Posted: 8/21/2009 2:37:14 PM EDT
Be sure to keep a copy of all of your tax stamps at a separate secure location from the NFA items. I've now seen a warrant on a unrelated charge (absolutely nothing to do with guns) require the seizure of all the NFA items at a location and all NFA tax documents. Of course, if they seize your tax stamps pursuant to a valid warrant and happen to lose them, how will you prove your legal possession... |
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Quoted: Uh, because the ATF keeps a copy? Losing your copy of your form 1 (or 4) doesn't make you a felon. BSW Please accept my apology in advance, I've had a absolutely horrible day and am quickly losing faith in our government and the ability of people in general to be fair. In Georgia you must prove that you are entitled to possess the item. If you cannot prove it in a timely manner you will be a convicted felon. " It should be noted that the Criminal Code merely provides that the prosecution need not negative any exemption, whereas the Firearms Act contains not only that provision but also prescribes that the burden of proof of exemption shall be on the defendant." -246 Ga. 390 SIMMONS v. STATE As heretofore noted, the Firearms and Weapons Act (Code Ann. § 26-9915a) does provide that ". . . the burden of proof of any exception, excuse, proviso or exemption shall be upon the defendant." "It is not necessary for the State to negate any exemption or exceptions in this Chapter in any complaint, information, indictment or other pleading or in any trial, hearing, or other proceeding under this Chapter. The burden of proof is upon the person claiming it." -246 Ga. 612 STRONG v. STATE You willing to bet all your rights on your ability to get a certified copy from ATF before your trial comes up. |
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Uh, because the ATF keeps a copy? Losing your copy of your form 1 (or 4) doesn't make you a felon. BSW Please accept my apology in advance, I've had a absolutely horrible day and am quickly losing faith in our government and the ability of people in general to be fair. In Georgia you must prove that you are entitled to possess the item. If you cannot prove it in a timely manner you will be a convicted felon. " It should be noted that the Criminal Code merely provides that theprosecution need not negative any exemption, whereas the Firearms Actcontains not only that provision but also prescribes that the burden ofproof of exemption shall be on the defendant." -246 Ga. 390 SIMMONS v. STATE As heretofore noted, the Firearms and Weapons Act (Code Ann. §26-9915a) does provide that ". . . the burden of proof of anyexception, excuse, proviso or exemption shall be upon the defendant." "It is not necessary for the State to negate any exemption orexceptions in this Chapter in any complaint, information, indictment orother pleading or in any trial, hearing, or other proceeding under thisChapter. The burden of proof is upon the person claiming it." -246 Ga. 612 STRONG v. STATE You willing to bet all your rights on your ability to get a certified copy from ATF before your trial comes up. Ok, that's fucked up. I have copies that I keep with my SBR and in my fire safe. For you all in GA I guess a sealed envelope mailed to relatives wouldn't hurt. BSW |
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Ok, that's fucked up. I have copies that I keep with my SBR and in my fire safe. For you all in GA I guess a sealed envelope mailed to relatives wouldn't hurt. BSW  
A safe deposit box is a great thing. 
Recommendations for storage that wouldn't necessarily be a default location on a warrant? |
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Well... I keep mine in a safe deposit at a bank. Sure they could say all safe deposits but it would take them a little while to find it as opposed to a safe in your house. I still haven't see na warrant speciafically list safe deposit boxes, but that doesn't mean it can't or doesn't happen. I just take a heightened interest in things I actually see people trying. A small safe at an in-laws house for us married guys (different last name) would also be harder to get to. A lawyer would be great BUT I'M NOT DOING IT.  I have to keep files for too long as it is and the bankers boxes are getting cumbersome.  |
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Uh, because the ATF keeps a copy? Losing your copy of your form 1 (or 4) doesn't make you a felon. BSW The registry is messed up. The ATF has admitted this. You are required to provide proof. You are guilty until you prove your innocence. People are in jail because of the registry being in error. |
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Ok, that's fucked up. I have copies that I keep with my SBR and in my fire safe. For you all in GA I guess a sealed envelope mailed to relatives wouldn't hurt. BSW
A safe deposit box is a great thing.
Recommendations for storage that wouldn't necessarily be a default location on a warrant? That is one of the reasons why the safe deposit box is in my wifes name and I only have access to it. |
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And this is why I don't have any NFA stuff and don't want any (especially now after reading this).  Just when you start to think they aren't really out to get you, they really seem to be out to get you. WTF.Always expect they are out to get you. You might be prepared and you wont be disappointed |
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And this is why I don't have any NFA stuff and don't want any (especially now after reading this). Just when you start to think they aren't really out to get you, they really seem to be out to get you. WTF.You post on this board. You think the federales don't already know everything they want to about you? Besides, NFA = More Fun! 
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You post on this board. You think the federales don't already know everything they want to about you? Yeah, I am sure they do. What they know is that I have a few perfectly legal, "no NFA paperwork required" and "nothing special about them at all" rifles and shotguns. I like my ATF agents to be strangers I hear about from my FFL-holding friends. YMMV. I am not brave enough to fly that close to the sun.
Nice Uzi in that pic. 
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Be sure to keep a copy of all of your tax stamps at a separate secure location from the NFA items. I've now seen a warrant on a unrelated charge (absolutely nothing to do with guns) require the seizure of all the NFA items at a location and all NFA tax documents. Of course, if they seize your tax stamps pursuant to a valid warrant and happen to lose them, how will you prove your legal possession... What was the unrelated charge? Anything, that if convicted would prevent his ownership of firearms? I'll have to look into a safety deposit box. I've never been too fond of them though. I like the idea of keeping a second secure safe at a relatives house. |
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I went to kinkos with my stamps, shrunk them down to the point that they are legible if you have really good eye sight, laminated them and keep them in my wallet with my totin' permit. Originals in a small safe well away from the items, and multiple copies in my gun cases and range bags.
And I have never once had anybody ask to see a copy.... |
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If you are feeling geeky, you can store your personal information encrypted online by emailing a copy to yourself or hiding a copy elsewhere online. A gmail or hotmail account works well, since you can access those from anywhere. If you're not comfortable storing the encrypted info online, many cell phones have microSD card slots you could place the encrypted files on. Just use a USB card reader to put the files on the card in a directory the phone ignores. In either case, use strong encryption with a long but memorable passphrase to protect your data. TrueCrypt makes it very easy to create a strongly encrypted file container that can hold multiple files. While a TrueCrypt container may be identifiable as an encrypted container to some experts, the data will be secure as long as you are not forced to provide the passphrase under duress. If need a heavy-duty tinfoil hat, you can use a tool such as Steghide. Steghide lets you embed a file (such as a PDF of your stamp or anything else) inside a JPEG file in such a way that it is impossible to prove that the data is embedded within the file. The JPEG with the data embedded looks just like it did before the data was hidden inside. To retrieve the embedded data, you must:
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