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Posted: 7/19/2008 2:22:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/19/2008 6:56:44 PM EDT by HMHAMMER]
I ahve been in three different gun shops in the past two days, besides Denny's.. and I am hearing from all three.. (UNSOLICITED AS I DOT SPREAD RUMORES) the reason I am asking this is because I have heard it and wanted to find out f you guys heard it too..

if you heard it you will know what i am talking about..



AND IF YOU HEARD IT DONT POST IT HERE!!!! PM ME SO WE CAN COMPARE NOTES...
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 3:27:56 PM EDT
Spill what you heard. I'm sure we can help verifying it for you.
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 3:59:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By akginmaster:
Spill what you heard. I'm sure we can help verifying it for you.


Nope.. wont say anything until i hear for sure from Denny or someone from his shop. I do not want to move this rumor along any further... Once i get answers, and permission, I will let you guys know...


I buy from him and dont wanna piss him off at me if what I heard turns out to be a bunch of busy bodies...

Link Posted: 7/19/2008 4:51:19 PM EDT
Uh...is this another 'Don't Say Anything Unless You're A Cool Kid' thread?

I haven't been in a shop for a few days...heck month or two actually, but I have a friend that frequents them, and knows several owners and gunsmiths in the area. If there's something afoot, he would have mentioned it to me. So....I guess this is a tag for THE END OF THE 2nd A! or whatever.
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 5:02:12 PM EDT
Well, is it a good rumor or a bad rumor? I at least need to know whether to be exuberant or worried. Come on now....
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 5:03:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/19/2008 5:04:38 PM EDT by PolyTechKID]
so if you're not going to tell anyone about your little rumor unless you get confirmation why the hell would you post about it on an open forum?

Link Posted: 7/19/2008 5:03:32 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 5:08:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ARinKCMO:
Uh...is this another 'Don't Say Anything Unless You're A Cool Kid' thread?

I haven't been in a shop for a few days...heck month or two actually, but I have a friend that frequents them, and knows several owners and gunsmiths in the area. If there's something afoot, he would
have mentioned it to me. So....I guess this is a tag for THE END OF THE 2nd A! or whatever.


Nope.. not even he cool kids get to hear about it.

I dont want to propagate this *story* until i know some details. I have asked Denny's to respond and let me know if there is any substance to what was said..

I am just thinking that at this point that there is some scuttlebutt amongst several of the shops... I hope this is the case.
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 5:08:29 PM EDT
Hell with waiting for this....UFC starting on Spike. Anderson Silva up a weight class!

~Ed
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 5:09:44 PM EDT
what i heard was bad.... that is all i am saying at this point.
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 5:10:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PolyTechKID:
so if you're not going to tell anyone about your little rumor unless you get confirmation why the hell would you post about it on an open forum?

failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/camerafail.jpg

Because I was wanting to see if anyone else heard it too... and if so... you would know what I was talking about.

That is all.
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 5:11:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Chris_1522:
Whatever it is, it's not true.



I am thinking the same thing...

But three stores said this...

One in Olathe, Two in North Kansas City...

(and no neither ones in NKC are Denny's)

Link Posted: 7/19/2008 5:21:31 PM EDT
Denny's is run by stand up guys if this "rumor" is bad then I'm sure it isn't true
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 5:29:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By drunkintoaster:
Denny's is run by stand up guys if this "rumor" is bad then I'm sure it isn't true


its not about HIM or how he runs his business.. I agree great guy! This isnt a rant, I was wanting to see if any one else may have heard what I heard.. if you did then you would have known. THis definatly went a route I didnt want it to. I should hae known everyone would have been thinking the worst... not trying to start or propagate a rumor, just trying to see if anyone else had heard. I am sending a message to eric to have him lock this, until I get feed back from Denny, I shot him a couople of messages and am awaiting his response, I sent him a link to this thread as well.

Link Posted: 7/19/2008 5:31:49 PM EDT
LOL..dude!! then stop propogating it! <Smack>

~Ed

<ed passes HMHAMMER a whole handful of his trusty vicodin.....chill bro...all is well now>
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 5:37:58 PM EDT
Ain't locked yet. Damn hammer, dangle some bait in our faces why don't you?!!!
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 5:38:13 PM EDT
what a tool.
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 5:39:41 PM EDT
I am a gossip monger and I ain't heard shit.
Lemme know so I can blab to everyone else!
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 5:53:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/19/2008 6:06:29 PM EDT by HMHAMMER]

Originally Posted By missouriatc:
what a tool.


Man I have been waiting a while for you to show back up. Hit me up on PM, I have a bone to pick...




Pshtt... tool...


ETA: Ohh yeah, you heard about my porn name huh? Miles O'tool ?

Yeah, okay so it was NOT SO funny...
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 5:55:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By edipus:
LOL..dude!! then stop propogating it! <Smack>

~Ed

<ed passes HMHAMMER a whole handful of his trusty vicodin.....chill bro...all is well now>


LOL.. pass some Jack with that vicodin...

Link Posted: 7/19/2008 6:29:55 PM EDT
Dude, quit being so dramatic and bumping your post count. This is like a chick showing the pie but not giving any up.
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 6:35:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ABN-RGR:
Dude, quit being so dramatic and bumping your post count. This is like a chick showing the pie but not giving any up.


+1
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 6:40:35 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 6:46:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By drunkintoaster:

Originally Posted By ABN-RGR:
Dude, quit being so dramatic and bumping your post count. This is like a chick showing the pie but not giving any up.


+1



And you say I am bumping my Post count? I am just trying to do Damage Control on this little shit fest I started... (Not the way I intended it to go...

I was only hoping someone would have heard the same thing so we could compare notes... Shit.. lesson learned.. STFU for me next time... damn.....
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 6:51:38 PM EDT
Well how do we know if we can compare notes if we don't know what you heard? We might have heard it, but don't know unless you tell us what it is.....
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 6:52:04 PM EDT
FIne FIne... you konw what, I sent him a link.. F-it.. here is what was said...

Three stores .. two in NKC and one in Olathe all said that they heard through the grape vine that Dennys got hit on a ATF audit and that they were given a date that they will be shut down.. actually one of the ones up on North Oak (actually not in NKC but in Gladstone) said that he had heard that Dennys was shut down all together. Of course I had just came from there, and the guys were all chipper as usual.

What makes me nervous is that all three of these shops said this, in unsolicited forums... the first was directly to me.. I asked for some AK mags, he said he didnt have htem, I said, ohh, weill I better haul ass to Dennys, he said "aint going to do you any good, they are closed, ATF shut em down" I said, well i just left there, so if the ATF did shut them down then they reopened...

Second shop looking for ammo, over heard the gun clerk and a customer talking about Dennys getting hit in an audit and they were pulling his FFL... (hearsay)

Third was this morning, dropping off a gun to repair, asked where I got the muzzle break on my Gun, I said Dennys they said .. you heard about what happened there right? ATF got him.. pulling his FFL... I said, BS, i was there yesterday...

I just wanted to see if you guys may have heard the same thing....

I am hoping that it isnt true.. because that would be a travesty. Dennys is a great shop and it sucks if this is indeed true.

There.. now you guys can all sleep better...
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 6:57:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HMHAMMER:
FIne FIne... you konw what, I sent him a link.. F-it.. here is what was said...

Three stores .. two in NKC and one in Olathe all said that they heard through the grape vine that Dennys got hit on a ATF audit and that they were given a date that they will be shut down.. actually one of the ones up on North Oak (actually not in NKC but in Gladstone) said that he had heard that Dennys was shut down all together. Of course I had just came from there, and the guys were all chipper as usual.

What makes me nervous is that all three of these shops said this, in unsolicited forums... the first was directly to me.. I asked for some AK mags, he said he didnt have htem, I said, ohh, weill I better haul ass to Dennys, he said "aint going to do you any good, they are closed, ATF shut em down" I said, well i just left there, so if the ATF did shut them down then they reopened...

Second shop looking for ammo, over heard the gun clerk and a customer talking about Dennys getting hit in an audit and they were pulling his FFL... (hearsay)

Third was this morning, dropping off a gun to repair, asked where I got the muzzle break on my Gun, I said Dennys they said .. you heard about what happened there right? ATF got him.. pulling his FFL... I said, BS, i was there yesterday...

I just wanted to see if you guys may have heard the same thing....

I am hoping that it isnt true.. because that would be a travesty. Dennys is a great shop and it sucks if this is indeed true.

There.. now you guys can all sleep better...


now was that so hard


I don't seem to think it is true because I was there today and everybody working there were laughing and having a good time I heard NOTHING about BATFE schinanagins(sp?)
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 6:59:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By drunkintoaster:

Originally Posted By HMHAMMER:
FIne FIne... you konw what, I sent him a link.. F-it.. here is what was said...

Three stores .. two in NKC and one in Olathe all said that they heard through the grape vine that Dennys got hit on a ATF audit and that they were given a date that they will be shut down.. actually one of the ones up on North Oak (actually not in NKC but in Gladstone) said that he had heard that Dennys was shut down all together. Of course I had just came from there, and the guys were all chipper as usual.

What makes me nervous is that all three of these shops said this, in unsolicited forums... the first was directly to me.. I asked for some AK mags, he said he didnt have htem, I said, ohh, weill I better haul ass to Dennys, he said "aint going to do you any good, they are closed, ATF shut em down" I said, well i just left there, so if the ATF did shut them down then they reopened...

Second shop looking for ammo, over heard the gun clerk and a customer talking about Dennys getting hit in an audit and they were pulling his FFL... (hearsay)

Third was this morning, dropping off a gun to repair, asked where I got the muzzle break on my Gun, I said Dennys they said .. you heard about what happened there right? ATF got him.. pulling his FFL... I said, BS, i was there yesterday...

I just wanted to see if you guys may have heard the same thing....

I am hoping that it isnt true.. because that would be a travesty. Dennys is a great shop and it sucks if this is indeed true.

There.. now you guys can all sleep better...


now was that so hard


I don't seem to think it is true because I was there today and everybody working there were laughing and having a good time I heard NOTHING about BATFE schinanagins(sp?)


My thoughts exactly.. but I dont particularly like to aire this shit out, as I am not keen on adding to the rumor mill but you fellas just wont relent!!! This is why they call it the "Show me" state huh?

Link Posted: 7/19/2008 7:02:03 PM EDT
i heard a rumbling about this several weeks ago from a rather informed source, hope it is not true good shop, probally wont effect denny but the guy that runs the retail store
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 7:04:26 PM EDT
Is it possible the ATF thing would be happening to Denny's online store/GTS, rather than the brick and mortar Denny's?
They are ran separately so I could see there being some confusion in it.
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 7:07:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BaNo:
Is it possible the ATF thing would be happening to Denny's online store/GTS, rather than the brick and mortar Denny's?
They are ran separately so I could see there being some confusion in it.


I'm wondering this to
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 7:08:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BaNo:
Is it possible the ATF thing would be happening to Denny's online store/GTS, rather than the brick and mortar Denny's?
They are ran separately so I could see there being some confusion in it.


Two of the three said they heard it effected both sides of the biz.

I am glad it wasnt only me on this board that heard this. Its BS... the gestapo going after our guns again.. if they wipe out the dealers then we cant get guns any more!!!!
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 7:11:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/19/2008 7:12:51 PM EDT by Jerad]
I was at Denney's a few days ago, just after this happened and this is what I was told by one of their employees (Old White haired guy with a beard who's always there and grumpy).

Denny's guns NOT DENNY/ GLOBAL TACTICAL SYSTEMS is getting their license pulled, he told me that the shop won't close it's just going to have to sell its murchandise to a new owner/FFL holder. AGAIN GLOBAL TACTICAL SYSTEMS (GTS) IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE. The guy that owns Denny's Guns just rents the building from Denny of GTS and he had or is having his license revoked. Unless somethings changed the employee I spoke to said they have 60 (or 90?) days to shut the shop down or transfer it to a new FFL holder/owner.

This is only what I was told, nothing more, nothing less...

Jerad
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 7:20:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Jerad:
I was at Denney's a few days ago, just after this happened and this is what I was told by one of their employees (Old White haired guy with a beard who's always there and grumpy).

Denny's guns NOT DENNY/ GLOBAL TACTICAL SYSTEMS is getting their license pulled, he told me that the shop won't close it's just going to have to sell its murchandise to a new owner/FFL holder. AGAIN GLOBAL TACTICAL SYSTEMS (GTS) IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE. The guy that owns Denny's Guns just rents the building from Denny of GTS and he had or is having his license revoked. Unless somethings changed the employee I spoke to said they have 60 (or 90?) days to shut the shop down or transfer it to a new FFL holder/owner.

This is only what I was told, nothing more, nothing less...

Jerad


couldn't they just transfer the guns to GTS and we still have a gunstore that we all seem to like?
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 7:22:43 PM EDT
Must be all those buyers who wrote "MO" instead of "Missouri" and "Y" instead of "Yes" on their 4473s.

Sigh... I'm really not looking forward to the day we get audited.
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 7:24:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Jerad:
I was at Denney's a few days ago, just after this happened and this is what I was told by one of their employees (Old White haired guy with a beard who's always there and grumpy).

Denny's guns NOT DENNY/ GLOBAL TACTICAL SYSTEMS is getting their license pulled, he told me that the shop won't close it's just going to have to sell its murchandise to a new owner/FFL holder. AGAIN GLOBAL TACTICAL SYSTEMS (GTS) IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE. The guy that owns Denny's Guns just rents the building from Denny of GTS and he had or is having his license revoked. Unless somethings changed the employee I spoke to said they have 60 (or 90?) days to shut the shop down or transfer it to a new FFL holder/owner.

This is only what I was told, nothing more, nothing less...

Jerad


THanks Jerad, it is good to hear someone that got it from the source so to speak. It got caught up in the rumor mill and was twisted around to say GTS was going down with them. Very nice to know....

Link Posted: 7/19/2008 8:24:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/19/2008 8:25:29 PM EDT by Jerad]

Originally Posted By drunkintoaster:

Originally Posted By Jerad:
I was at Denney's a few days ago, just after this happened and this is what I was told by one of their employees (Old White haired guy with a beard who's always there and grumpy).

Denny's guns NOT DENNY/ GLOBAL TACTICAL SYSTEMS is getting their license pulled, he told me that the shop won't close it's just going to have to sell its murchandise to a new owner/FFL holder. AGAIN GLOBAL TACTICAL SYSTEMS (GTS) IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE. The guy that owns Denny's Guns just rents the building from Denny of GTS and he had or is having his license revoked. Unless somethings changed the employee I spoke to said they have 60 (or 90?) days to shut the shop down or transfer it to a new FFL holder/owner.

This is only what I was told, nothing more, nothing less...

Jerad


couldn't they just transfer the guns to GTS and we still have a gunstore that we all seem to like?


Denny is so busy running GTS that he can hardly find time to check his blood sugar. I can only imagin he isn't interested in running Denny's guns I'll bet that's why he sold the name and shop so many years ago. However, I could very well eat crow who knows



Originally Posted By HMHAMMER:

THanks Jerad, it is good to hear someone that got it from the source so to speak. It got caught up in the rumor mill and was twisted around to say GTS was going down with them. Very nice to know....



No Problem Shipmate
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 8:42:44 PM EDT
Sounds like Chuck is in trouble! Denny sold the retail store to him YEARS ago, around the time they moved to the current location. As to the comment that both businesses are in trouble..........B.S.

Denny/GTS will come through this without a problem!
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 9:39:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HMHAMMER:
FIne FIne... you konw what, I sent him a link.. F-it.. here is what was said...

Three stores .. two in NKC and one in Olathe all said that they heard through the grape vine that Dennys got hit on a ATF audit and that they were given a date that they will be shut down.. actually one of the ones up on North Oak (actually not in NKC but in Gladstone) said that he had heard that Dennys was shut down all together. Of course I had just came from there, and the guys were all chipper as usual.

What makes me nervous is that all three of these shops said this, in unsolicited forums... the first was directly to me.. I asked for some AK mags, he said he didnt have htem, I said, ohh, weill I better haul ass to Dennys, he said "aint going to do you any good, they are closed, ATF shut em down" I said, well i just left there, so if the ATF did shut them down then they reopened...

Second shop looking for ammo, over heard the gun clerk and a customer talking about Dennys getting hit in an audit and they were pulling his FFL... (hearsay)

Third was this morning, dropping off a gun to repair, asked where I got the muzzle break on my Gun, I said Dennys they said .. you heard about what happened there right? ATF got him.. pulling his FFL... I said, BS, i was there yesterday...

I just wanted to see if you guys may have heard the same thing....

I am hoping that it isnt true.. because that would be a travesty. Dennys is a great shop and it sucks if this is indeed true.

There.. now you guys can all sleep better...


Duke had it right. I am a FFL and if you dont dot every I and cross every T, big brother will try and shut you down. I am sure they were doing a legit biz and it will all blow over.
Thanks for clarifying the situation. I hate to hear this shit, but it does happen.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 12:33:28 AM EDT
tag.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 4:53:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By -Duke-Nukem-:
Must be all those buyers who wrote "MO" instead of "Missouri" and "Y" instead of "Yes" on their 4473s.

Sigh... I'm really not looking forward to the day we get audited.


Heh...Probably...I never abbreviate on the 4473's...
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 5:53:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/20/2008 6:02:43 AM EDT by eric10mm]
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 7:14:27 AM EDT
Damn..

Chuck is awesome..

Link Posted: 7/20/2008 8:35:17 AM EDT
I quit going to Denny's because of high prices and poor attitude. I guess that's why I just use the internet or FTF to get my guns.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 3:15:53 PM EDT
Not a Denny's fan myself. But seeing how much of a mess that place usually is I'd be surprised if their paperwork was in much better order :/ I take my business elsewhere after giving them a few tries.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 4:04:22 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 4:04:35 PM EDT
Confirmed! It's the retail shop owned by Chuck. This has NOTHING to do with Denny's Gun/GTS. BATFE has revoked the FFL for the retail shop.

PursuitSS
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 4:24:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HMHAMMER:

Originally Posted By missouriatc:
what a tool.


Man I have been waiting a while for you to show back up. Hit me up on PM, I have a bone to pick...




Pshtt... tool...


ETA: Ohh yeah, you heard about my porn name huh? Miles O'tool ?

Yeah, okay so it was NOT SO funny...


Don't know about that. Heard the girls on the street corner laughing all the way across the state back here in St. Louey. just joking dude..
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 4:52:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Max-Paul:

Originally Posted By HMHAMMER:

Originally Posted By missouriatc:
what a tool.


Man I have been waiting a while for you to show back up. Hit me up on PM, I have a bone to pick...




Pshtt... tool...


ETA: Ohh yeah, you heard about my porn name huh? Miles O'tool ?

Yeah, okay so it was NOT SO funny...


Don't know about that. Heard the girls on the street corner laughing all the way across the state back here in St. Louey. just joking dude..


Yep.. laughing with excitement because they were so excited about all of the great pleasure that "The Tool" gave em! Okay.. so not so much..
Link Posted: 7/21/2008 4:54:21 AM EDT
I should read more before I PM the OP
Link Posted: 7/21/2008 1:18:58 PM EDT
Hopefully the new FFL will fire the resident 'gunsmith'.

Not a fan of the formerly run by chuck retail denny's. They screwed me out of some money spent on destructively poor gunsmithing, and my desire to ever own another 1911.
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