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Posted: 10/19/2004 10:18:45 AM EDT
I have emailed you and IM'd you directly on many occasions without ever receiving a reply. I was wondering if you could give me an update on the M95 & M94 stocks. When will they or will they ever start becoming available?
Many thanks Mark Potter Houston, TX |
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Yeah, I'd love to know when the next stocks are predicted to come out. I'm very slowly building my AR now. I don't have all the money now, so I'm buying one part at a time, until I have everything I need... I'd rather not drop $225 on the M93A if the next generation will be out within a few months... buyers remorse sucks.
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Considering the other stocks will use the same receveiver extension as the M93A, I don't think it is abig deal to go ahead and get the M93 first. I'm sure when the new stocks come out, Rich will offer them at a lower price if you don't need the extension tube. I think Rich even plans on using the same tube for the M93B and just redesigning the bodym at lest this is what I heard a few months ago when the M93B was being discussed. Anyway, I think any new stocks from Magpul are probably going to be at least a year off, if not more.
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What IS the 93B? |
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The next evolution of the M93. It is supposed to have a more organic and ergonomic shape and feel as well as several QD sling points to use with three point slings. It is also going to have similar reinforcements as the M93A-R, which was a special run of M93As with reinforced tail sections made for a certain special Marine Corps unit. I wouldn't wait around for it. It is still just in the planning stages the last time it was talked about and nothing has been finalized AFAIK. I would have to guess it is at least a year off as well, if not longer. Like i said, if you want a Magpul stock, just go ahead and get the M93A. The other stocks are probably a good ways off and passing up the M93A in the meantime is just a big mistake. It is the most solid collapsible stock on the market while being extremely rugged (KevinB said he took down a door with one) and is the most innovative and most potentially adaptable and versatile stock on the market. Plus, the likelihood of future stocks using the same recevier extension means that you won't be out of luck when the new stocks come out. All you will need to do is replace the stock itself and not have to touch the extension tube and receiver. It would just be a simple 10 second swap. |
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I actually have two 93A's at this point, but the 93B comes up in almost every thread about Magpul, and no one ever explained it. :)
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Tell me Knightone...if I said I wanted to get a .50 Beowulf and they were currently out of production, would you tell me I'd better get a .458 Socom while I can? Or if Olympic Arms was advertising their .243 Win models but never actually produced them should I go ahead and get another .223 because to do otherwise 'would just be a big mistake'?
My point being, you don't know what I want or why so to tell me what I should go ahead and get is missing my point I'm afraid. I assure you that it is completely insignificant to me that one might take down a door with one of their fine & sturdy M93 stocks, though I hope Magpul sells a ton of them advertising that neat little aside! I don't want a Magpul for the sake of having a Magpul. I am interested in a particular model(s) for particular reasons that they advertised on their website for a long, long time and have yet to be made available. My problem (and thus the reason for my posting here) was actually in hopes of shaming them to actually taking the simple step in responding to a request for information since they have seen fit to ignore emails & posts in other AR15 forums. In fact, the more I think about it, why WOULD I buy anything from Magpul if this is an example of their customer service? In my personal experience, Magpul has the worst customer service of any vendor I have ever engaged via AR15.com. They don't even have the common courtesy to answer a simple inquiry about a product on their website. Many of them in fact. Including this one! Hey if they aren't going to build them, great! Why is it so hard for them to answer a question? If they don't care enough to answer a simple question - no matter what their answer might be - what service does that portend in the future? I'd have to say pretty damned poor |
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Ok Markbo,
Your concerns about our responses are legitmate. All I can offer back is that over the last few months it is all we could do to keep our heads above water. Our new shipping/billing system and the addition of a full time office manager should allow us more time to comunicate with everyone. What occured with the stocks is that they were put on hold so we could produce smaller items that would have a greater effect for those in harms way, such as the followers and Ranger plates. The truth on the M94 and M95 is that we have not decided when to fit those items into the production cycle. That said a non MSS version of the M95 (based upon the existing full sized AR15 tube) is in the works as we speak. No further details will be given on this project until later. |
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Thank you very much for your reply. It is completely satisfactory and explanatory. I can now stand by in peace.
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Awesome! |
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KICK @$$!!!!
Rich...that thing is just AWESOME!! If you want some guinnea pigs (even one that will pay you for a stock for the privilege of testing), I'm your man. Can't wait for additional details. Thank you for the update and, as always, for doing what you do for our men and women in the armed services and the shooting public. ORD out... |
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That is seriously the most amazing looking stock I've ever seen. I've already ordered a MIAD, I'm about to order a M93A2... I might as well go ahead and get another MIAD and start building a new rifle for this stock. Truly astounding, I can't wait to get my hands on one.
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I know you guys already have a bunch of stuff on your plate, but is there an ETA for this to be released? I'd really like one to test on my M93A2 equiped AR10.
Also wondering if/when some new tail units for the M93 will be making an appearence? It would be nice to have a compartment to store my cleaning kit and sight wrench. |
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Stock looks neat, but why was the decision made to make it incompatable with the MSS?
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The stock is NOT in place of the M95 for the MSS, it is just an additional stock based on the full-size ar-15 buffer tube and in no way related to the Modular system at all.
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Oh!!! I wished I could have that stock right there as is. Is there anyway to buy it from you guys? That stock looks like it would be one comfortible stock and very adjustible. Thanks Arvin |
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Mr. Fitzpatrick:
After getting my paws on the M95 at the shotshow, I must have one! I wanted to ask you these questions in person, but you were way busy. Price, and when do I place my order? Oh and thank you for thinking outside the box, and makin it a reality for the rest of us. |
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M95, green, 1 ea...
please, thank you. Out of curiosity - How much does the M95 stock assembly weigh? Minus buffer and tube. |
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You guys can add me to the "buy right this second" list when the M-95 comes out. Those things will sell like hotcakes! The sooner the better
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Hi Rich. You've come up with another product, in the M95, that fits perfectly into one of my builds. Figure out a price then, when you decide to make them, I'll happily pre-pay for one.
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Put me down for one the M95 spin offs, that uses the full sized AR buffer tube. I know you guys are busy supporting those in harms way. So I'll be patient. In the mean time I'll do the "I gotta pee dance" while waiting.
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I have been waiting on the modules for the M93 series for a while, but now also feel a need for the M95. My Magpul industries savings envelope continues to need more feeding.
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I talked to Magpul today and they are saying the end of August on the M95 stock.
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mmmhmmm... no pre order? |
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GROUP BUY! . . . . oh wait, that didn't work out so well the last time Seriously, put me down for one - I need an excuse to build my 6.5 Grendel. Thinking of a Stag lower, NM trigger, FF handguards - oh yeah, baybee! |
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Oh hey! I am thinking the exact same thing. Hot, hot lefty stag upper with a nice scope and bipod in a super long range AR config. I even already have the stag lower. |
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Are we still looking at August availability?
Any chance of a pre-order? Many thanks! |
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Yes, it's very pretty. I may well be able to use one for a project currently entering the lower phase.
Notwithstanding how appropriate this stock seems to be for precision applications, is there any chance of seeing a QD sling swivel adapter for it, instead of the rail? Similarly, will a KAC ambidextrous carbine receiver plate sling mount (P/N 22051) or the KAC 1" stock extension sling mount combo (P/N 98506) work in conjunction with this stock? What is it's minimum and maximum lengths? What is it's weight? How does the weight and length of pull compare to a standard A2 stock? Has it been range or field tested? Will there be a recoil pad? |
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I was able to obtain an somewhat elderly copy of "MSS Handout 3". Contained therein, I note the line drawing for the M95 included a QD sling swivel at the receiver plate which isn't present in the photos posted. Of course, this is the same document that suggests a release date for the stock as mid-late 2003, so take it for what it's worth.
One of the industry partners also points out that the cheek plate appears to be about 3" back from the fore of the stock. Since most folks plant their cheek about 2" back, there might be a bit of a problem with natural positioning. Considerations such as these are in part why I ask about range/field testing. It usually puts to rest any concerns. Well, that along with product technical data. Right now, all caution is being based upon supposition. The M95 might turn out to be one of the finest AR stock on the market (once it's actually released). |
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Now that they have comitted to August anybody know what year?
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Be patient fella's, we want them to work out the best they can the first time. Almost done.
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yeah, how about letting this thread die. oh, please don't accuse me of NOT letting it die.
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STFU. I've got one and it's at Modern Day Marine. The first production shots are coming out of the moulds.
Some frikking Marine and Navy types want to steal it too.....bastards. Simon |
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