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Posted: 12/28/2005 12:11:36 AM EDT

www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/12/27/canada.crime.ap/index.html

Canada blames U.S. for gun violence
Toronto shooting is latest death in a record year

Tuesday, December 27, 2005; Posted: 9:54 p.m. EST (02:54 GMT)

Police on horseback guard the site where a shooting occurred Monday in Toronto, Canada.

TORONTO, Ontario (AP) -- Canadian officials, seeking to make sense of another fatal shooting in what has been a record year for gun-related deaths, said Tuesday that along with a host of social ills, part of the problem stemmed from what they said was the United States exporting its violence.

Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin and Toronto Mayor David Miller warned that Canada could become like the United States after gunfire erupted Monday on a busy street filled with holiday shoppers, killing a 15-year-old girl and wounding six bystanders -- the latest victims in a record surge in gun violence in Toronto.

The shooting stemmed from a dispute among a group of 10 to 15 youth, and the victim was a teenager out with a parent near a popular shopping mall, police said Tuesday.

"I think it's a day that Toronto has finally lost its innocence," Det. Sgt. Savas Kyriacou said. "It was a tragic loss and tragic day."

While many Canadians take pride in Canadian cities being less violent than their American counterparts, Toronto has seen 78 murders this year, including a record 52 gun-related deaths -- almost twice as many as last year.

"What happened yesterday was appalling. You just don't expect it in a Canadian city," the mayor said.

"It's a sign that the lack of gun laws in the U.S. is allowing guns to flood across the border that are literally being used to kill people in the streets of Toronto," Miller said.

Miller said Toronto, a city of nearly three million, is still very safe compared to most American cities, but the illegal flow of weapons from the United States is causing the noticeable rise in gun violence.

"The U.S. is exporting its problem of violence to the streets of Toronto," he said.

Miller said that while almost every other crime in Toronto is down, the supply of guns has increased and half of them come from the United States.

Miller said the availability of stolen Canadian guns is another problem, and that poverty in certain Toronto neighborhoods is a root cause.

"There are neighborhoods in Toronto where young people face barriers of poverty, discrimination and don't have real hope and opportunity. The kind of programs that we once took for granted in Canada that would reach out to young people have systematically disappeared over the past decade and I think that gun violence is a symptom of a much bigger problem," Miller said.

The escalating violence prompted the prime minister to announce earlier this month that if re-elected on January 23, his government would ban handguns. With severe restrictions already in place against handgun ownership, many criticized the announcement as politics.

Martin, who says up to half of the gun crimes in Canada involve weapons brought in illegally from the United States, raised the smuggling problem when he met with U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice in October.

Martin offered his condolences in a statement Tuesday, saying he was horrified by the shootings.

"What we saw yesterday is a stark reminder of the challenge that governments, police forces and communities face to ensure that Canadian cities do not descend into the kind of rampant gun violence we have seen elsewhere," Martin said.

John Thompson, a security analyst with the Toronto-based Mackenzie Institute, says the number of guns smuggled from the United States is a problem, but that Canada has a gang problem -- not a gun problem -- and that Canada should stop pointing the finger at the United States.

"It's a cop out. It's an easy way of looking at one symptom rather than addressing a whole disease," Thompson said.

Two suspects were arrested and at least one firearm was seized soon after the shootings Monday. Kyriacou said it was an illegal handgun.

Three females and four males were injured, including one male who is in critical condition. Police believe they were bystanders.

-Rob

Posted: 12/28/2005 12:18:20 AM EDT

[#1]

Who gives a fuck....

Canada has some good Pussy, and good Beer, and good Hunting, other then that, I say invade them.

Posted: 12/28/2005 1:46:21 AM EDT

[#2]

dayum frantch separatists

Posted: 12/28/2005 7:51:34 AM EDT

[#3]

Fuck them all!! They are not a real country anyway

Posted: 12/28/2005 7:54:34 AM EDT

[#4]

Maybe we could send all our gangsters to Canada to learn their non-violent ways...

Posted: 12/28/2005 7:58:40 AM EDT

[#5]

typical political reaction, deny it's your problem and point a finger, then collect a paycheck for your solution.

Posted: 12/28/2005 8:39:25 AM EDT

[#6]

When the liberals brought in the current rules, they promised it would only cost $80 million. Its at $2 billion and climbing. They also promised it would stop smuggling from the US, and reduce gun crime etc etc.

They were wrong, and knew they were lying at the time too.

Posted: 12/28/2005 9:05:00 AM EDT

[#7]

They are right. It's all our fault. We should help them build a wall to keep our riff-raff out. We will send only our most fine upstanding Democrats their way.

Posted: 12/28/2005 9:33:25 AM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
They are right. It's all our fault. We should help them build a wall to keep our riff-raff out. We will send only our most fine upstanding Democrats their way.

Got my vote.

Posted: 12/28/2005 1:19:58 PM EDT

[#9]

Damn Kanuckastanians! I say close the fucked up open-door immagration polocies they have. Then build a wall on the border, and search all commers at the crossing, inbound to Canada, as vigorously as we do comming into the U.S. from CAN....

Posted: 12/28/2005 1:27:20 PM EDT

[#10]

If we were to get serious about exporting violence, maybe Canada and Mexico would build the walls to keep us in.

It sounds like the Socialists want to fuck with the US a little more, since the whole Iraq thing is falling into place.

The 2nd Marines could quiet Toronto right down.

Posted: 12/28/2005 1:48:58 PM EDT

[#11]

hehehe, traitorous bastards, I think I would have to reup' for that one!

And maybe GW should charge an tax on all that violence we are exporting....

Posted: 12/28/2005 2:04:55 PM EDT

[#12]

www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/13/canada.weapons/index.html

Looks like the whole open borders with the rest of the world is working just fine. And trust CNN to help the guns are evil cause. Its the beginning of the new legislative season isn't it? What a surprise.

Posted: 12/28/2005 3:19:32 PM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:
www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/13/canada.weapons/index.html

Looks like the whole open borders with the rest of the world is working just fine. And trust CNN to help the guns are evil cause. Its the beginning of the new legislative season isn't it? What a surprise.

Hmmm...

Ali Dirie, 22, and Yasin Mohamed, 23 -- both Canadians from the Toronto area --

Posted: 12/28/2005 5:17:30 PM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:
Who gives a fuck....

Canada has some good Pussy, and good Beer, and good Hunting, other then that, I say invade them.

I'd say those are GREAT reasons to invade them!

Posted: 12/28/2005 6:44:13 PM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:
Quoted:
www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/13/canada.weapons/index.html

Looks like the whole open borders with the rest of the world is working just fine. And trust CNN to help the guns are evil cause. Its the beginning of the new legislative season isn't it? What a surprise.

Hmmm...
Ali Dirie, 22, and Yasin Mohamed, 23 -- both Canadians from the Toronto area --

Got the same feeling...

Posted: 12/28/2005 8:22:51 PM EDT

[#16]

Who cares what Canada thinks? If they want to complain, lets close the border. Cut them off and see how things run for awhile.

Posted: 12/29/2005 10:52:28 AM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/13/canada.weapons/index.html

Looks like the whole open borders with the rest of the world is working just fine. And trust CNN to help the guns are evil cause. Its the beginning of the new legislative season isn't it? What a surprise.

Hmmm...
Ali Dirie, 22, and Yasin Mohamed, 23 -- both Canadians from the Toronto area --

Got the same feeling...

Noticed that little detail did ya'!?

Wonder what else about these two fine upstanding Canadian "citizens" will come out?

Posted: 12/29/2005 12:42:00 PM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/13/canada.weapons/index.html

Looks like the whole open borders with the rest of the world is working just fine. And trust CNN to help the guns are evil cause. Its the beginning of the new legislative season isn't it? What a surprise.

Hmmm...
Ali Dirie, 22, and Yasin Mohamed, 23 -- both Canadians from the Toronto area --

Got the same feeling...

Noticed that little detail did ya'!?

Wonder what else about these two fine upstanding Canadian "citizens" will come out?

Yes, but it won't come out on CNN.

Posted: 12/29/2005 5:40:06 PM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/13/canada.weapons/index.html

Looks like the whole open borders with the rest of the world is working just fine. And trust CNN to help the guns are evil cause. Its the beginning of the new legislative season isn't it? What a surprise.

Hmmm...
Ali Dirie, 22, and Yasin Mohamed, 23 -- both Canadians from the Toronto area --

Got the same feeling...

Noticed that little detail did ya'!?

Wonder what else about these two fine upstanding Canadian "citizens" will come out?

Yes, but it won't come out on CNN.

Not those 2, but yet another canadian....not on CNN either, but KIRO...
www.kirotv.com/news/5709863/detail.html

Man Suspected Of Videotaping Locker Room Shower

POSTED: 8:12 am PST December 29, 2005
UPDATED: 6:11 pm PST December 29, 2005

OLYMPIA, Wash. -- A British Columbia man has been arrested for investigation of videotaping high school wrestlers in a locker room shower during a tournament at Tumwater High School.

Tumwater police say the man, Chi Yung Luu, 29, had a video camera hidden in a towel. The man was booked into Thurston County Jail for investigation of 15 counts of voyeurism, one for each athlete police say were filmed.

The incident happened during the Tumwater Invitational wrestling tournament. The competition draws wrestlers from 13 schools in Western Washington. Luu was scheduled for a hearing Thursday in Thurston County Superior Court.

Luu is being held on $750,000 bai and is forbidden to travel internationally.

Posted: 12/29/2005 6:24:57 PM EDT

[#20]

I've said it many times...fuck Canada.

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