pleased with the customer service and product quality. |
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Originally Posted By coconut1: took just a bit to get it walked down onto target, but here's some results at 100 yards with my OBR 762 and a front rest. https://www.supermotors.net/getfile/891077/fullsize/09111-026.jpg Once I felt like the scope was dialed in, let the wife have a go at shooting the dots. She thought it was just about the best thing in the world. I think the scope is great, the turrets adjust well and crisp/cleanly and that center dot, SOOOO much better than my burris tac 30. I want to get another one of these for my AR-15. I could not be more impressed or pleased with the customer service and product quality. Awesome! Thanks so much! |
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I won at a local Practical rifle match today and much is owed to the center DOT in my Viper 1x4. We were shooting precsion close shots and the .25 MOE dot at 1 power allows you to see exactually what you are supposed/want to ht.
Really starting to get used to this optic and enjoying how it is preforming. |
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Originally Posted By BravoWhiskey: Awesome! Congrats on the win!I won at a local Practical rifle match today and much is owed to the center DOT in my Viper 1x4. We were shooting precsion close shots and the .25 MOE dot at 1 power allows you to see exactually what you are supposed/want to ht. Really starting to get used to this optic and enjoying how it is preforming. |
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Originally Posted By VortexSam:
Originally Posted By firedog55:
Glad you like it, now how about an ARD and good lens covers for it. Maybe a 1-6x24 version? You guys are on a roll. Thanks for the ideas, they are well noted. I can't reveal anything about new product development, but we are definitely listening to the users and working on lots of cool new things.
-Sam Yes a 1-6x24 is exactly what I need I would send up getting a few of them. As long as the 1x was a true 1 power. |
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Originally Posted By VortexSam:
Originally Posted By coconut1:
took just a bit to get it walked down onto target, but here's some results at 100 yards with my OBR 762 and a front rest. https://www.supermotors.net/getfile/891077/fullsize/09111-026.jpg Once I felt like the scope was dialed in, let the wife have a go at shooting the dots. She thought it was just about the best thing in the world. I think the scope is great, the turrets adjust well and crisp/cleanly and that center dot, SOOOO much better than my burris tac 30. I want to get another one of these for my AR-15. I could not be more impressed or pleased with the customer service and product quality. Awesome! Thanks so much! Done, buying another one after recovering from xmas. With my LT OBR762 and this scope, I got 2nd place at the last 3 gun match I shot on the long range stage. Managed 19 hits out of the 20 rounds I fired using my reloading data, ishooter and a GREAT scope. I have half a mind to sell my SSHD5x20 and get Vortex's 5-20 :D BTW, the last shot was a miss because the buzzer went off. Round went on target. GREAT optic. Really pleased. |
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Originally Posted By coconut1: Originally Posted By VortexSam: Originally Posted By coconut1: took just a bit to get it walked down onto target, but here's some results at 100 yards with my OBR 762 and a front rest. https://www.supermotors.net/getfile/891077/fullsize/09111-026.jpg Once I felt like the scope was dialed in, let the wife have a go at shooting the dots. She thought it was just about the best thing in the world. I think the scope is great, the turrets adjust well and crisp/cleanly and that center dot, SOOOO much better than my burris tac 30. I want to get another one of these for my AR-15. I could not be more impressed or pleased with the customer service and product quality. Awesome! Thanks so much! Done, buying another one after recovering from xmas. With my LT OBR762 and this scope, I got 2nd place at the last 3 gun match I shot on the long range stage. Managed 19 hits out of the 20 rounds I fired using my reloading data, ishooter and a GREAT scope. I have half a mind to sell my SSHD5x20 and get Vortex's 5-20 :D BTW, the last shot was a miss because the buzzer went off. Round went on target. GREAT optic. Really pleased. That's awesome! I'm glad that you like the scope so well. Sounds to me like you are doing your part shooting! |
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Originally Posted By VortexSam:
Originally Posted By coconut1:
Originally Posted By VortexSam:
Originally Posted By coconut1:
took just a bit to get it walked down onto target, but here's some results at 100 yards with my OBR 762 and a front rest. https://www.supermotors.net/getfile/891077/fullsize/09111-026.jpg Once I felt like the scope was dialed in, let the wife have a go at shooting the dots. She thought it was just about the best thing in the world. I think the scope is great, the turrets adjust well and crisp/cleanly and that center dot, SOOOO much better than my burris tac 30. I want to get another one of these for my AR-15. I could not be more impressed or pleased with the customer service and product quality. Awesome! Thanks so much! Done, buying another one after recovering from xmas. With my LT OBR762 and this scope, I got 2nd place at the last 3 gun match I shot on the long range stage. Managed 19 hits out of the 20 rounds I fired using my reloading data, ishooter and a GREAT scope. I have half a mind to sell my SSHD5x20 and get Vortex's 5-20 :D BTW, the last shot was a miss because the buzzer went off. Round went on target. GREAT optic. Really pleased. That's awesome! I'm glad that you like the scope so well. Sounds to me like you are doing your part shooting! Fortunately, the indian managed to buy a good arrow. I never thought I'd be excited to get xmas out of the way. I am definitely buying this same scope for my AR15, but want to look for something for my 22lr AR. Time to go surf your website. I was really really pleased with how accurate the reticle was. My hold overs were right on the money for has marks and what I figured the drop would be on my bullet. Prior to this stage, I had not shot this rifle and scope past 100 yards, but it was dead on at 100. So I am still pleased as hell with the results. And here I thought I was done buying scopes for a while. And thank you again for supporting LE. I couldn't tell you how pleased I am with your service and product. Looking forward to the LT TMG championship in April. Sure wish I had this scope at the last one. ETA - pic :D   
then the sight in target for my new reload I just worked up: 
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Originally Posted By DarkNite:
Just got one. Should I get the extended magnification lever? Does it get in the way of the charging handle in any way? Will be in a Larue SPR mount. if you are referring to the switch view, YES, get it. Much easier and faster to adjust your magnification. |
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Originally Posted By coconut1:
Originally Posted By DarkNite:
Just got one. Should I get the extended magnification lever? Does it get in the way of the charging handle in any way? Will be in a Larue SPR mount. if you are referring to the switch view, YES, get it. Much easier and faster to adjust your magnification. The switch view is great and doesn't interfere with any operations on the scope to my experience thus far. |
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For the growing numbers of "astimatismly challenged" shooters.....a nice 1.5X fixed power with a small squarish 1moa illuminated dot would be nice....
also one in a fixed 3X would not go amiss Leupold blew this -imo- as folks like their Prismatic but want 1. more magnification and 2. parallax adjustment This might also be a nice scope for turkey hunting as well I see more and more guys asking about optics that better address astigmatism problems associated with blooming dots....I have noticed that the smaller the illuminated dot is the less bloom it has for me and the more useful it is.. A refined Prismatic with the Vortex name and quality on it would be a very attractive scope for me....I would buy two if you had two choices of magnification and dump my ACOG and Aimpoint. Keep it light wt and maybe with an integral mount I would have no problem paying you what Leupold gets for their Prismatic As the numbers of AR15 shooters age....the demand for and optic like this coule follow... thanks for listening
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| I think the 1-4X would be awesome in a hunting scenario. Worked great for me when I put on my .308 Browning BAR. I will pass along the recommendation for the PST 1-6 but please know that making a 1-6X scope at a low price can be very difficult to do. Thanks again for the feedback, guys. |
| The reticles currently in the PST, and Razor riflescopes if the original/only brightness level that has been offered. The price comparison between the two is a pretty big spread. The Viper PST 1-4Xs usually go for around $500 but the Razor HD Gen II 1-6X24 riflescopes usually go for about $1,400. Thanks again and please let us know if you have further questions. |
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Originally Posted By VortexOptics:
The reticles currently in the PST, and Razor riflescopes if the original/only brightness level that has been offered. The price comparison between the two is a pretty big spread. The Viper PST 1-4Xs usually go for around $500 but the Razor HD Gen II 1-6X24 riflescopes usually go for about $1,400. Thanks again and please let us know if you have further questions. Good to know on the reticles. Yeah I know there is a huge difference in price between the 1-4 PST and 1-6 Razor. I was wondering what it would be + or - if you were to make a 1-6 in the PST line. BTW I ordered me a 1-4 PST last night and I can't wait for Thursday for it to come in the mail!!!! 
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| Hey glad to hear you have a 1-4X PST coming your way! Thank you for buying one. We appreciate it. As for the difference in price between a theoretical 1-6X PST and a 1-4X PST, I honestly have no idea. I know 1-6Xs are hard to make well so I would imagine it would theoretically cost a lot more but again I don't have any way of knowing. |
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Originally Posted By 9divdoc:
For the growing numbers of "astimatismly challenged" shooters.....a nice 1.5X fixed power with a small squarish 1moa illuminated dot would be nice.... also one in a fixed 3X would not go amiss Leupold blew this -imo- as folks like their Prismatic but want 1. more magnification and 2. parallax adjustment This might also be a nice scope for turkey hunting as well I see more and more guys asking about optics that better address astigmatism problems associated with blooming dots....I have noticed that the smaller the illuminated dot is the less bloom it has for me and the more useful it is.. A refined Prismatic with the Vortex name and quality on it would be a very attractive scope for me....I would buy two if you had two choices of magnification and dump my ACOG and Aimpoint. Keep it light wt and maybe with an integral mount I would have no problem paying you what Leupold gets for their Prismatic As the numbers of AR15 shooters age....the demand for and optic like this coule follow... thanks for listening I'll settle for a 1X or a 3X
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Originally Posted By VortexOptics:
Yeah defnitely, have a look at those prism scopes we have coming out! 1X and 3X coming out in 2014! Can they handle the reverse recoil of a cross bow?.....now that Gov Walker has signed the bill. |
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Originally Posted By VortexSam:
Thanks for the feedback. We're definitely looking at ways to increase the illumination brightness, but it's not quite as easy as it might seem at first glance. We're actively working on it though and hopefully can improve it in the future. -Sam Originally Posted By VortexSam:
Originally Posted By NightHawkIX:
To Vortex Optics: The Viper PST 1-4X ROCKS! Well, everything except for the illumination that is. Have taken it out to the range twice: once on a bench, and today in a rifle match. Both days were overcast, but with some snow on the ground, and I haven't been able to see the illumination even on 10-power either day. If the illumination mechanism were beefed up, this would be a near perfect scope. Even though the regular reticle is visible, I would like to have a illuminated reticle so my eyes/brain can pick up on the reticle faster for faster engagement down range. Sincerely, A Vortex Customer. -Sam Sam, Is there any way you can explain in simple terms why it's difficult to increase the illumination brightness? I think many of us are very curious to know. Thanks for all your help! |
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Originally Posted By maveric23: Sam, Is there any way you can explain in simple terms why it's difficult to increase the illumination brightness? I think many of us are very curious to know. Thanks for all your help! Originally Posted By maveric23: Originally Posted By VortexSam: Originally Posted By NightHawkIX: To Vortex Optics: The Viper PST 1-4X ROCKS! Well, everything except for the illumination that is. Have taken it out to the range twice: once on a bench, and today in a rifle match. Both days were overcast, but with some snow on the ground, and I haven't been able to see the illumination even on 10-power either day. If the illumination mechanism were beefed up, this would be a near perfect scope. Even though the regular reticle is visible, I would like to have a illuminated reticle so my eyes/brain can pick up on the reticle faster for faster engagement down range. Sincerely, A Vortex Customer. -Sam Sam, Is there any way you can explain in simple terms why it's difficult to increase the illumination brightness? I think many of us are very curious to know. Thanks for all your help! Sure, although I'm going to keep it very basic because I don't want to give away any of our trade secrets to competitors. In a nutshell the illumination technology we are using in the PST fits the price point. We are using different technologies in the 1-6x24 Razor to get daylight bright, but it is more expensive. There are also some other more expensive technologies available that just don't fit the price point of the PST series. There are ways to do it at the price point, but at significant detriment to battery life, to the point that we don't consider it a good alternative. That being said, we are still exploring new ways to bring that level of brightness to the PST level of scope, but sometimes these things take time to implement. We are definitely working on lots of stuff behind the scenes all the time, so keep an eye out. Thanks! Sam
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