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Posted: 10/4/2009 10:49:45 AM EDT
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Guys,
As some of you know, we are under litigation attack by A.R.M.S. (Dick Swan) for using the numerals 1 and 7 in our LT-170 mount part number. He filed for and last spring outrageously got a trademark on "#17" and then he sued us. IIRC, he also trademarked 7.62, 5.56, 50BMG, etc., etc. I'm more than a little perturbed. One of his interrogatories (sic) is what evidence I have of soldiers ever having an A.R.M.S. mount fail on them. Ask and ye shall receive. I know a gent that says that roughly 20% of the A.R.M.S. mounts have to be replaced before he can run the guys in his sniper course. Says they come in flopping in one way or the other, levers loose, roll pins shot, whatever. And these are the ones that are left of the ones that haven't already been replaced. I have replaced numerous busted A.R.M.S. units in the past, and have heard more stories than I can count ... the gist of one story - "busted levers on square ranges crunching under the boots of trainees" ... So, I am officially offering to replace/exchange any in-op/broken A.R.M.S. mounts for the LaRue product that best fits as a replacement. I'll do it even at the unit level. If your team has a bucket full of dead A.R.M.S. mounts of any sort laying around, then put them to good use. I am aware that due to NSN numbers, many are the failed units are likely sh*tcanned and a replacement bought (with taxpayer money). Either way, I don't care how many ... besides, it won't be nothing compared to the attorney bills we are incurring weekly. I do ask that some sort of note be written that says what the problem is, i.e. broken levers, loosened roll pins, stripped-out threads, etc. Let me know about any and all A.R.M.S failures you know about ... even if you threw them away, no worries, please let me know about it here. We may have to spend $100,000 dollars to fend off this attack, and that's money we can't buy equipment with, money we can't hire more folks with, money shot to hell. Any help from you guys will be much appreciated. v/r Mark LaRue |
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God Bless Our Troops ... Especially Our Snipers.
www.LaRue.com ETA - We've done the math. ;-) You learn things while building 100,000+ mounts ... and we include it in every mount going out our door. ML |
Hats off, here's hoping you beat them to hell and back.
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That sucks, I hope it all comes out well for LT. Best of luck.
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Wow! Way to go, Sir! I'm a civilian and I've had an ARMS mount on my previous Eotech 4x FTS magnifier collapse on me. The pins that held the lever that deployed the magnifier fell out while I was shooting, had to glue the mount together and forego the FTS ability. I've since passed it on to a friend of mine who replaced the mount.
BTW, will you be making a new mount for the Eotech G23.FTS 3x magnifier? I'm signing up to purchase one if you are gonna make them. |
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I just finished LFI III with mas and Marty and use the Larue Q D mount for my MeOpta K dot on my M-4. This is so good we could detatch quickly and share the scope.
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how can you trademark 5.56 whats he gonna do sue winchester for selling 5.56 ammo now. what a duchebag
btw you should post this in general. not everyone visits the industry forums. look at how many ppl never knew about the hell freezes over thingy |
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Shame when a business can only exist when it sues competitors. Larue is one of the good ones. At least now I can justify future Larue purchases as donations to the legal defense fund.
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Originally Posted By vermont2nd:
Hats off, here's hoping you beat them to hell and back. +1 |
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Originally Posted By Foundation:
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I have a personally purchased Cantilever Aimpoint mount that stripped a screw and started perceptibly moving back and forth on the rails while on deployment. Does that count?
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Originally Posted By 0612Devil:
I have a personally purchased Cantilever Aimpoint mount that stripped a screw and started perceptibly moving back and forth on the rails while on deployment. Does that count? Yep, that counts. Thanks, ML |
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God Bless Our Troops ... Especially Our Snipers.
www.LaRue.com ETA - We've done the math. ;-) You learn things while building 100,000+ mounts ... and we include it in every mount going out our door. ML |
Damn, Mark––that's a hell of an offer.
Let's hope nobody abuses it |
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"IIRC, he also trademarked 7.62, 5.56, 50BMG, etc., etc."
Swan has some big brass ones. There's no way that would stand up to a challenge. Good on you Mark. |
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so that means that if I trademarked the number 23 I could sue pepsico for using 23 on their dr. pepper products????WTF!!!
that is the most outrageous bunch of BULLSHIT I have ever heard!!! I hope you can counter sue that stupid bastard into oblivion!!!! I'm going to quit typing now before I go into a rant and get thrown out of arfcom.... |
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I ordered a bipod mount from you guys. Hopefully that $80 will help.
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Give 'em Hell, Mark. I've been involved in expensive lawsuits -never want to do again. Best Regards, TDK |
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Mark,
I've not had one fail, but I have some Arms rings now that are so tight I have to use a hammer to move the levers to remove them. Strange since I have another pair that fit and function just right on the same mount. I can just see the levers failing at some point as I hammer them on and off. Duane |
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Mark, I hope you put ARMS out of business!! I damn near lost part of a finger from one of his shitty pot metal mounts. I'll see if I can look for the pics again of the bloody mount and finger but don't know if I have them anymore.
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How can he trademark 50 BMG when the "B" stands for Browning?
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"The most terrifying words in the English langauge are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
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Rather than spend his money making better products that are as good as/better than LaRue, that Dick just wants to force ML to waste money and maybe go out of business. There's no way he actually believes that this will stand up. He better start suing about 847,628,482,737,849 other companies because they all use those numbers too.
By the way, before I forget 17 |
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"Go take a long walk on a short pier"----my dad
"Strive for perfection and you will easily surpass excellence"----my dad ".............."---Harpo Marx |
Originally Posted By KM223:
Mark, I hope you put ARMS out of business!! I damn near lost part of a finger from one of his shitty pot metal mounts. I'll see if I can look for the pics again of the bloody mount and finger but don't know if I have them anymore. This. I need a pic of that finger. Damn, try concentrating on a firefight with half your finger peeled off, while trying to hold a flopping soft-mount on. ML |
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God Bless Our Troops ... Especially Our Snipers.
www.LaRue.com ETA - We've done the math. ;-) You learn things while building 100,000+ mounts ... and we include it in every mount going out our door. ML |
WOW.
I have an A.R.M.S ACOG mount(#19?) that got so loose to the point I had to stop using it. Never even really abused it, just got some range use. I also had a set of #22 rings that both of em stripped the holes where the rings connected. |
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Originally Posted By 545Fan:
Mark, I've not had one fail, but I have some Arms rings now that are so tight I have to use a hammer to move the levers to remove them. Strange since I have another pair that fit and function just right on the same mount. I can just see the levers failing at some point as I hammer them on and off. Duane It is mechanically likely that the tight ones are the ones that bust off ... that's not counting busted levers due to impacts / drops tests on the loose ones. |
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God Bless Our Troops ... Especially Our Snipers.
www.LaRue.com ETA - We've done the math. ;-) You learn things while building 100,000+ mounts ... and we include it in every mount going out our door. ML |
Originally Posted By AKIA_AZ:
WOW. I have an A.R.M.S ACOG mount(#19?) that got so loose to the point I had to stop using it. Never even really abused it, just got some range use. I also had a set of #22 rings that both of em stripped the holes where the rings connected. Let's trade. ML |
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God Bless Our Troops ... Especially Our Snipers.
www.LaRue.com ETA - We've done the math. ;-) You learn things while building 100,000+ mounts ... and we include it in every mount going out our door. ML |
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Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By AKIA_AZ:
WOW. I have an A.R.M.S ACOG mount(#19?) that got so loose to the point I had to stop using it. Never even really abused it, just got some range use. I also had a set of #22 rings that both of em stripped the holes where the rings connected. Let's trade. ML I wish I could, however I already bought LaRue mounts for the ACOG over 3 years ago and both of the ARMS mounts were used as targets. But thank you for the offer. |
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Mark,
Am I reading this correctly, that you'll trade a LaRue mount for a POS ARMS mount? I have an ARMS Aimpoint mount with a spacer that won't hold zero at all. 1" inch POI shifts at 50 yard zero on a regular basis. I don't even take it off that often and everything is tight. |
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Give em hell mark!
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When the rich go to war the poor are the ones who die.
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Originally Posted By Alpinmann:
Mark, Am I reading this correctly, that you'll trade a LaRue mount for a POS ARMS mount? I have an ARMS Aimpoint mount with a spacer that won't hold zero at all. 1" inch POI shifts at 50 yard zero on a regular basis. I don't even take it off that often and everything is tight. Yep, if you include a note of your mechanical reasons for wanting to rid yourself of it. ML |
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God Bless Our Troops ... Especially Our Snipers.
www.LaRue.com ETA - We've done the math. ;-) You learn things while building 100,000+ mounts ... and we include it in every mount going out our door. ML |
F*** dick swan and a.r.m.s
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Originally Posted By docmcb:
F*** dick swan and a.r.m.s Well, lucky for us, he hasn't trademarked "opinion" yet. |
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God Bless Our Troops ... Especially Our Snipers.
www.LaRue.com ETA - We've done the math. ;-) You learn things while building 100,000+ mounts ... and we include it in every mount going out our door. ML |
i have a set of arms rings that wont holdzeroon my m1a or my ar sprclone. . and the mounts wont all ways lockonthe rail.
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somebody should trademark his name.
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Originally Posted By chestnut101:
i have a set of arms rings that wont holdzeroon my m1a or my ar sprclone. . and the mounts wont all ways lockonthe rail. Write it up, and send them in ... don't forget an addy. ML |
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God Bless Our Troops ... Especially Our Snipers.
www.LaRue.com ETA - We've done the math. ;-) You learn things while building 100,000+ mounts ... and we include it in every mount going out our door. ML |
thanks ,they will go out by wednesday.
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Email sent
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Use of live ammunition is now authorized
TN, USA
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Does this include BUIS'? My ARMS 40L fell onto carpet after I leaned it on my couch with the sight deployed and it bent one of the aperture ears. It eventually broke off after I bent it back.
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May God help us all in the years to come. Thats if we run out of ammo first.
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I saw an ARMS scope mount break at a 3-gun match this year...
Shooter had the rifle sitting on a table. Rifle got knocked off the table, fell all of 3 feet onto gravel. The scope was no longer attached. ARMS mount had sheared off. |
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Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
"Surely there is someone out there for you right here in America. Have you checked the morgue?" |
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By Alpinmann:
Mark, Am I reading this correctly, that you'll trade a LaRue mount for a POS ARMS mount? I have an ARMS Aimpoint mount with a spacer that won't hold zero at all. 1" inch POI shifts at 50 yard zero on a regular basis. I don't even take it off that often and everything is tight. Yep, if you include a note of your mechanical reasons for wanting to rid yourself of it. ML I'll do you one better, I just ordered a LaRue M68 mount and I'll mail you the ARMS for evidence Keep up the good fight! |
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Mark do i send this to attention you or austin?
thanks ken |
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Originally Posted By TempExp:
I saw an ARMS scope mount break at a 3-gun match this year... Shooter had the rifle sitting on a table. Rifle got knocked off the table, fell all of 3 feet onto gravel. The scope was no longer attached. ARMS mount had sheared off. Yes, this stuff will help me fight him. ML |
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God Bless Our Troops ... Especially Our Snipers.
www.LaRue.com ETA - We've done the math. ;-) You learn things while building 100,000+ mounts ... and we include it in every mount going out our door. ML |
Originally Posted By LoganSackett:
Rather than spend his money making better products that are as good as/better than LaRue, that Dick just wants to force ML to waste money and maybe go out of business. There's no way he actually believes that this will stand up. He better start suing about 847,628,482,737,849 other companies because they all use those numbers too. By the way, before I forget 17 Yup, it's been ascertained that he didn't invent the throwlever ... it's use is documented for boresighting artillery pieces for decades... ... matter of fact, can't find but one true invention of his - he did invent "The Ring Of Fire" . |
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God Bless Our Troops ... Especially Our Snipers.
www.LaRue.com ETA - We've done the math. ;-) You learn things while building 100,000+ mounts ... and we include it in every mount going out our door. ML |
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By LoganSackett:
Rather than spend his money making better products that are as good as/better than LaRue, that Dick just wants to force ML to waste money and maybe go out of business. There's no way he actually believes that this will stand up. He better start suing about 847,628,482,737,849 other companies because they all use those numbers too. Yup, it's been ascertained that he didn't invent the throwlever ... it's use is documented for boresighting artillery pieces for decades... ... matter of fact, can't find but one true invention of his - it appears he did invent "The Ring Of Fire" . |
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Give-em Hell Mark! People like this usually get what they have comming! If all of ARf.com stops buying their products that should help a little! I have never purchased any of their products, but I have purchased some of yours and I know quality when I see it! Keep up the good work. And best of luck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think the Team will be behind you!
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That's just low. What a stupid lawsuit. I hope you do put him out of business.
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I think you'd have a hard time suing Pepsi for something they don't make. You could try Dr. Pepper/Seven Up, Inc., or maybe Glock for the Model 23.
Originally Posted By hotrod_sxty8: so that means that if I trademarked the number 23 I could sue pepsico for using 23 on their dr. pepper products????WTF!!! LaRue, Good luck with this. Sorry I can't be of any help, don't own, and never will own a single ARMS product. |
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I'm from Texas, what country are you from?
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Originally Posted By JoshAston:
I think you'd have a hard time suing Pepsi for something they don't make. You could try Dr. Pepper/Seven Up, Inc., or maybe Glock for the Model 23. Originally Posted By hotrod_sxty8:
so that means that if I trademarked the number 23 I could sue pepsico for using 23 on their dr. pepper products????WTF!!! LaRue,
Good luck with this. Sorry I can't be of any help, don't own, and never will own a single ARMS product.
Hmm, He pretty much claims that every number between 2 and 63 are trademarked. Which probably means he is waiting on the Trademark to come back as registered #02 TM #05 TM #06 Tm #07 TM #10 Tm #11 TM #12 TM #15 Tm #16a TM #16t TM #18 TM #19 TM #20 TM #21 TM #22 TM #22 TRC TM #22 TRR TM #22 TRS TM #22-34mm TM #22M68 Tm #22TX30 TM #31 TM #32 TM #35 TM #36 TM #37 TM #38 TM #39 TM #40 Tm #40L_C TM #41 Tm #50 TM #51 TM #54 Tm #58 TM #59 Tm #63 Tm |
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http://www.pbase.com/dclark
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And I found 4 other trademarks for the number 17 :
Doing a tradmark search : Word Mark 17 Serial 78573199 Owner Sam Houston Hotel Restaurant 2 Filing Date February 23, 2005 Word Mark 17 Serial Number 76975154 Filing Date March 27, 2001 Owner PRIMEDIA Magazine Finance Inc Word Mark 17 , NUM-17 The number 17 or the word Seventeen Serial Number 75983627 Filing Date March 1, 2000 Owner ROUSH FENWAY RACING Word Mark 17 Serial Number 75497827 Filing Date June 8, 1998 Owner Emerson Electric Co |
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http://www.pbase.com/dclark
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Can't help you with evidence - I bought LaRue the first time around But I will be making more purchases from you. Fight the good fight.
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"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." -- The Dalai Lama
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Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By LoganSackett:
Rather than spend his money making better products that are as good as/better than LaRue, that Dick just wants to force ML to waste money and maybe go out of business. There's no way he actually believes that this will stand up. He better start suing about 847,628,482,737,849 other companies because they all use those numbers too. By the way, before I forget 17 Yup, it's been ascertained that he didn't invent the throwlever ... it's use is documented for boresighting artillery pieces for decades... ... matter of fact, can't find but one true invention of his - he did invent "The Ring Of Fire" . Wasn't that Johnny Cash? |
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That rug really tied the room together.
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Holy **** - what a load of fertilizer!
Good luck on this legal stuff. Good lawyers are expensive - though not as expensive as a crappy lawyers. |
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