Posted: 2/21/2010 4:25:19 PM EDT
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Has anyone gone through the process of appealing a Firearm Transfer Denial?
I was denied, kinda. Until I gave out my SSN, then it was approved. So the friendly seller kindly gave me all the paperwork and such as to be able to file an appeal with the NICS. I also have the NISC Transaction Number (NTN) which they absolutely require. I've had my CPL for over 30 years now and have never had a problem until a couple months ago. I got delayed for my first time ever. Two days later, approved. One month after that my FFL guy (while on the phone with the feds) looks at me and asks if I want to give my SSN. Ya, alright, it's xxx-xx-xxxx, approved! Does anyone know what might be happening here? Looks like I'll be sending out the required letter to the FBI in the morning. |
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Quoted: I actually try not to. Not out of paranoia, but because it's easier to balance the checkbook when there's only a single cash withdrawal every two weeks.Do you swipe your credit/debit card anywhere???? Quoted: The only thing I could think of was that they recently apprehended a terrorist who used a name like yours. What I was asking is why, NOW, after all this time?   |
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Maybe you bought too many guns recently and it DOES effect the outcome. I got denied last year due to someone with same name with criminal record. At least that's their explanation and I even wrote down my SSN. Total BS if you ask me..Took over 4 months to clear things up. Now I don't get delayed but my NICS calls take over 5 min. due to transfering to second or even 3rd person. You'd think that they have a record of them denying me based on false information...
ETA: Not saying buying multiple firearms in a short period is bad or anything 
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Every step of extra work someone has to do to steal my identity make sit a little bit less likely they will.Why not put your social on the paper work?? 
Do you swipe your credit/debit card anywhere???? I do not use my debit card. The CC needs a signature and this will protect you a tad more. The merchant should verify your identity with a CC |
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Quoted: This isn't about me NOT giving them my SSN. They already know everything about me. What I was asking is why, NOW, after all this time? Are you sure? If I'm reading your OP incorrectly, forgive me. But it sounded like the delay was had when you didn't give the Soc., then you gave it and it came through. Yeah............I understand, I don't like puttin' my Soc. on anything either, unless absolutely necessary. I've always scoffed at the 4473 where the field for your social security no. says "optional".................scoffed, because I always figured it would cause unecessary problems if I didn't fill it out. I've always put it there, never had a delay. |
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Has anyone gone through the process of appealing a Firearm Transfer Denial? I was denied, kinda. Until I gave out my SSN, then it was approved. So the friendly seller kindly gave me all the paperwork and such as to be able to file an appeal with the NICS. I also have the NISC Transaction Number (NTN) which they absolutely require. I've had my CPL for over 30 years now and have never had a problem until a couple months ago. I got delayed for my first time ever. Two days later, approved. One month after that my FFL guy (while on the phone with the feds) looks at me and asks if I want to give my SSN. Ya, alright, it's xxx-xx-xxxx, approved! Does anyone know what might be happening here? Looks like I'll be sending out the required letter to the FBI in the morning. your never "kinda Denied" its proceed, delay or denied. It could be that a felon shares your name and the SS# is the "kicker" (in your favor) its ok to put your SSN on the 4473 because .gov knows it all ready, they just use it as a test to prove that you are really you. Its no big deal. But ask about the privacy policy of the store you deal with..... They could and many do share information from 4473's to firearms manufactures and others to profile customers. (tin foil hat on) 
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Quoted: Quoted: Has anyone gone through the process of appealing a Firearm Transfer Denial? I was denied, kinda. Until I gave out my SSN, then it was approved. So the friendly seller kindly gave me all the paperwork and such as to be able to file an appeal with the NICS. I also have the NISC Transaction Number (NTN) which they absolutely require. I've had my CPL for over 30 years now and have never had a problem until a couple months ago. I got delayed for my first time ever. Two days later, approved. One month after that my FFL guy (while on the phone with the feds) looks at me and asks if I want to give my SSN. Ya, alright, it's xxx-xx-xxxx, approved! Does anyone know what might be happening here? Looks like I'll be sending out the required letter to the FBI in the morning. your never "kinda Denied" its proceed, delay or denied. It could be that a felon shares your name and the SS# is the "kicker" (in your favor) its ok to put your SSN on the 4473 because .gov knows it all ready, they just use it as a test to prove that you are really you. Its no big deal. But ask about the privacy policy of the store you deal with..... They could and many do share information from 4473's to firearms manufactures and others to profile customers. (tin foil hat on) Absolutely. For some of us, they've got our DNA too. Just think...............with the advancements in science, there could be a whole bunch of other Vinis floatin' around out there........................ |
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What happens is all the info describing you is read from the 4473, your state of birth (but not city) your state of residence and country. Also, if it's a Long gun, a Handgun, or Other.
As they type it in, the list of available names gets shortened up. If it doesn't automatically pop down to one name to check, they kick the call of to the next tier of examination. That person sorts through everything that comes up under the NICS transaction number that started, if they put you on hold, you get to listen to really shitty funk music, or really shitty elevator classic. Or the dude likes to BS and you find out how the system works. From there, like was said before, Proceed, Delay, Deny. CPL's are NOT a guarantee you get to take the gun home, I ALWAYS get put on delay. So, if you get put on Delay, NORMALLY NICS never comes back with a result, and you can release the gun after X amount of days. (Delay of calling in a pistol on a CPL that is) think it's 3. The BIG thing that gets people denied (that they honestly don't know about) is restraining or no-contact orders. All they have to do is be submitted and BOOM there goes your rights. The next big thing is stuff people KNOW THEY DID but didn't thing the system would catch. Mostly older Gentleman, who used to live in other states. Younger people seem to realize the power of the internet (Had that happen a FEW times). REALLY common names, or F'd up ridiculous names take a LONG time to process, sometimes. Every once in awhile some CIA spook or Naval Intelligence guy will buy a pistol, and within hours NCIS is calling up asking why a background check was initiated on person so and so. |
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Has anyone gone through the process of appealing a Firearm Transfer Denial? I was denied, kinda. Until I gave out my SSN, then it was approved. So the friendly seller kindly gave me all the paperwork and such as to be able to file an appeal with the NICS. I also have the NISC Transaction Number (NTN) which they absolutely require. I've had my CPL for over 30 years now and have never had a problem until a couple months ago. I got delayed for my first time ever. Two days later, approved. One month after that my FFL guy (while on the phone with the feds) looks at me and asks if I want to give my SSN. Ya, alright, it's xxx-xx-xxxx, approved! Does anyone know what might be happening here? Looks like I'll be sending out the required letter to the FBI in the morning. If you were APPROVED and were able to take the gun home, you should be in the clear. If your were DENIED then you have some problems, and need to contact the Sheriffs records Dpt for your county and find out what is holding you up. Did they give you a "Voluntary appeal file" so you can get a UPIN? if that's the case it should make life easier. |
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Did they give you a "Voluntary appeal file" so you can get a UPIN? if that's the case it should make life easier.
Yes he did. That's the paperwork that I'm sending out today. I was told that once I get my UPIN that I should breeze through any check from then on out as long as I write it down on the form. It's one of those boxes that I've never used before. I also have the NTN to find out what happened this last time. |
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years ago after getting my rights back again(errrrrrr), after I was denied, then thru the NICS apeal(my paperwork had not cought up to them yet) I asked if I should get a UPIN, they said no need.....I get a proceed most always now, even after TSA found ammo on me at SEATAC,
there is not a chance in the world any terrrorist has my last name, not alot of Norwegian terrorist last I checked.....unless Lutafisk can be considered a weapon of mass distruction
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Did they give you a "Voluntary appeal file" so you can get a UPIN? if that's the case it should make life easier.
Yes he did. That's the paperwork that I'm sending out today. I was told that once I get my UPIN that I should breeze through any check from then on out as long as I write it down on the form. It's one of those boxes that I've never used before. I also have the NTN to find out what happened this last time. That's cool, in a nutshell, that allows NICS to retain your info, so that way all they have to do is type up that number and it confirms it's you. Without that, they have to dump all info received within 24 hours (by law). Normally if you bought a gun today, and passed a check, you could buy one tomorrow, and it would be like you never had a check done. Here's an interesting tidbit, every time you buy more than one handgun, a special sheet is filled out called a "multiple form" even though your still filling out one state sheet per gun, and entering everything on the 4473... |
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Just think...............with the advancements in science, there could be a whole bunch of other Vinis floatin' around out there........................
That is the scariest shit I've ever heard! 
They have my DNA too though. I think they're collecting it at birth now... |
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What does a UPIN do for you that a SSN will not? From what I was told, it's like having TWO SSN's. Then there is no way in hell someone can become you. (that's the simple version) there is not a chance in the world any terrorist has my last name, not alot of Norwegian terrorist last I checked.....unless Lutafisk can be considered a weapon of mass distruction
Isn't that consider biological warfare? 
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I was buying handguns and just waiting out the 5 days.
After I got my CPL, I used it on my next transfer and was told hold and then denied. Seems if you go with the wait period the state doesnt necessarily involve a fed check. Since using a CPL it went to the fed and I got denied. Went through the whole appeal process. Very slow process. After 4 months I wrote a letter to Senator Cantwell to see if she could help me. She replied she would have a staffer look into it. Within a week, I received my clearance and UPIN. Sometimes I use the UPIN sometimes I dont. Havent had any issues since. |
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What does a UPIN do for you that a SSN will not? From what I've gleaned, proves your you. I.E they have verifiable evidence since you submitted prints and everything, and allows them to retain your info so it all pops up with no digging or confusion. OR Magic. Whatever you prefer. |
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What does a UPIN do for you that a SSN will not? In my experience nothing... Actually it takes longer in most cases to run a 4473 with a UPIN# becasue NICS always used to transfer the dealer to the FBI for review since they have your UPIN information. With your SS# NICS knows your not Mr. Smith or Mr. Jones... It is funny the little things that will throw the NICS boys for a loop. I had a buddy, you know who you are, mark all ethnic groups available under "Race" including other on his 4473. It was a fun background check to run as they had no clue what to do on the other end of the phone. |