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Posted: 7/1/2010 4:37:21 AM EST
Can we start a list?
Link Posted: 7/1/2010 5:10:37 AM EST
Otsego.
Link Posted: 7/1/2010 5:16:53 AM EST
Catt
Link Posted: 7/1/2010 5:25:19 AM EST
Monroe county does...but its best if you live in the suburbs...rochester city residents apply to the RPD and a different judge who sometimes issues restricted but that's just what I've heard.

But monroe is great for full carry.

Let's work to destroy the counties who don't issue full carry in court soon.
Link Posted: 7/1/2010 5:29:25 AM EST
Ulster
Sullivan
Link Posted: 7/1/2010 6:06:52 AM EST
Ulster is no longer a guaranteed full carry. It is my understanding that Judge Williams (the gun friendly judge we just elected ) is issuing restricted unless you can prove a need for full carry.
Link Posted: 7/1/2010 6:22:54 AM EST
Originally Posted By DaveM4P99:
Monroe county does...but its best if you live in the suburbs...rochester city residents apply to the RPD and a different judge who sometimes issues restricted but that's just what I've heard.

But monroe is great for full carry.

Let's work to destroy the counties who don't issue full carry in court soon.


Totally agree on that. Living in Westchester, it infuriates me to think that other states will issue non-res licenses to carry and my own county restricts me. I just recently got my non-res Florida permit. Westchester are now going to have to give me a very good reason why my license isn't full carry. Apparently it is the county police that stamp the restriction across the front of the permits in Westchester after the judge has signed off.

Link Posted: 7/1/2010 6:27:12 AM EST
Rensellaer, Dutchess and I beleive Columbia.
Link Posted: 7/1/2010 6:40:36 AM EST
Schuyler.

Link Posted: 7/1/2010 6:42:55 AM EST
Originally Posted By Mozart1075:
Ulster is no longer a guaranteed full carry. It is my understanding that Judge Williams (the gun friendly judge we just elected ) is issuing restricted unless you can prove a need for full carry.


That is not good news
Link Posted: 7/1/2010 7:13:20 AM EST
Steuben
Link Posted: 7/1/2010 7:56:08 AM EST
madison grants full carry right off the bat......if you request it and write a letter to the judge explaining why
you "need" it....otherwise you get a restricted one

best not to put "self defense" though in your letter to the judge

the clerk can be vey helpful in this process
she can give you some pointers, if you ask nicely

Link Posted: 7/1/2010 8:38:53 AM EST
Wayne County
Link Posted: 7/1/2010 9:51:04 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/1/2010 9:51:41 AM EST by sititunga]
Originally Posted By yourang:
the clerk can be vey helpful in this process
she can give you some pointers, if you ask nicely



Like what?
Link Posted: 7/1/2010 11:00:21 AM EST
Livingston
Link Posted: 7/1/2010 12:35:54 PM EST
Putnam
Link Posted: 7/1/2010 12:48:38 PM EST
last I knew Chautauqua
but it's been years since I got mine and haven't spoken to anyone that indicated they recently got one there
Link Posted: 7/1/2010 3:00:27 PM EST
Dutchess


and of course, Bronx Co.
Link Posted: 7/1/2010 6:15:41 PM EST
Wyoming


Wayne


Livingstong
Link Posted: 7/1/2010 6:17:53 PM EST

Originally Posted By nyrkba:
Rensellaer, Dutchess and I beleive Columbia.

Really?
Link Posted: 7/1/2010 6:20:14 PM EST
Cortland

Link Posted: 7/1/2010 6:58:15 PM EST
Link Posted: 7/1/2010 7:06:25 PM EST
Originally Posted By brofro:
Cortland



I thought the judges in Cortland were almost as bad as those in Tompkins. Glad to see they've eased up.
Link Posted: 7/1/2010 7:24:56 PM EST
Has anyone written any sort of letter and then been approved? What sort of reasons would you give?
Link Posted: 7/2/2010 3:17:13 AM EST
i said:

the clerk can be very helpful in this process
she can give you some pointers, if you ask nicely

sititunga asked:

like what?

i say:

like not putting self defense down on the letter to the judge
like saying you hike, backpack and fish a lot and have seen rabid animals

each judge is different in each county and each clerk, i am sure, will give
you some good pointers for when you write the letter

it worked for me....i got unrestricted when i first applied for the permit
it worked for my wife.....she got unrestricted too....right off the bat too

i often see the judge that signs our amendments out and about town
i always go over to say hi and thank him for signing our amendments
he always gives me a big smile and a warm handshake

Link Posted: 7/2/2010 4:19:08 AM EST

Originally Posted By yourang:

like not putting self defense down on the letter to the judge
like saying you hike, backpack and fish a lot and have seen rabid animals

each judge is different in each county and each clerk, i am sure, will give
you some good pointers for when you write the letter

it worked for me....i got unrestricted when i first applied for the permit
it worked for my wife.....she got unrestricted too....right off the bat too

i often see the judge that signs our amendments out and about town
i always go over to say hi and thank him for signing our amendments
he always gives me a big smile and a warm handshake


A pistol license is issued for cause. I have no idea what this judges thought process is but in some counties those reasons might get you a license restricted to camping, hiking & fishing etc. In other counties they would just tell you to pound sand for any other reason than target/hunting.

Link Posted: 7/2/2010 5:08:18 AM EST
Originally Posted By yourang:
i said:

the clerk can be very helpful in this process
she can give you some pointers, if you ask nicely

sititunga asked:

like what?

i say:

like not putting self defense down on the letter to the judge
like saying you hike, backpack and fish a lot and have seen rabid animals

each judge is different in each county and each clerk, i am sure, will give
you some good pointers for when you write the letter


it worked for me....i got unrestricted when i first applied for the permit
it worked for my wife.....she got unrestricted too....right off the bat too

i often see the judge that signs our amendments out and about town
i always go over to say hi and thank him for signing our amendments
he always gives me a big smile and a warm handshake



Agree 100% with what I highlighted in red. Additionally, you might want to find out who the judge's law clerk is and give them a call for advice. Each judge is different. I live in Orange and was issued a restricted permit. With my judge, if I had put down that I need restrictions removed because of rabid animals seen while hiking she would have said, "ok, you can carry while hiking too". I just said I wanted to carry to protect myself and my family because the police can't be everywhere at the same time. She said ok, since my record was still clean she saw no reason to deny my request and I had all my restrictions removed.



Link Posted: 7/2/2010 6:46:44 AM EST
all i am saying is i got advice from the clerk what to write

i wrote what she suggested

it worked - i got unrestricted

dont talk to my county's clerk.....talk to yours

they know what the judge wants/doesnt want

Link Posted: 7/2/2010 7:25:25 AM EST
Originally Posted By Rubline1:
Putnam




Not sure how long ago you got your permit, but Putnam no longer grants full carry automatically. The process to have your restrictions removed are strait forward and easily accomplished, but I had to go in front of the Judge.

It is my understanding that Putnam issued full carry right off the bat years ago. I received my restricted permit in April of 09' and had to wait for a court date in November of 09' for the full carry....compared to Westchester, it is a walk in the park!!!
Link Posted: 7/2/2010 7:36:38 AM EST
Originally Posted By rkbar15:

Originally Posted By yourang:

like not putting self defense down on the letter to the judge
like saying you hike, backpack and fish a lot and have seen rabid animals

each judge is different in each county and each clerk, i am sure, will give
you some good pointers for when you write the letter

it worked for me....i got unrestricted when i first applied for the permit
it worked for my wife.....she got unrestricted too....right off the bat too

i often see the judge that signs our amendments out and about town
i always go over to say hi and thank him for signing our amendments
he always gives me a big smile and a warm handshake


A pistol license is issued for cause. I have no idea what this judges thought process is but in some counties those reasons might get you a license restricted to camping, hiking & fishing etc. In other counties they would just tell you to pound sand for any other reason than target/hunting.



More to this point...When i went before the judge, and was asked why i wanted my restrictions removed i responded as follows:

"I would like my restrictions removed so that i can carry a handgun for self-defense within the confines of NYS Law, your Honor."

He thank me for my "no BS answer" and approved the request, took all of 3 min.

While every clerk/ judge is different, sometimes you have to remember that you have a legal right to self-defense. Claiming you want a full carry for anything but self-defense can be debated and argued. Tell me you want one for hiking and i tell you to buy pepper spray...or carry a stick. Clearly explaining you would like to carry to LEGALLY defend your self is a no win argument for the clerk/judge...all other reasons can be denied.

Use the law to your advantage. There are legal justifications for the use of deadly force written in NYS law. it only stands to reason that if there are situations where i may legally use deadly force then i may legally carry a concealed handgun. ...at least the Judge i went in front of agreed.

Link Posted: 7/2/2010 8:09:22 AM EST
you know the law
i know the law
the judge knows the law

the clerk knows the judge......and what the judge wants to hear in the letter you write

the clerk told me: the judge doesnt want to hear self defense
so i wrote what the clerk told me to write

it worked

sorry to beat a dead horse
Link Posted: 7/2/2010 8:18:27 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/2/2010 2:34:18 PM EST by rkbar15]

Originally Posted By yourang:
you know the law
i know the law
the judge knows the law

the clerk knows the judge......and what the judge wants to hear in the letter you write

the clerk told me: the judge doesnt want to hear self defense
so i wrote what the clerk told me to write

it worked

sorry to beat a dead horse

Your advice is good. It's your judge's justification for issuing a license that's wacky. Obviously you're not going to complain about it.
Link Posted: 7/2/2010 2:11:31 PM EST
Originally Posted By kep8865:
Catt


+1
Link Posted: 7/3/2010 8:48:45 AM EST
Warren County

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Link Posted: 7/3/2010 10:12:54 AM EST

Originally Posted By XCoastie:
Warren County

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How long ago was this?

Link Posted: 7/18/2010 6:14:18 AM EST
Originally Posted By Daytona955i:

Originally Posted By XCoastie:
Warren County

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How long ago was this?



I got mine in 96. A guy I work with got his about a year ago. As far as I know Warren County still issues no restriction permits.
Link Posted: 7/18/2010 9:21:45 AM EST
Jefferson and (I think) Lewis.
Link Posted: 7/18/2010 11:38:11 AM EST
Erie may issue full carry permits off the bat, however after having my permit for a year I applied for an unrestricted license and it was granted.
Link Posted: 7/18/2010 12:45:07 PM EST
I used to live in the city (Rochester) and I was able to get an unrestricted a few years ago.
Link Posted: 7/18/2010 2:30:13 PM EST
Greene
Link Posted: 7/19/2010 2:42:34 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/19/2010 2:46:16 PM EST by timberwolf3]
Originally Posted By XCoastie:
Originally Posted By Daytona955i:

Originally Posted By XCoastie:
Warren County

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How long ago was this?



I got mine in 96. A guy I work with got his about a year ago. As far as I know Warren County still issues no restriction permits.


This is not the case anymore. The Judge has changed. Back in 1996 you had a different Judge issuing permits than the one that is there currently. The permit office says he will only issue concealed for "good cause" and that you have to prove that you have such good cause via letter.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 4:41:11 AM EST

Originally Posted By timberwolf3:
Originally Posted By XCoastie:
Originally Posted By Daytona955i:

Originally Posted By XCoastie:
Warren County

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How long ago was this?



I got mine in 96. A guy I work with got his about a year ago. As far as I know Warren County still issues no restriction permits.


This is not the case anymore. The Judge has changed. Back in 1996 you had a different Judge issuing permits than the one that is there currently. The permit office says he will only issue concealed for "good cause" and that you have to prove that you have such good cause via letter.
Any idea what sort of things that judge considers good cause?

Link Posted: 7/20/2010 4:49:19 AM EST

Originally Posted By yourang:
madison grants full carry right off the bat......if you request it and write a letter to the judge explaining why
you "need" it....otherwise you get a restricted one

best not to put "self defense" though in your letter to the judge

the clerk can be vey helpful in this process
she can give you some pointers, if you ask nicely


Do you have Judge McDermott?
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 5:37:30 AM EST
This is the "good cause" self-protection worksheet that the SCPD Police Commissioner requires applicants who are seeking "self protection" carry licenses. Of course the fact that if you actually have "proper cause" you'd be dead by the time the SCPD got around to issuing the license. Just be aware that it has no direct application outside the five western towns of SC.

http://www.co.suffolk.ny.us/police/forms/Self%20Protection%20Request%20Worksheet.pdf


Of course the fact that there is no such thing as a "SELFPROTECTION class (6) license" pistol license under state law doesn't bother them in the least. This is the heart of the SAF/Alan Gura WC lawsuit filed in federal district court.


"American citizens like Alan Kachalsky and Christina Nikolov should not have to demonstrate good cause in order to exercise a constitutionally-protected civil right," noted SAF Executive Vice President Alan Gottlieb. "Our civil rights, including the right to keep and bear arms, should not be subject to the whims of a local government or its employees, just because they don't think someone needs' a carry permit. Nobody advocates arming criminals or mental defectives, but honest citizens with clean records should not be denied out of hand.

"Thanks to our recent victory before the Supreme Court," Gottlieb stated, "the Second Amendment now applies to state and local governments. Our lawsuit is a reminder to state and local bureaucrats that we have a Bill of Rights in this country, not a Bill of Needs'.""
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 6:41:43 AM EST
Does Saratoga County issue unrestricted?
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 12:45:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/20/2010 12:47:27 PM EST by timberwolf3]
Originally Posted By lostinboston:
Does Saratoga County issue unrestricted?


I am 99.9% positive that they do not issue unrestricted. Everything that I have ever read or heard about from people trying to obtain unrestricted permits in that county suggests that they are in no way unrestricted friendly.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 12:52:40 PM EST
Originally Posted By Daytona955i:

Originally Posted By timberwolf3:
Originally Posted By XCoastie:
Originally Posted By Daytona955i:

Originally Posted By XCoastie:
Warren County

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How long ago was this?



I got mine in 96. A guy I work with got his about a year ago. As far as I know Warren County still issues no restriction permits.


This is not the case anymore. The Judge has changed. Back in 1996 you had a different Judge issuing permits than the one that is there currently. The permit office says he will only issue concealed for "good cause" and that you have to prove that you have such good cause via letter.
Any idea what sort of things that judge considers good cause?



I do not know. I just recently discovered that the Judge in Warren issues restricted unless you have a good reason for unrestricted.
Link Posted: 7/21/2010 6:28:36 AM EST
Originally Posted By timberwolf3:
Originally Posted By lostinboston:
Does Saratoga County issue unrestricted?


I am 99.9% positive that they do not issue unrestricted. Everything that I have ever read or heard about from people trying to obtain unrestricted permits in that county suggests that they are in no way unrestricted friendly.


Thanks.
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