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Posted: 6/12/2023 5:51:31 PM EDT
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Quoted: Yes. And none of those items should be prevented from sale. They are available on other sites without restrictions. (Just verified) View Quote I could be wrong but Mark may have told the State that until they overturn their unconstitutional bans LT won’t ship anything to the state. I could be wrong. |
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Quoted: I could be wrong but Mark may have told the State that until they overturn their unconstitutional bans LT won’t ship anything to the state. I could be wrong. View Quote Patriotic Americans would support those behind enemy lines that are still fighting the good fight. Even more so when the items ordered don’t even go against the law. Mark is patriotic isn’t he? Donations to NOLO etc? Esstac Stu & Ryan even told me he was cool. |
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I have no idea what LaRue is doing or why.
Quite honestly, having read the proposed legislation in Oregon, very similar to yours, I wouldn’t expect any manufacturer to ship anything to me if it were passed. Just because a part is “legal” to ship does not mean the state won’t waste hundreds of thousands of tax payers dollars pursuing legal action against a company that shipped a legal part. I know for a fact that the Oregon DA would file suit in a court they own even though I am in southern Oregon. That can get very expensive and would 100% result in a conviction. I suspect the same holds true in WA. It is sad that your elected officials have made doing business in your state such a crap shoot. Hopefully you will be able to find one of the many suppliers willing to ship all those parts to you. If you want them from LaRue and are not willing to accept any of the viable other products on the market then good luck. Hopefully your legislators will get slapped down by the upper courts and you will be able to once again order from your vendor of choice. |
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Quoted: Yes. And none of those items should be prevented from sale. They are available on other sites without restrictions. (Just verified) View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Washington state? Yes. And none of those items should be prevented from sale. They are available on other sites without restrictions. (Just verified) Correct. But your state went batshit crazy, so order from those sites willing to put their ass in the wind and ship. LaRue & PSA have too much to lose to ship you an $87 order and get slapped w/ an $87 million lawsuit. Your state is preventing large retailers from shipping to you, the retailers aren't turning their nose up at your money by choice. |
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Instead of whining on here, why not call or email customer service and find out.
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Quoted: Yes. And none of those items should be prevented from sale. They are available on other sites without restrictions. (Just verified) View Quote Try explaining that to the businesses that refuse to ship stripped lowers that are in fact transferable and legal in NY. Op, if you haven’t yet, get ready to experience the crème de or crème responses to questions like these… “Move to a free state” “I wouldn’t care if Russia dropped a Nuke on ____ State” etc etc. The real brain trust of the right you’re dealing with here… |
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Quoted: Try explaining that to the businesses that refuse to ship stripped lowers that are in fact transferable and legal in NY. Op, if you haven’t yet, get ready to experience the crème de or crème responses to questions like these… “Move to a free state” “I wouldn’t care if Russia dropped a Nuke on ____ State” etc etc. The real brain trust of the right you’re dealing with here… View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Yes. And none of those items should be prevented from sale. They are available on other sites without restrictions. (Just verified) Try explaining that to the businesses that refuse to ship stripped lowers that are in fact transferable and legal in NY. Op, if you haven’t yet, get ready to experience the crème de or crème responses to questions like these… “Move to a free state” “I wouldn’t care if Russia dropped a Nuke on ____ State” etc etc. The real brain trust of the right you’re dealing with here… It's not just the letter of the law you guys are suffering under. There's also the unknown but real risk of prosecution or civil lawsuits from a leftist entity with near infinite legal funds, as well as tons of misinformation about what is legal and what is not - with multiple sides having a vested interest in lying to you. Small guys like me aren't going to take a risk shipping to a ban state. Big guys like LaRue and PSA, it's not worth the trouble - they don't make enough on y'all for the legal risk incurred. It's going to be some of the medium sized growing resellers that will mark stuff up and charge a premium to the ban states to cover their legal risk. Academy is a sterling example. A free state store sold a Coloradan an AR w/ a 30 rnd mag. The nut went and shot a several folks w/ it, and Colorado has a 15 rnd mag limit. Academy lost the lawsuit and ended up pulling all their ARs. That was Colorado, where ARFCOMers tell us LGS routinely ignore the law and sell 30 rnd mags openly. But a Texas company got bit hard by not paying attention to the dot & tittle of a semi-leftist state. After that, it's amazing that anyone does business with you guys at all. |
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Quoted: Instead of whining on here, why not call or email customer service and find out. View Quote He posted his question in the Larue Industry forum, thats what its for, whats wrong with that? Did you not even notice that? I bet you didn't but will claim you did, now rush and hit the quote button lol. |
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I don’t think anyone from LaRue monitors this much anymore, and Mark hasn’t been on here in years.
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Quoted: Patriotic Americans would support those behind enemy lines that are still fighting the good fight. Even more so when the items ordered don’t even go against the law. Mark is patriotic isn’t he? Donations to NOLO etc? Esstac Stu & Ryan even told me he was cool. View Quote I just went through the same thing with palmetto and stripped lowers. COMPLETELY LEGAL IN NY. Josiah or whatever his name is said in one of my two deleted by them threads(really shows the state of things when a thread criticizing them gets deleted not once but twice) that the law makers are the reason. Que the well actually meme.....No they aren't bc they aren't illegal. How do you know I'm not building a single shot gun with it? I could be building a fixed mag gun which would be 100% legal as well. I 100% agree with your post OP. You would think that these companies would do whatever they LEGALLY could to support those of us trapped behind enemy lines. |
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Quoted: It's not just the letter of the law you guys are suffering under. There's also the unknown but real risk of prosecution or civil lawsuits from a leftist entity with near infinite legal funds, as well as tons of misinformation about what is legal and what is not - with multiple sides having a vested interest in lying to you. Small guys like me aren't going to take a risk shipping to a ban state. Big guys like LaRue and PSA, it's not worth the trouble - they don't make enough on y'all for the legal risk incurred. It's going to be some of the medium sized growing resellers that will mark stuff up and charge a premium to the ban states to cover their legal risk. Academy is a sterling example. A free state store sold a Coloradan an AR w/ a 30 rnd mag. The nut went and shot a several folks w/ it, and Colorado has a 15 rnd mag limit. Academy lost the lawsuit and ended up pulling all their ARs. That was Colorado, where ARFCOMers tell us LGS routinely ignore the law and sell 30 rnd mags openly. But a Texas company got bit hard by not paying attention to the dot & tittle of a semi-leftist state. After that, it's amazing that anyone does business with you guys at all. View Quote This post almost completely contradicts itself. On one hand you say that these companies have legal teams telling them what is legal and not. Then you say why would they do business with us(people in ban state) when we are asking them to sell completely legal parts. So if their legal team can tell them what isn't legal shouldn't they also be able to explain what is legal as well? That's the frustrating part is the information is readily available for all to see and therse companies disregard it. |
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Quoted: Correct. But your state went batshit crazy, so order from those sites willing to put their ass in the wind and ship. LaRue & PSA have too much to lose to ship you an $87 order and get slapped w/ an $87 million lawsuit. Your state is preventing large retailers from shipping to you, the retailers aren't turning their nose up at your money by choice. View Quote I don't blame those companies that don't want to crawl through every state's every state's gun laws while having a legal team monitor them for changes. It's easier to just shut a whole state down. The Massholes I chat with on another board bitch about BCM--BCM won't even ship a hat to MA. |
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Quoted: This post almost completely contradicts itself. On one hand you say that these companies have legal teams telling them what is legal and not. Then you say why would they do business with us(people in ban state) when we are asking them to sell completely legal parts. So if their legal team can tell them what isn't legal shouldn't they also be able to explain what is legal as well? That's the frustrating part is the information is readily available for all to see and therse companies disregard it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: It's not just the letter of the law you guys are suffering under. There's also the unknown but real risk of prosecution or civil lawsuits from a leftist entity with near infinite legal funds, as well as tons of misinformation about what is legal and what is not - with multiple sides having a vested interest in lying to you. Small guys like me aren't going to take a risk shipping to a ban state. Big guys like LaRue and PSA, it's not worth the trouble - they don't make enough on y'all for the legal risk incurred. It's going to be some of the medium sized growing resellers that will mark stuff up and charge a premium to the ban states to cover their legal risk. Academy is a sterling example. A free state store sold a Coloradan an AR w/ a 30 rnd mag. The nut went and shot a several folks w/ it, and Colorado has a 15 rnd mag limit. Academy lost the lawsuit and ended up pulling all their ARs. That was Colorado, where ARFCOMers tell us LGS routinely ignore the law and sell 30 rnd mags openly. But a Texas company got bit hard by not paying attention to the dot & tittle of a semi-leftist state. After that, it's amazing that anyone does business with you guys at all. This post almost completely contradicts itself. On one hand you say that these companies have legal teams telling them what is legal and not. Then you say why would they do business with us(people in ban state) when we are asking them to sell completely legal parts. So if their legal team can tell them what isn't legal shouldn't they also be able to explain what is legal as well? That's the frustrating part is the information is readily available for all to see and therse companies disregard it. As I said in the 1st line, it's not just the letter of the law - you guys have rabid leftist AGs willing to sue large companies for OBEYING the law. So it's only worth it for growing mid-size companies wanting to charge a premium to deal w/ you guys. Down the road, I'd like to form separate LLCs to deal w/ each communist state, and charge an appropriate premium for the risk. Then, if California Gun Bits LLC gets sued, then it just folds, while Massachusetts Gun Bits LLC carries on shipping pre ban mags up north. As it is, I wouldn't ship anything to you guys right now and risk my main LLC. |
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Same thing just happened here in CT. Ordered 3 MBT triggers and got cancelled for restricted items. Called customer service and told this is what "compliance guy said and nothing can be done."
Not sure when and how this community gets so divided and starts to erect barriers to access when none existed, then gives in to fear from vocal over-zealous leftists, and resort to sabotage and undermining your own customer base and compatriots. The gun control crowd is laughing so hard, because clearly, "gun control" worked. Now no one will sell anything to "ban state" for fear of lawsuit, regardless what the actual legal requirements are. Very disappointed. I really liked Larue products and had been a strong supporter until now. At the end of the day, I am just one customer, their overall sale in the entire state of CT is unlikely to impact the bottom line, and there is enough demand for their products to ignore this narrow segment. Easy business decision, right? And as a private company, it's their prerogative. Until another purple state flips, another joined the "ban state" list... First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. |
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Quoted: Same thing just happened here in CT. Ordered 3 MBT triggers and got cancelled for restricted items. Called customer service and told this is what "compliance guy said and nothing can be done." Not sure when and how this community gets so divided and starts to erect barriers to access when none existed, then gives in to fear from vocal over-zealous leftists, and resort to sabotage and undermining your own customer base and compatriots. The gun control crowd is laughing so hard, because clearly, "gun control" worked. Now no one will sell anything to "ban state" for fear of lawsuit, regardless what the actual legal requirements are. Very disappointed. I really liked Larue products and had been a strong supporter until now. At the end of the day, I am just one customer, their overall sale in the entire state of CT is unlikely to impact the bottom line, and there is enough demand for their products to ignore this narrow segment. Easy business decision, right? And as a private company, it's their prerogative. Until another purple state flips, another joined the "ban state" list... First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. View Quote They're in business to make money, and they can't make money if your AG shuts them down. The leftists are losing gun control at the Fed level, so they're going after individual states. Even without a ban on a specific item, the risk to a large company for doing legitimate business w/ you is more than the profit it will bring. You have to fix your own shit at the state level, we can't help you. |
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I’m rather surprised I haven’t heard from anyone from the larue company. They were emailed as well. The items I ordered were going on my two G rifles. Team Esstac actually suggested I try the larue grips. The one they had on the larue bolt gun in the Esstac shop was nice.
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Quoted: I’m rather surprised I haven’t heard from anyone from the larue company. They were emailed as well. The items I ordered were going on my two G rifles. Team Esstac actually suggested I try the larue grips. The one they had on the larue bolt gun in the Esstac shop was nice. View Quote You were already told that Team LaRue doesn’t monitor this sub. Hasn’t for years. You will get a much faster response from Mark on Instagram. |
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Quoted: It's not just the letter of the law you guys are suffering under. There's also the unknown but real risk of prosecution or civil lawsuits from a leftist entity with near infinite legal funds, as well as tons of misinformation about what is legal and what is not - with multiple sides having a vested interest in lying to you. Small guys like me aren't going to take a risk shipping to a ban state. Big guys like LaRue and PSA, it's not worth the trouble - they don't make enough on y'all for the legal risk incurred. It's going to be some of the medium sized growing resellers that will mark stuff up and charge a premium to the ban states to cover their legal risk. Academy is a sterling example. A free state store sold a Coloradan an AR w/ a 30 rnd mag. The nut went and shot a several folks w/ it, and Colorado has a 15 rnd mag limit. Academy lost the lawsuit and ended up pulling all their ARs. That was Colorado, where ARFCOMers tell us LGS routinely ignore the law and sell 30 rnd mags openly. But a Texas company got bit hard by not paying attention to the dot & tittle of a semi-leftist state. After that, it's amazing that anyone does business with you guys at all. View Quote Wtf is that supposed to mean? You don’t need to explain anything to me, I was the one telling op what’s what. And you guys laugh, until your state falls. Just ask the Virginia boys. |
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Quoted: Wtf is that supposed to mean? You don’t need to explain anything to me, I was the one telling op what’s what. And you guys laugh, until your state falls. Just ask the Virginia boys. View Quote I'm not laughing. Don't put up w/ our state is retarded and everyone should put their ass in the wind to help us, either. I've done what I can for Massachusetts. |
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Oregon is about to go full retard on gun control. If what I read was right every part of an upper will be required to have a serial number. Catch 22 is, the sn can only be applied by a licensed manufacturer. No grandfathering.
So, yes, your situation sucks. But our situation is about to get a whole lot worse. It is up to us to make our elected representatives so uncomfortable that they quit pushing this shit. Problem is there is huge money in the coffers for gun control advocates. Money that muffles the sound of the majority of the people who only want to maintain their rights. Will I expect LT to ship me an apeg because it’s legal and I want one? No, I’ll take that apeg money and donate it to someone who will leverage it to change the system. Ymmv… |
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Quoted: Down the road, I'd like to form separate LLCs to deal w/ each communist state, and charge an appropriate premium for the risk. Then, if California Gun Bits LLC gets sued, then it just folds, while Massachusetts Gun Bits LLC carries on shipping pre ban mags up north. As it is, I wouldn't ship anything to you guys right now and risk my main LLC. View Quote Thats a pretty cool idea, actually, just to get more shit behind enemy lines. |
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Quoted: Oregon is about to go full retard on gun control. If what I read was right every part of an upper will be required to have a serial number. Catch 22 is, the sn can only be applied by a licensed manufacturer. No grandfathering. So, yes, your situation sucks. But our situation is about to get a whole lot worse. It is up to us to make our elected representatives so uncomfortable that they quit pushing this shit. Problem is there is huge money in the coffers for gun control advocates. Money that muffles the sound of the majority of the people who only want to maintain their rights. Will I expect LT to ship me an apeg because it’s legal and I want one? No, I’ll take that apeg money and donate it to someone who will leverage it to change the system. Ymmv… View Quote I grew up in Oregon, I’ve been watching the 114 thing pretty closely. It’s absolutely nuts. |
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