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Posted: 7/1/2010 6:10:37 AM EDT
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Otsego.
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Posted: 7/1/2010 6:16:53 AM EDT
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Catt
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Posted: 7/1/2010 6:25:19 AM EDT
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Monroe county does...but its best if you live in the suburbs...rochester city residents apply to the RPD and a different judge who sometimes issues restricted but that's just what I've heard.
But monroe is great for full carry. Let's work to destroy the counties who don't issue full carry in court soon. |
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Posted: 7/1/2010 6:29:25 AM EDT
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Ulster
Sullivan |
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Posted: 7/1/2010 7:06:52 AM EDT
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Ulster is no longer a guaranteed full carry. It is my understanding that Judge Williams (the gun friendly judge we just elected
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Posted: 7/1/2010 7:22:54 AM EDT
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Monroe county does...but its best if you live in the suburbs...rochester city residents apply to the RPD and a different judge who sometimes issues restricted but that's just what I've heard. But monroe is great for full carry. Let's work to destroy the counties who don't issue full carry in court soon. Totally agree on that. Living in Westchester, it infuriates me to think that other states will issue non-res licenses to carry and my own county restricts me. I just recently got my non-res Florida permit. Westchester are now going to have to give me a very good reason why my license isn't full carry. Apparently it is the county police that stamp the restriction across the front of the permits in Westchester after the judge has signed off. |
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Posted: 7/1/2010 7:27:12 AM EDT
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Rensellaer, Dutchess and I beleive Columbia.
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Posted: 7/1/2010 7:40:36 AM EDT
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Schuyler.
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Posted: 7/1/2010 7:42:55 AM EDT
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Ulster is no longer a guaranteed full carry. It is my understanding that Judge Williams (the gun friendly judge we just elected ) is issuing restricted unless you can prove a need for full carry.That is not good news 
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Posted: 7/1/2010 8:13:20 AM EDT
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Steuben
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Posted: 7/1/2010 8:56:08 AM EDT
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madison grants full carry right off the bat......if you request it and write a letter to the judge explaining why
you "need" it....otherwise you get a restricted one best not to put "self defense" though in your letter to the judge the clerk can be vey helpful in this process she can give you some pointers, if you ask nicely |
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Posted: 7/1/2010 9:38:53 AM EDT
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Wayne County
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Posted: 7/1/2010 10:51:04 AM EDT
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the clerk can be vey helpful in this process she can give you some pointers, if you ask nicely Like what? |
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Posted: 7/1/2010 12:00:21 PM EDT
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Livingston
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Posted: 7/1/2010 1:35:54 PM EDT
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Putnam
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Posted: 7/1/2010 1:48:38 PM EDT
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last I knew Chautauqua
but it's been years since I got mine and haven't spoken to anyone that indicated they recently got one there |
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Posted: 7/1/2010 4:00:27 PM EDT
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Dutchess
and of course, Bronx Co.  |
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Posted: 7/1/2010 7:15:41 PM EDT
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Wyoming
Wayne Livingstong |
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Posted: 7/1/2010 7:17:53 PM EDT
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Quoted: Rensellaer, Dutchess and I beleive Columbia. Really? |
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Posted: 7/1/2010 7:20:14 PM EDT
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Cortland
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Posted: 7/1/2010 7:58:15 PM EDT
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Rensellaer, Dutchess and I beleive Columbia. Really? No, after one year you can take an additional course and apply to have them removed. |
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Posted: 7/1/2010 8:06:25 PM EDT
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Cortland I thought the judges in Cortland were almost as bad as those in Tompkins. Glad to see they've eased up. |
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Posted: 7/1/2010 8:24:56 PM EDT
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Has anyone written any sort of letter and then been approved? What sort of reasons would you give?
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Posted: 7/2/2010 4:17:13 AM EDT
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i said:
the clerk can be very helpful in this process she can give you some pointers, if you ask nicely sititunga asked: like what? i say: like not putting self defense down on the letter to the judge like saying you hike, backpack and fish a lot and have seen rabid animals each judge is different in each county and each clerk, i am sure, will give you some good pointers for when you write the letter it worked for me....i got unrestricted when i first applied for the permit it worked for my wife.....she got unrestricted too....right off the bat too i often see the judge that signs our amendments out and about town i always go over to say hi and thank him for signing our amendments he always gives me a big smile and a warm handshake |
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Posted: 7/2/2010 5:19:08 AM EDT
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Quoted: like not putting self defense down on the letter to the judge like saying you hike, backpack and fish a lot and have seen rabid animals each judge is different in each county and each clerk, i am sure, will give you some good pointers for when you write the letter it worked for me....i got unrestricted when i first applied for the permit it worked for my wife.....she got unrestricted too....right off the bat too i often see the judge that signs our amendments out and about town i always go over to say hi and thank him for signing our amendments he always gives me a big smile and a warm handshake A pistol license is issued for cause. I have no idea what this judges thought process is but in some counties those reasons might get you a license restricted to camping, hiking & fishing etc. In other counties they would just tell you to pound sand for any other reason than target/hunting. |
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Posted: 7/2/2010 6:08:18 AM EDT
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i said: the clerk can be very helpful in this process she can give you some pointers, if you ask nicely sititunga asked: like what? i say: like not putting self defense down on the letter to the judge like saying you hike, backpack and fish a lot and have seen rabid animals each judge is different in each county and each clerk, i am sure, will give you some good pointers for when you write the letter it worked for me....i got unrestricted when i first applied for the permit it worked for my wife.....she got unrestricted too....right off the bat too i often see the judge that signs our amendments out and about town i always go over to say hi and thank him for signing our amendments he always gives me a big smile and a warm handshake Agree 100% with what I highlighted in red. Additionally, you might want to find out who the judge's law clerk is and give them a call for advice. Each judge is different. I live in Orange and was issued a restricted permit. With my judge, if I had put down that I need restrictions removed because of rabid animals seen while hiking she would have said, "ok, you can carry while hiking too". I just said I wanted to carry to protect myself and my family because the police can't be everywhere at the same time. She said ok, since my record was still clean she saw no reason to deny my request and I had all my restrictions removed. |
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Posted: 7/2/2010 7:46:44 AM EDT
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all i am saying is i got advice from the clerk what to write
i wrote what she suggested it worked - i got unrestricted dont talk to my county's clerk.....talk to yours they know what the judge wants/doesnt want |
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Posted: 7/2/2010 8:25:25 AM EDT
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Putnam Not sure how long ago you got your permit, but Putnam no longer grants full carry automatically. The process to have your restrictions removed are strait forward and easily accomplished, but I had to go in front of the Judge. It is my understanding that Putnam issued full carry right off the bat years ago. I received my restricted permit in April of 09' and had to wait for a court date in November of 09' for the full carry....compared to Westchester, it is a walk in the park!!! |
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Posted: 7/2/2010 8:36:38 AM EDT
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like not putting self defense down on the letter to the judge like saying you hike, backpack and fish a lot and have seen rabid animals each judge is different in each county and each clerk, i am sure, will give you some good pointers for when you write the letter it worked for me....i got unrestricted when i first applied for the permit it worked for my wife.....she got unrestricted too....right off the bat too i often see the judge that signs our amendments out and about town i always go over to say hi and thank him for signing our amendments he always gives me a big smile and a warm handshake A pistol license is issued for cause. I have no idea what this judges thought process is but in some counties those reasons might get you a license restricted to camping, hiking & fishing etc. In other counties they would just tell you to pound sand for any other reason than target/hunting. More to this point...When i went before the judge, and was asked why i wanted my restrictions removed i responded as follows: "I would like my restrictions removed so that i can carry a handgun for self-defense within the confines of NYS Law, your Honor." He thank me for my "no BS answer" and approved the request, took all of 3 min. While every clerk/ judge is different, sometimes you have to remember that you have a legal right to self-defense. Claiming you want a full carry for anything but self-defense can be debated and argued. Tell me you want one for hiking and i tell you to buy pepper spray...or carry a stick. Clearly explaining you would like to carry to LEGALLY defend your self is a no win argument for the clerk/judge...all other reasons can be denied. Use the law to your advantage. There are legal justifications for the use of deadly force written in NYS law. it only stands to reason that if there are situations where i may legally use deadly force then i may legally carry a concealed handgun. ...at least the Judge i went in front of agreed. |
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Posted: 7/2/2010 9:09:22 AM EDT
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you know the law
i know the law the judge knows the law the clerk knows the judge......and what the judge wants to hear in the letter you write the clerk told me: the judge doesnt want to hear self defense so i wrote what the clerk told me to write it worked sorry to beat a dead horse |
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Posted: 7/2/2010 9:18:27 AM EDT
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Quoted: you know the law i know the law the judge knows the law the clerk knows the judge......and what the judge wants to hear in the letter you write the clerk told me: the judge doesnt want to hear self defense so i wrote what the clerk told me to write it worked sorry to beat a dead horse Your advice is good. It's your judge's justification for issuing a license that's wacky. Obviously you're not going to complain about it. |
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Posted: 7/2/2010 3:11:31 PM EDT
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Catt +1 |
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Posted: 7/3/2010 9:48:45 AM EDT
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Warren County
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Posted: 7/3/2010 11:12:54 AM EDT
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Quoted: How long ago was this?Warren County Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 7/18/2010 7:14:18 AM EDT
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How long ago was this?
Warren County Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I got mine in 96. A guy I work with got his about a year ago. As far as I know Warren County still issues no restriction permits. |
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Posted: 7/18/2010 10:21:45 AM EDT
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Jefferson and (I think) Lewis.
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Posted: 7/18/2010 12:38:11 PM EDT
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Erie may issue full carry permits off the bat, however after having my permit for a year I applied for an unrestricted license and it was granted.
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Posted: 7/18/2010 1:45:07 PM EDT
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I used to live in the city (Rochester) and I was able to get an unrestricted a few years ago.
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Posted: 7/18/2010 3:30:13 PM EDT
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Greene
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Posted: 7/19/2010 3:42:34 PM EDT
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How long ago was this?
Warren County Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I got mine in 96. A guy I work with got his about a year ago. As far as I know Warren County still issues no restriction permits. This is not the case anymore. The Judge has changed. Back in 1996 you had a different Judge issuing permits than the one that is there currently. The permit office says he will only issue concealed for "good cause" and that you have to prove that you have such good cause via letter. |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 5:41:11 AM EDT
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Quoted: Any idea what sort of things that judge considers good cause?Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: How long ago was this?Warren County Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I got mine in 96. A guy I work with got his about a year ago. As far as I know Warren County still issues no restriction permits. This is not the case anymore. The Judge has changed. Back in 1996 you had a different Judge issuing permits than the one that is there currently. The permit office says he will only issue concealed for "good cause" and that you have to prove that you have such good cause via letter. |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 5:49:19 AM EDT
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Quoted: madison grants full carry right off the bat......if you request it and write a letter to the judge explaining why you "need" it....otherwise you get a restricted one best not to put "self defense" though in your letter to the judge the clerk can be vey helpful in this process she can give you some pointers, if you ask nicely Do you have Judge McDermott? |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 6:37:30 AM EDT
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This is the "good cause" self-protection worksheet that the SCPD Police Commissioner requires applicants who are seeking "self protection" carry licenses. Of course the fact that if you actually have "proper cause" you'd be dead by the time the SCPD got around to issuing the license. Just be aware that it has no direct application outside the five western towns of SC.
http://www.co.suffolk.ny.us/police/forms/Self%20Protection%20Request%20Worksheet.pdf Of course the fact that there is no such thing as a "SELFPROTECTION class (6) license" pistol license under state law doesn't bother them in the least. This is the heart of the SAF/Alan Gura WC lawsuit filed in federal district court. "American citizens like Alan Kachalsky and Christina Nikolov should not have to demonstrate good cause in order to exercise a constitutionally-protected civil right," noted SAF Executive Vice President Alan Gottlieb. "Our civil rights, including the right to keep and bear arms, should not be subject to the whims of a local government or its employees, just because they don't think someone needs' a carry permit. Nobody advocates arming criminals or mental defectives, but honest citizens with clean records should not be denied out of hand. "Thanks to our recent victory before the Supreme Court," Gottlieb stated, "the Second Amendment now applies to state and local governments. Our lawsuit is a reminder to state and local bureaucrats that we have a Bill of Rights in this country, not a Bill of Needs'."" |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 7:41:43 AM EDT
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Does Saratoga County issue unrestricted?
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Posted: 7/20/2010 1:45:00 PM EDT
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Does Saratoga County issue unrestricted? I am 99.9% positive that they do not issue unrestricted. Everything that I have ever read or heard about from people trying to obtain unrestricted permits in that county suggests that they are in no way unrestricted friendly. |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 1:52:40 PM EDT
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Any idea what sort of things that judge considers good cause?
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How long ago was this?
Warren County Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I got mine in 96. A guy I work with got his about a year ago. As far as I know Warren County still issues no restriction permits. This is not the case anymore. The Judge has changed. Back in 1996 you had a different Judge issuing permits than the one that is there currently. The permit office says he will only issue concealed for "good cause" and that you have to prove that you have such good cause via letter. I do not know. I just recently discovered that the Judge in Warren issues restricted unless you have a good reason for unrestricted. |
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Posted: 7/21/2010 7:28:36 AM EDT
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Does Saratoga County issue unrestricted? I am 99.9% positive that they do not issue unrestricted. Everything that I have ever read or heard about from people trying to obtain unrestricted permits in that county suggests that they are in no way unrestricted friendly. Thanks. Which county close to Albany is the best? |
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