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8/12/2017 2:03:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mettee][Edited] [#1]
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Originally Posted By rugerdog:
The class sounds fun. I will work on the wife this weekend. She just let me get a new CRF450r last week so it will be a stretch. The new bike is fast and my right elbow and left knee are currently on strike because of it.

I have a pile of ammo ready and a place to stay in Roundrock if needed. Let me see if I have any capital left with her. Will advise.
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Let me know if you want to team up on this. Maybe we can drive for cheaper. Etc etc.
8/12/2017 4:41:45 PM EDT
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Can anyone recommend a quality shooting mat?
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8/12/2017 4:51:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dHUTCH:
Can anyone recommend a quality shooting mat?
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I was looking at the LT drag bag. Thats because it also holds the rifle. So I dont have to drag a bunch of extra stuff around.
8/12/2017 5:14:48 PM EDT
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Can anyone recommend a quality shooting mat?
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I like my Crosstac shooting mat. Very comfortable for a long day at the range. I have light weight mat from Armageddon Gear to use when shooting positions are more fluid.
8/12/2017 5:16:17 PM EDT
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I have a Voodoo Tactical and Midway, both work well, but I only do square range stuff.

Looks like the Midway is on sale.
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8/12/2017 6:17:36 PM EDT
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I received my new order of H130s and it looks like they've updated the box design.  All specs and MVs are the same.



Brake, brake...

My .260 has a 7.62 brake, and with the thought that Mark doesn't do anything without a reason, when I saw he released the 6.5Gs with a 260 (6.5) brake, I (any you'all) know I had to get one.    I bartered for these, which arrived today.  



It looks like the length is the same, but obviously the opening is smaller, it looks like the baffle section is just a few hundredths smaller and it has a ninth outer thread whereas the 7.62 only has eight threads.  I heated up the 7.62 brake and removed it, then cleaned the muzzle and new brake, rocksetted it and I'll take it out tomorrow knowing it will take my 0.75moa rifle and turn her into a 0.25moa tack driver!   Seriously though, I am going to put some rounds out to see if there's a POI change (including suppressed) and resight it so I can head to Quantico next week with some handloads.







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8/12/2017 6:46:23 PM EDT
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Here's two short videos from last weekend at Quantico's 1,000 yard line.  I had finished up and was waiting for other shooters when a guy started to shoot his M1A.  It was clear and calm and I was capturing the report of the weapon, but also the impact on the berm down range and the return report.

The first is a shooter with a M1A a the top left of the screen and it runs almost a minute.  The second is a centerfire (not sure of caliber) and the M1A.  Both taken with the iPotato.



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8/12/2017 7:50:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Defender3:


I have a Voodoo Tactical and Midway, both work well, but I only do square range stuff.

Looks like the Midway is on sale.
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For the money that is a great option....might have to do that
8/12/2017 7:51:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Defender3:
I received my new order of H130s and it looks like they've updated the box design.  All specs and MVs are the same.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG_5653_JPG-278717.jpg

Brake, brake...

My .260 has a 7.62 brake, and with the thought that Mark doesn't do anything without a reason, when I saw he released the 6.5Gs with a 260 (6.5) brake, I (any you'all) know I had to get one.    I bartered for these, which arrived today.  

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG_5654_JPG-278712.jpg

It looks like the length is the same, but obviously the opening is smaller, it looks like the baffle section is just a few hundredths smaller and it has a ninth outer thread whereas the 7.62 only has eight threads.  I heated up the 7.62 brake and removed it, then cleaned the muzzle and new brake, rocksetted it and I'll take it out tomorrow knowing it will take my 0.75moa rifle and turn her into a 0.25moa tack driver!   Seriously though, I am going to put some rounds out to see if there's a POI change (including suppressed) and resight it so I can head to Quantico next week with some handloads.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG_5655_JPG-278713.jpg

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG_5656_JPG-278714.jpg

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG_5657-1-278732.jpg

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What is the black crizzap on the patch
8/12/2017 8:33:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mettee:


What is the black crizzap on the patch
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Carboned up rocksett.
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8/13/2017 7:08:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Defender3][Edited] [#11]
UPDATES IN RED

Once we get 7 people and details / payment needed, I'll move to PMs.

Here's where we're at:

1.  Accuracy 1st Long Range 2 Class.

2.  3-day course scheduled, M-W, 27-29 November, 2017, at the Austin Gun Club.

3.  Cost will be $1050 for the 3-days, plus any transportation costs, lodging and food.  I'm sure we can double up, share cars, eat only Spam and expired MREs, etc.

4.  Instructor will be Pete Gould, who is Todd's lead instructor.

5.  Course is limited to 7 people, we may be able to go to 8, but for now, it's 7 people.

6.  From the Accuracy 1st site - "Refund & Cancellation Policy: There will be no charge for rescheduling your class to a different date (where available). For cancellations a 10% charge will be incurred, if it is less than 2 weeks prior to class, there will be a 50% charge."  I DO NOT know the policy for a special class, but we can start with their standard policy.

7.  Bring any rifle you're comfortable shooting.  You'll need at least 160rds and maybe more for the 3rd day; I'll update when determined.

8.  I do not have any lodging or local transportation information, yet.

I believe we have the following people committed: UPDATE - MIKE HAD TO DROP DUE TO MILITARY RESPONSIBILITIES, WE NEED 4 MORE PEOPLE.

1.  D3.
2.  dHUTCH.
3.  Mettee.
4.  OPEN
5.  OPEN.
6.  OPEN.
7.  OPEN.
8.  TBD if needed.

Here's the Order of March:

1.  I'll run this through today to see if we can coax a person or two from the thread to commit.  

2.  Then, I'll put it in the TX hometown forum to see if I can get a few more folks.

Let me know your thoughts on dropping the course to 2-days.  Money is always tight and around Christmas can be tough. Maybe a 2-day course will get us the people we need.  Flip side is if that then causes anyone to drop.
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8/13/2017 6:44:18 PM EDT
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You know I'm in regardless of the number of days.

For those of you flying in, D3 and mettee....if you fly into either of the DFW airports, I'm willing to pick you guys up and yal can ride down with me. I have a new model 2500 Silverado that could transport 4 of us comfortably.
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8/13/2017 7:07:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mettee:



For the money that is a great option....might have to do that
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If there are any rocks or gravel on the range or if you have an old body you will really appreciate the padding in the Crosstac Long Range Precision Shooting Mat. The built in bipod rail is a neat addition too.
8/13/2017 7:15:07 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dHUTCH:
You know I'm in regardless of the number of days.

For those of you flying in, D3 and mettee....if you fly into either of the DFW airports, I'm willing to pick you guys up and yal can ride down with me. I have a new model 2500 Silverado that could transport 4 of us comfortably.
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I think that may end up being the plan. We should all bunk in one place/hotel make it easier.

I was thinking I'd avoid flying with the gun but it will be fine.

D3 we might just have to ship out ammo to hutch, hutch you good with that?
8/13/2017 7:20:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mettee:


I think that may end up being the plan. We should all bunk in one place/hotel make it easier.

I was thinking I'd avoid flying with the gun but it will be fine.

D3 we might just have to ship out ammo to hutch, hutch you good with that?
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Can any of your peeps make the trip?
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8/13/2017 8:44:26 PM EDT
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I'm good with being the ammo supply point.
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8/14/2017 12:00:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: mettee][Edited] [#17]
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Originally Posted By Defender3:


Can any of your peeps make the trip?
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Still unconfirmed.

I'd really prefer a three day. Can we nail down a plan for how to handle that
8/14/2017 5:28:39 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By mettee:
Still unconfirmed.

I'd really prefer a three day. Can we nail down a plan for how to handle that
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Originally Posted By Defender3:


Can any of your peeps make the trip?
Still unconfirmed.

I'd really prefer a three day. Can we nail down a plan for how to handle that
I don't have an issue with 3-days, but we're four people short.  The people following this thread who could attend have replied and I would be concerned how we get four more people to commit without dragging this into October.
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8/14/2017 8:27:12 AM EDT
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@Larue_Tactical

Mark, you have any boys or girls, at the mothership, who'd be interested in a 3-day LR course with Accuracy 1st?
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8/14/2017 4:51:23 PM EDT
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Wow, I think I just became the 40,000 view!
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8/14/2017 5:01:31 PM EDT
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It will be a bridge too far for me gentlemen. I have too much going on this year. I will have to live vicariously through D3's AAR.
Have fun and be safe.
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8/14/2017 5:04:22 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By rugerdog:
It will be a bridge too far for me gentlemen. I have too much going on this year. I will have to live vicariously through D3's AAR.
Have fun and be safe.
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Understand, thanks for letting us know!
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8/14/2017 5:56:04 PM EDT
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Finally took the 260 out.  Was only able to go to 100 yard range but got it all zero'd.  Brass ejected consistently to 3:30 (is that good?).  Groups weren't amazing but that's all my fault, it was blowing sideways and I couldn't keep the rifle stable (ignore that bottom group, I had to resecure the target stand midway through).  I don't know anything about pressure signs but here's a picture of the brass.  My buddy with the chrono is out of town so no data yet, plus I wanted to put some rounds through it before I check that MVs anyway.
8/14/2017 6:01:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By rugerdog:
It will be a bridge too far for me gentlemen. I have too much going on this year. I will have to live vicariously through D3's AAR.
Have fun and be safe.
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bummer dood.

Its not looking pretty
8/14/2017 6:04:51 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bfk4lyfe:
http://i.imgur.com/teGMahH.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/yQK5CEY.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/GV95uky.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/rf2Qa4m.jpg

Finally took the 260 out.  Was only able to go to 100 yard range but got it all zero'd.  Brass ejected consistently to 3:30 (is that good?).  Groups weren't amazing but that's all my fault, it was blowing sideways and I couldn't keep the rifle stable (ignore that bottom group, I had to resecure the target stand midway through).  I don't know anything about pressure signs but here's a picture of the brass.  My buddy with the chrono is out of town so no data yet, plus I wanted to put some rounds through it before I check that MVs anyway.
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Nice range report and shooting!

That "flow" on the primer is normal given the firing pin hole size.  So, you're pressure is GTG.
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8/14/2017 6:06:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mettee:
bummer dood.

Its not looking pretty
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Originally Posted By mettee:
Originally Posted By rugerdog:
It will be a bridge too far for me gentlemen. I have too much going on this year. I will have to live vicariously through D3's AAR.
Have fun and be safe.
bummer dood.

Its not looking pretty
I posted in the TX HTF, but if it doesn't get any traction shortly, I'm pulling the plug.  
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8/14/2017 6:11:48 PM EDT
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I posted in the TX HTF, but if it doesn't get any traction shortly, I'm pulling the plug.  
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yeah I agree, we can revisit this in the near future. I would really enjoy the class and also shooting with you guys.
8/14/2017 6:42:12 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bfk4lyfe:
http://i.imgur.com/teGMahH.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/yQK5CEY.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/GV95uky.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/rf2Qa4m.jpg

Finally took the 260 out.  Was only able to go to 100 yard range but got it all zero'd.  Brass ejected consistently to 3:30 (is that good?).  Groups weren't amazing but that's all my fault, it was blowing sideways and I couldn't keep the rifle stable (ignore that bottom group, I had to resecure the target stand midway through).  I don't know anything about pressure signs but here's a picture of the brass.  My buddy with the chrono is out of town so no data yet, plus I wanted to put some rounds through it before I check that MVs anyway.
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All shooting unsuppressed I assume ?  



As for the 1 or 2 o'clock ejection suppressed some of us have been seeing..  is that that big of a deal ?  I am kind of the mind if the rifle is not jamming I kinda don't care where the brass lands.  And I am not reoading so the condition of the brass dose not bother me..  as of now ..
8/14/2017 6:57:36 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bfk4lyfe:
http://i.imgur.com/teGMahH.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/yQK5CEY.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/GV95uky.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/rf2Qa4m.jpg

Finally took the 260 out.  Was only able to go to 100 yard range but got it all zero'd.  Brass ejected consistently to 3:30 (is that good?).  Groups weren't amazing but that's all my fault, it was blowing sideways and I couldn't keep the rifle stable (ignore that bottom group, I had to resecure the target stand midway through).  I don't know anything about pressure signs but here's a picture of the brass.  My buddy with the chrono is out of town so no data yet, plus I wanted to put some rounds through it before I check that MVs anyway.
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Its a fairly new rifle right? Just shoot it for now and watch the brass for heavy marks, and I also look to see how dirty they are. They should eject mostly clean.
8/14/2017 7:08:30 PM EDT
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Yeah, unsupressed.

And yea new rifle, well, new barrel at least.  Just looked over the brass, seems clean more or less.
8/14/2017 7:45:11 PM EDT
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Blasphemy! I want this class to happen!
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8/14/2017 9:43:38 PM EDT
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I can't do a class this year due to family issues.

But I would be in for a three day class in 2018.
I can convert my FDE Heavy to .260
8/14/2017 9:46:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dHUTCH:
Blasphemy! I want this class to happen!
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Me too. Trying to figure out how to make it happen. Not worried about the cost of the class so much, just worried about the cost quickly stacking up once I am paid, and people back out. Then plane tickets and such and I am out that.

ETA: not that I think people will but things come up. And I suppose i could move my reservation to a later date or ask them to slot me with another group IF need be.
8/14/2017 11:41:36 PM EDT
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If I wasn't already doing a KAC-specific class, in Texas, in November, then I'd be down for the LaRue class. If it doesn't happen this go-around, and get scheduled sometime in 2018, then I'd be in.
8/15/2017 11:52:00 AM EDT
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bummer dood.

Its not looking pretty
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I know, Life has got me by the short hairs right now. My twin boys just turned 3 and the wife wants a Hawaii trip for my birthday at the end of Sept. I offered to save us some cash and do the A 1st class instead but she insisted I could afford Hawaii.

I will be doing some long weekend trips up to the Utah range over the next few months though. Hope to have some new data to share.
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8/15/2017 2:06:17 PM EDT
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Well, ordered a 16 oz rifle buffer, buffer tube, spring, and OD green PRS. Hopefully it fixes my ejection problems
8/15/2017 2:15:54 PM EDT
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Holy shitake, a 16oz buffer!
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8/15/2017 2:17:57 PM EDT
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Holy shitake, a 16oz buffer!
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Originally Posted By Joshpuh:
Well, ordered a 16 oz rifle buffer, buffer tube, spring, and OD green PRS. Hopefully it fixes my ejection problems
Holy shitake, a 16oz buffer!
That is a lot of buffer
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8/15/2017 2:47:22 PM EDT
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That seems really heavy...

Is yours the one that is ripping off case rims, and are your cases super dirty or what?
8/15/2017 3:02:20 PM EDT
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That seems really heavy...

Is yours the one that is ripping off case rims, and are your cases super dirty or what?
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It ejects to 1 o clock and is knicking my upper receiver, I also suspect it of loosening the primer pockets from unlocking too soon under pressure. Already have an 8.5 oz carbine buffer and orange sprinco spring and I can feel it slamming to the end of the buffer tube now. Clint at heavy buffers said if 16oz is too much we can remove weights from it. This is the third buffer and spring I've bought for it, I'm tired of spending money to make it do what I want so I'm going big so I can back off if need be.
8/15/2017 3:11:34 PM EDT
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It ejects to 1 o clock and is knicking my upper receiver, I also suspect it of loosening the primer pockets from unlocking too soon under pressure. Already have an 8.5 oz carbine buffer and orange sprinco spring and I can feel it slamming to the end of the buffer tube now. Clint at heavy buffers said if 16oz is too much we can remove weights from it. This is the third buffer and spring I've bought for it, I'm tired of spending money to make it do what I want so I'm going big so I can back off if need be.
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I hear you I am just curious about it. Did you ever try turning the port selector to the other setting? Did that do anything?

Seems like a big overgas issue if you have done all that and no improvement
8/15/2017 3:25:34 PM EDT
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I hear you I am just curious about it. Did you ever try turning the port selector to the other setting? Did that do anything?

Seems like a big overgas issue if you have done all that and no improvement
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I shoot it suppressed and I run on the suppressed setting, I'm sure the can is the problem but I'm not about to shoot without it.
8/15/2017 3:37:34 PM EDT
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I shoot it suppressed and I run on the suppressed setting, I'm sure the can is the problem but I'm not about to shoot without it.
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Got it.

Next time you shoot it try lining up all the gaps in the gas rings, see if that does anything. But change them back when you are done testing
8/15/2017 7:08:51 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By rugerdog:
I know, Life has got me by the short hairs right now. My twin boys just turned 3 and the wife wants a Hawaii trip for my birthday at the end of Sept. I offered to save us some cash and do the A 1st class instead but she insisted I could afford Hawaii.

I will be doing some long weekend trips up to the Utah range over the next few months though. Hope to have some new data to share.
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bummer dood.

Its not looking pretty
I know, Life has got me by the short hairs right now. My twin boys just turned 3 and the wife wants a Hawaii trip for my birthday at the end of Sept. I offered to save us some cash and do the A 1st class instead but she insisted I could afford Hawaii.

I will be doing some long weekend trips up to the Utah range over the next few months though. Hope to have some new data to share.
That does not compute. Who's birthday is it?
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8/15/2017 7:10:54 PM EDT
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That does not compute. Who's birthday is it?
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Clearly, you must be single...
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8/15/2017 7:59:47 PM EDT
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Clearly, you must be single...
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Originally Posted By Defender3:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
That does not compute. Who's birthday is it?
Clearly, you must be single...
Why would she want a trip for his birthday and not hers. I'm not single and I'm with squirell.
8/15/2017 8:20:26 PM EDT
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Clearly, you must be single...
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Originally Posted By Defender3:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
That does not compute. Who's birthday is it?
Clearly, you must be single...
Legally, yes I am single. For all practical purposes I am married. There's no way she'd make me go on a trip for MY birthday that I wouldn't necessarily want to go on or want to go somewhere else.
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8/15/2017 9:17:39 PM EDT
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So....we gonna call this thing?

If so I'm going to start looking at some LR classes here locally.
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8/15/2017 10:15:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bfk4lyfe][Edited] [#49]


I'm surprised the ballistics are so similar in these two rounds (I have an 18" .260 barrel).  Out to 500 they're within .15 or so mils of drop and then the .260 slowly starts to pull away.  The wind drift is basically identical out to 1000.  I'm using 4DOF with a 10mph wind, 260@2550 and 65G@2480.  Estimated numbers from the threads here, I haven't personally chrono'd either yet.
8/15/2017 10:28:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
That does not compute. Who's birthday is it?
Clearly, you must be single...
Ha, yeah so when I was pushing the hard sale for the A 1st class this weekend she told me that she has been planning a Kauai trip for my birthday. I wish to remain gainfully employed so I can only miss so much work. I was attempting to be witty in my post with a passive aggressive statement about my wife planning a trip for my birthday. It does not seem as cool now that I explained it. Thanks
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