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Posted: 1/5/2006 2:58:04 AM EDT
I have finally decided to start reloading this year as paying out £68 for 200 American eagle 62g seems quite expensive to me. How does that figure compare to reloading 200 of your own and what is a good cheap space effective set up consist of as i have absolutely no knowledge of reloading or equipment?
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As a quick calculation, making similar ammunition:
62gr bullets, once-fired cases, magtech primers, vectan powder would be just over £38 for the 200 rounds. (The Cases could then be re-used, so the next 200 would be a bit cheaper...) I got the prices for the components from Peter Lawmans website.... Obviously if you start loading 77gr Sierra MatchKing bullets, the cost is going to go up considerably, but they don't compare to the American Eagle. (A bit like comparing throwing a stone to a missile! ) If you want something compact, you probably want to look at a turret or progressive type press from someone like Lee (if you really want to start cheap) or Dillon (if you want something that you won't want to replace in a year.) as everything hangs off the same press. Nick |
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I'm reloading .30 M1 carbine and .357 mag on an RCBS Rockchucker single stage press usingLEE & RCBS carbide dies.
I've got a complete setup for .308 (dies/powder/cases/heads/primers) but haven't made time to actually reload that cal yet. I've got the cheap LEE powder dippers and powder dispensers/tricklers through to a Lyman DPS1200 all singing & dancing electronic powder dispenser/measure/scale for 1/10th grain accurate loads. I prime cases off-press using a LEE autoprime, usually whilst watching telly.. I mount the press in a black and decker workmate, which I setup in the kitchen. I'd love to have a dedicated reloading room though where I can leave everything setup.... One day I'll get a progrssive setup.....handling all those cases one a time for each operation (resize/decap/expand/seat) gets a bit boring after a while.... As for the economics of handloading, I guess it depends which cals you plan to reload and ultimately how many rounds you get through in a month. I like the flexibility of handloading as I don't always need full-house loads and can tailor loads for specific uses, etc. |
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Is there a website for all that terminology, I'm baffled! So how many pieces of equipment are needed? Phew
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have a look at www.leeprecision.com or www.bluepress.com. Download an instruction manual or two for the different presses, and they'll give you a good idea what your looking for. Also, Lee sells a intro to reloading book which I think is pretty cheap for a bit of bedtime reading...
Nick ETA Lee make an all-in-one kit with everything you need to get started at a reasonable price. |
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Hi Matt
Welcome to reloading, if I can do it then anyone can..... I'm a reloading newbie really, I'm sure there are much better qualified people on here, but in the meantime check out the following to give you an idea of whats involved: www.reloadingcentral.com/howto.html www.rcbs.com/default.asp?menu=1&s1=5&s2=15 www.geocities.com/gunversation/reloading101/reloading101.htm |
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Great, Thanks for that chaps, Will look into it, I'm sure i'll save a bloody fortune in the long run!
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Once you have everything you need, and have started getting into it you will save load's of do$h. The only reason why I haven't got into the reloading game is that the German authoritie's force you to take a course and pass the test's before you can buy powder. It's a great past time when the rain just dosen't seem to know when to stop, or in my case the snow. Tony |
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Yes but at least the German authorities let you play with better toys my friend!
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Truer words were never spoken! I started reloading when I was 12 years old. All my reloading gear fit in an orange crate and I'd c-clamp the press to a work bench when I wanted to reload. I use the same setup when I teach reloading to my hunter education classes. The press dates back to the 1930's. You won't save any money. You will shoot much more for the same amount however. SRM |
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The way things are going at the moment (.gov.uk might licence presses or other reloading stuff ) it might be best to buy the press you think you'll end up with now rather than get a smaller one to start with and buy bigger/better later.
Get a turret/progressive press. This way you'll not end up with a load of half finished rounds if you get called away quick, and the repeat set-up/loading process is a lot easier. Therefore, I would recommend you get the Dillon 550B at least, or even the 650. Lee do make a good turret press that's cheap and will load most of what you'll want up to about 308 size (longer cases can be a bit fiddly). The Lee will be slower than the Dillon for rifle bullets but will be great for pistol loads and costs a fraction of the price. The Lee is also a great press for beginners. If you want to load for gallery/pistol calibre as well as rifle bullets, you could always get both a Lee and a Dillon, or two dillons. You'll need a minimum of: One press one set dies for each calibre one powder measure (may come with press) one set scales to check the powder charge (weight) somewhere to do the loading (away from distraction!!!) with a sturdy bench - better if you can keep it set up Case lube (essential for rifle reloading but not as much if you're loading pistol ammo using carbine dies) bullets (often called heads) cases primers powder What you will want very soon afterwards is a case tumbler and tumbling media (corncob or similar). This will clean the cases before you reload. It'll help keep the cases in good condition and reduce the wear on the dies. Also a case trimmer and possible a case check guage. Necked cases will stretch with each firing, some makes more than others. You will eventually need to trim them back or the loaded round will not fit in the chamber and may give high than normal pressure on firing. With straight walled cases this is not so much of a problem. You might be able to get away with not trimming for the first reload but you'll soon get to a stage where the case will be too long. The first trim is usually a big one, after that it is just a case of taking off small amounts. Hope this helps. Matt (no the other one). |
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The way things are going at the moment (.gov.uk might licence presses or other reloading stuff ) it might be best to buy the press you think you'll end up with now rather than get a smaller one to start with and buy bigger/better later. Get a turret/progressive press. This way you'll not end up with a load of half finished rounds if you get called away quick, and the repeat set-up/loading process is a lot easier. Therefore, I would recommend you get the Dillon 550B at least, or even the 650. Lee do make a good turret press that's cheap and will load most of what you'll want up to about 308 size (longer cases can be a bit fiddly). The Lee will be slower than the Dillon for rifle bullets but will be great for pistol loads and costs a fraction of the price. The Lee is also a great press for beginners. If you want to load for gallery/pistol calibre as well as rifle bullets, you could always get both a Lee and a Dillon, or two dillons. You'll need a minimum of: One press one set dies for each calibre one powder measure (may come with press) one set scales to check the powder charge (weight) somewhere to do the loading (away from distraction!!!) with a sturdy bench - better if you can keep it set up Case lube (essential for rifle reloading but not as much if you're loading pistol ammo using carbine dies) bullets (often called heads) cases primers powder What you will want very soon afterwards is a case tumbler and tumbling media (corncob or similar). This will clean the cases before you reload. It'll help keep the cases in good condition and reduce the wear on the dies. Also a case trimmer and possible a case check guage. Necked cases will stretch with each firing, some makes more than others. You will eventually need to trim them back or the loaded round will not fit in the chamber and may give high than normal pressure on firing. With straight walled cases this is not so much of a problem. You might be able to get away with not trimming for the first reload but you'll soon get to a stage where the case will be too long. The first trim is usually a big one, after that it is just a case of taking off small amounts. Hope this helps. Where is the best place to get this kit from, Can't seem to find any stockists in gun mart? |
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In Gun Mart theres normally the Sportsmans Gun Centre & Roding Armoury that have quite a bit of reloading kit...
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+ 1 pair of safety specs I wear mine when doing any reloading processes. Taffy |
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check out smartreloader.com too.
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You forgot to mention what your fingers would look like trying to keep up with the Gracey 1000 rounds/hour rate!!
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Oh my god....hobbit feet......
Vito - Grounds for account suspension..... ETA - Neat reloading setup |
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Mark that is some sweet reloading gear you have there. So when is it convienient for me drop my used cases off to you for processing? Cheers Taffy With my Lee happy shopper press I can manage about 200 rounds in an hour with prepared cases. The wife gets the hump when I sit there in front of the TV cleaning primer pockets and triming the lengths. I was going to take some pics of my setup but after seeing Marks I'll give it a miss. |
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It's for the club.
Actually, both mine and the Club's FAC's cover it. It'll all be gone in a couple of weeks, I just don't like to miss a good deal when I see one Mark |
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I wouldn't put that gungy crappy stuff through a nice lovely AR...........Then again! |
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Only five toes on each foot? looks like I really do owe Scope-eye a fiver then. |
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Remember pulling bullets is illegal and can only be done by a suitably licenced RFD or certified armourer. But of course you can buy the puller so you can practice with dummies for when you get a licence |
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Bizarre law this one, I've never understood why this is the case ? ? ? I can put rounds together but not take'em apart !?! I'm sure local plod would just love me to turn up at my local station (if it was ever open, but thats another stoy) with a bunch of botched reloads....... "Dispose of these please Mr Policeman" |
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I thought that this law had been repealed, our local firearms liasion officer said that it was now OK to dissassemble loaded rounds and had been so since Jan 2005. |
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You could be right, Dave. There has to be a first time for everything. It was originally to stop unsavouries (read: Irish terrorists) from getting powder to make bombs. That was until they found it easier to use the ammo to shoot people. |
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