Posted: 10/23/2015 9:13:03 PM EDT
| I moved up here from KY (awesome gun state) and I have yet to take the CCDW class. I had a KY license but I'm being told its no longer valid due to an issued Ohio driver license. I want to open carry but unlike in KY, you still need a permit to carry in vehicle. So my question is, if you open carry, what do you do with the firearm while in the car? |
2923.16 Improperly handling firearms in a motor vehicle.(B) No person shall knowingly transport or have a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle in such a manner that the firearm is accessible to the operator or any passenger without leaving the vehicle. (C) No person shall knowingly transport or have a firearm in a motor vehicle, unless the person may lawfully possess that firearm under applicable law of this state or the United States, the firearm is unloaded, and the firearm is carried in one of the following ways: (4) If the firearm is at least twenty-four inches in overall length as measured from the muzzle to the part of the stock furthest from the muzzle and if the barrel is at least eighteen inches in length, either in plain sight with the action open or the weapon stripped, or, if the firearm is of a type on which the action will not stay open or which cannot easily be stripped, in plain sight. ... , with respect to a firearm other than a firearm described in division (K)(6) of this section, that no ammunition is in the firearm in question, no magazine or speed loader containing ammunition is inserted into the firearm in question , and one of the following applies: (i) There is no ammunition in a magazine or speed loader that is in the vehicle in question and that may be used with the firearm in question. (ii) Any magazine or speed loader that contains ammunition and that may be used with the firearm in question is stored in a compartment within the vehicle in question that cannot be accessed without leaving the vehicle or is stored in a container that provides complete and separate enclosure. (b) For the purposes of division (K)(5)(a)(ii) of this section, a "container that provides complete and separate enclosure" includes, but is not limited to, any of the following: (i) A package, box, or case with multiple compartments, as long as the loaded magazine or speed loader and the firearm in question either are in separate compartments within the package, box, or case, or, if they are in the same compartment, the magazine or speed loader is contained within a separate enclosure in that compartment that does not contain the firearm and that closes using a snap, button, buckle, zipper, hook and loop closing mechanism, or other fastener that must be opened to access the contents or the firearm is contained within a separate enclosure of that nature in that compartment that does not contain the magazine or speed loader; (ii) A pocket or other enclosure on the person of the person in question that closes using a snap, button, buckle, zipper, hook and loop closing mechanism, or other fastener that must be opened to access the contents. (c) For the purposes of divisions (K)(5)(a) and (b) of this section, ammunition held in stripper-clips or in en-bloc clips is not considered ammunition that is loaded into a magazine or speed loader. (6) "Unloaded" means, with respect to a firearm employing a percussion cap, flintlock, or other obsolete ignition system, when the weapon is uncapped or when the priming charge is removed from the pan. |
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I find section the below quoted information interesting:
"(i)Â A package, box, or case with multiple compartments, as long as the loaded magazine or speed loader and the firearm in question either are in separate compartments within the package, box, or case, or, if they are in the same compartment, the magazine or speed loader is contained within a separate enclosure in that compartment that does not contain the firearm and that closes using a snap, button, buckle, zipper, hook and loop closing mechanism, or other fastener that must be opened to access the contents or the firearm is contained within a separate enclosure of that nature in that compartment that does not contain the magazine or speed loader;Â " So Joe Blow who doesn't have a CCL can carry a glock in one compartment and a loaded magazine in another compartment of the same duffle bag as long as the compartments zip shut? This duffel bag with said gun and loaded magazine can be thrown in the back seat of my car with no violation to law? |
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If you were here long enough to get a OH drivers license you had plenty of time to spend 6 hours getting your Ohio required training. Yeah, that's 6 hours of your life you'll never get back. Get your ticket punched.
Closed container can be a gun case or cardboard box. -- Chuck |
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Quoted: So Joe Blow who doesn't have a CCL can carry a glock in one compartment and a loaded magazine in another compartment of the same duffle bag as long as the compartments zip shut? This duffel bag with said gun and loaded magazine can be thrown in the back seat of my car with no violation to law? So long as the duffel bag were inaccessible to the occupants of the vehicle without them leaving it first, then yes it would be legal. Edit: see below  |
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So long as the duffel bag were inaccessible to the occupants of the vehicle without them leaving it first, then yes it would be legal. Quoted:
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So Joe Blow who doesn't have a CCL can carry a glock in one compartment and a loaded magazine in another compartment of the same duffle bag as long as the compartments zip shut? This duffel bag with said gun and loaded magazine can be thrown in the back seat of my car with no violation to law? So long as the duffel bag were inaccessible to the occupants of the vehicle without them leaving it first, then yes it would be legal. This if mags are loaded, or ... If the magazines are unloaded. Then only one of those options has to be true. "the firearm is unloaded, and the firearm is carried in one of the following ways: (1) In a closed package, box, or case; (2) In a compartment that can be reached only by leaving the vehicle; (3) In plain sight and secured in a rack or holder made for the purpose; (4) If the firearm is at least twenty-four inches in overall length as measured from the muzzle to the part of the stock furthest from the muzzle and if the barrel is at least eighteen inches in length, either in plain sight with the action open or the weapon stripped, or, if the firearm is of a type on which the action will not stay open or which cannot easily be stripped, in plain sight. " ETA: IANAL, any way I try to make it easier to read only complicates it. Like the law. |
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Quoted: This if mags are loaded, or ... If the magazines are unloaded. Then only one of those options has to be true. "the firearm is unloaded, and the firearm is carried in one of the following ways: (1) In a closed package, box, or case; (2) In a compartment that can be reached only by leaving the vehicle; (3) In plain sight and secured in a rack or holder made for the purpose; (4) If the firearm is at least twenty-four inches in overall length as measured from the muzzle to the part of the stock furthest from the muzzle and if the barrel is at least eighteen inches in length, either in plain sight with the action open or the weapon stripped, or, if the firearm is of a type on which the action will not stay open or which cannot easily be stripped, in plain sight. " ETA: IANAL, any way I try to make it easier to read only complicates it. Like the law. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So Joe Blow who doesn't have a CCL can carry a glock in one compartment and a loaded magazine in another compartment of the same duffle bag as long as the compartments zip shut? This duffel bag with said gun and loaded magazine can be thrown in the back seat of my car with no violation to law? So long as the duffel bag were inaccessible to the occupants of the vehicle without them leaving it first, then yes it would be legal. This if mags are loaded, or ... If the magazines are unloaded. Then only one of those options has to be true. "the firearm is unloaded, and the firearm is carried in one of the following ways: (1) In a closed package, box, or case; (2) In a compartment that can be reached only by leaving the vehicle; (3) In plain sight and secured in a rack or holder made for the purpose; (4) If the firearm is at least twenty-four inches in overall length as measured from the muzzle to the part of the stock furthest from the muzzle and if the barrel is at least eighteen inches in length, either in plain sight with the action open or the weapon stripped, or, if the firearm is of a type on which the action will not stay open or which cannot easily be stripped, in plain sight. " ETA: IANAL, any way I try to make it easier to read only complicates it. Like the law. Whoops, you appear correct. So long as the "container" is closed, it need not be inaccessible. |
| No, you were right, he said "loaded" what I posted is for "unloaded" I think, they make it so confusing. I got my CHL so I roll around with 100's of loaded handguns and magazines scattered about my vehicle. But I can't have a pocket knife I intend to use as a weapon. |
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For the clarification the glock was completely unloaded in one compartment.
The magazine was the only thing loaded and it was in another sealed pocket of duffel bag. What's considered a case? Duffel bag? Brief case? Zip lock bag? I've always been amazed and infuriated by how complex laws are written along with the level of interpretation that has to be imposed for even the simplest situations |
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For the clarification the glock was completely unloaded in one compartment. The magazine was the only thing loaded and it was in another sealed pocket of duffel bag. What's considered a case? Duffel bag? Brief case? Zip lock bag? I've always been amazed and infuriated by how complex laws are written along with the level of interpretation that has to be imposed for even the simplest situations (b) For the purposes of division (K)(5)(a)(ii) of this section, a "container that provides complete and separate enclosure" includes, but is not limited to, any of the following: (i) A package, box, or case with multiple compartments, as long as the loaded magazine or speed loader and the firearm in question either are in separate compartments within the package, box, or case, or, if they are in the same compartment, the magazine or speed loader is contained within a separate enclosure in that compartment that does not contain the firearm and that closes using a snap, button, buckle, zipper, hook and loop closing mechanism, or other fastener that must be opened to access the contents or the firearm is contained within a separate enclosure of that nature in that compartment that does not contain the magazine or speed loader; (ii) A pocket or other enclosure on the person of the person in question that closes using a snap, button, buckle, zipper, hook and loop closing mechanism, or other fastener that must be opened to access the contents. |
Thanks for the replies and clearing some things up. I agree 100% that the laws are ridiculous and confusing. I've even considered carrying a copy of the Constitution in my wallet and using it as my CCDW 
As far as the comment about having time to get drivers license and having 6 hours to get my CCDW....It took me 20 minutes to get drivers license. I plan to get my OH CCDW as soon as I have the time to do so. |
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I believe you can carry up to 6 months after getting your Ohio Drivers license, with your Kentucky license (concealed carry). Someone correct me if I am wrong. Also I took my Concealed Carry Class on a Sunday, made my appointment for the following Wednesday, got my permit the same day.
2) If, on or after the effective date of this amendment, a person who is a resident of this state has a valid concealed handgun license that was issued by another license-issuing state that has not entered into a reciprocity agreement with the attorney general under division (A)(1) of this section, the license issued by the other license-issuing state shall be recognized in this state, shall be accepted and valid in this state, and grants the person the same right to carry a concealed handgun in this state as a person who was issued a concealed handgun license under section 2923.125 of the Revised Code for a period of six months after the person became a resident of this state. After that six-month period, if the person wishes to obtain a concealed handgun license, the person shall apply for a concealed handgun license pursuant to section 2923.125 of the Revised Code. http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/ohio.pdf |
