Posted: 5/22/2012 8:52:45 PM EDT
| Hey guys, just got my motorcycle learners permit and i want to take the MSF course. who on long island gives the best class? most professional? I'm in eastern nassau. I've checked Tramas website but it seems very unprofessional. Big Apple MC school seems better but its out in oakdale, rather than at Nassau Coliseum like Tramas is. Anyone take the class? Gimme some pointers! |
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| Took and passed Trama's course last week at Nassau Coliseum. Loved the class and it taught the fundamentals well. Honestly, their site looks like shit and there's a certain bit of rigamarole to registering for the class but it was well worth it. Let me know if you have any specific Q's. |
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Took and passed Trama's course last week at Nassau Coliseum. Loved the class and it taught the fundamentals well. Honestly, their site looks like shit and there's a certain bit of rigamarole to registering for the class but it was well worth it. Let me know if you have any specific Q's. Yeah what kind of Bike are you getting? 
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Took and passed Trama's course last week at Nassau Coliseum. Loved the class and it taught the fundamentals well. Honestly, their site looks like shit and there's a certain bit of rigamarole to registering for the class but it was well worth it. Let me know if you have any specific Q's. Yeah what kind of Bike are you getting? Hah, honestly whatever will get me around without getting my noob ass killed. I don't plan on going the 250cc starter bike route. Maybe a lower displacement Ducati Monster or SV650 with ABS if I can find one. |
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My buddy took the Tramas class. Said it was great when are you going to do it? probably within the next two months. i'll be in texas at the end of next month, so either before i leave, or after i get back. won't be buying a bike for at least a year or so unless i get a huge payraise, but i figured its something i'm interested in, might as well learn and be licensed so that good friends can let me ride around the block or something lol glenn said he took tramas class but like i said, the website is shit, so it made me a little leary |
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It's my understanding that if you get your motorcycle learners permit, and then take an official MSF course, you receive a voucher to take to the DMV that negates the need to take the road test for your license. Correct?
So you turn in your voucher and they hand you your motorcycle license? |
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It's my understanding that if you get your motorcycle learners permit, and then take an official MSF course, you receive a voucher to take to the DMV that negates the need to take the road test for your license. Correct? So you turn in your voucher and they hand you your motorcycle license? When my friend did the course a person was there on the last day from DMV and they did it right there. |
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It's my understanding that if you get your motorcycle learners permit, and then take an official MSF course, you receive a voucher to take to the DMV that negates the need to take the road test for your license. Correct? So you turn in your voucher and they hand you your motorcycle license? When my friend did the course a person was there on the last day from DMV and they did it right there. Cool. I knew that they put you through a road course similar to what you would have to do on the road test, but I didn't know they actually have DMV employees present sometimes. I'm looking to take the course soon too, and was wondering. |
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It's my understanding that if you get your motorcycle learners permit, and then take an official MSF course, you receive a voucher to take to the DMV that negates the need to take the road test for your license. Correct? So you turn in your voucher and they hand you your motorcycle license? When my friend did the course a person was there on the last day from DMV and they did it right there. Cool. I knew that they put you through a road course similar to what you would have to do on the road test, but I didn't know they actually have DMV employees present sometimes. I'm looking to take the course soon too, and was wondering. We didn't have the DMV employee present unfortunately. I have to venture into Herald Square today to get my full MC license. On a side note, the DMV is proof positive that government shouldn't be responsible for anything important, ever... |
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Tramas is a great class. I took it two years ago. Three days total, one evening is in the classroom in Massapequa, half a day at SUNY Farmingdale and a written test back in the classroom (if you have half a brain it is simple), the last day is a little practice and the practical at Farmingdale again. At the end of the third day you get your waiver card, then to the DMV to submit your card and then the endorsement is added to your license. If you have any riding experience the class should be cake.
The class is pricey but if you want to avoid the DMV road test, IMHO, it is the way to go. |
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It's my understanding that if you get your motorcycle learners permit, and then take an official MSF course, you receive a voucher to take to the DMV that negates the need to take the road test for your license. Correct? So you turn in your voucher and they hand you your motorcycle license? If you can pass the MSF riding course final, you'd be able to ace any DMV riding test in the US, that's the reason for the voucher. The course will teach you to be a better rider than many that have had licenses for years, with no professional instruction. |
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It's my understanding that if you get your motorcycle learners permit, and then take an official MSF course, you receive a voucher to take to the DMV that negates the need to take the road test for your license. Correct? So you turn in your voucher and they hand you your motorcycle license? If you can pass the MSF riding course final, you'd be able to ace any DMV riding test in the US, that's the reason for the voucher. The course will teach you to be a better rider than many that have had licenses for years, with no professional instruction. Yeah, thats what i keep hearing. That the course gives you tools to use no matter what your riding skill level is. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Another vote for Trama's. Others are right on - the site looks terrible, and the registration process is annoying, but the class was good, and the instructors I had were excellent. Most people in my class (around 80%?) passed the riding practical with no problem, including some who, like me, had never even been on a bike before. A few did have problems, but IIRC correctly, were older and couldn't handle the small school bike, or dropped it, etc.
One word of advice if you go the Trama's route - make sure you're on time, have all the materials, properly registered, etc. They have a pretty high volume and will cancel no-shows or those who miss sessions out of the class. Overall, pricey, but definitely worth it as a new rider or someone looking to avoid the DMV test. |
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So to sign up for the Tramas class you need to get your learners permit first correct? yea, its a very easy test. if you're gonna get yours, i'll hold off on the test and we can go together.  When do you wanna go? depending on finances, i'd say probably the 1st weekend of july? 6, 7, 8? |
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Have we got a tentative date on the arfcom group motorcycle trek up to HQ yet?  Next spring sometime on this for me Hopefully |
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Have we got a tentative date on the arfcom group motorcycle trek up to HQ yet? Next spring sometime on this for me Hopefully Sweeeeeeeet. I gotta somehow find side bags that'll fit a disassembled 14.5" AR & some mags on this: 
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Thanks MAG162. I posted it in the EE under Vehicles and Bikes. I'm not sure of the rules of posting links to your own EE ads in threads.............but I see people posting links to other people's EE ads all the time, so I'll post yours here: 
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_140/1000831_2003_Honda_VTX1300R___Black_Chrome_spoked_wheels.html I see you say "Pics upon request". I'd just post them directly in the ad. People love looking at stuff they're interested in buying. If you don't already have one, get a Photo Bucket account (it's free) and host your pics and load them into your ad. Pictures sell, and not having to wait for someone to email them to you is always a plus. I know for me personally, I tend to just skip over ads without pics, unless it's a smoking deal. Just my opinion. |
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I'm a loooong way from LI but I can offer some verified info: I operate one of the MSF training sites upstate.
NYS law requires all NY residents who attend the class to have a M Learners Permit. If you have an existing car license and a M permit, and provided you pass the written and skills evaluations you will be given a waiver. The waiver means you do not need to do a NYS road test. The waiver enables you to go to DMW, and have your M endorsement added to your license. The skills evaluation is relatively easy for most. Those that do have trouble typically fall into one of two groups: 1) Men over 55 and ladies over 50. I've had plenty of successfull older riders in the course, and my current 'record' is 80+, but overall there is a direct and strong co-relation: age and failures in the BRC are linked. 2) The second group who do not do well are those few people (maybe 3-5%) who are either very uncoordinated, overthink every action and generally have trouble with most physical tasks. Successful motorcycling is a skill of the eyes and mind, and many people simply cannot multitask to the extent required to ride well. If you are one of those people who have trouble riding a bike, skiing, playing tennisd and every other sport or interest, better forget motorcycles and take up gardening or photography. People in either group see higher failure rates but to be honest, its probably a good thing. If you cannot "pass" the BRC skills eval after a course, its likely a good indication that your odds of being involved in a serious motorcycle crash are significantly higher than average. During the skills eval you could make what would be a critical error, or completely fail to demonstrate a life saving skill like braking, cornering or swerving and STILL get the waiver. If you start making two, three or more BIG mistakes on a stress-free, traffic-free, controlled environment like a closed off parking lot, you probably will end up hurt on the real road. Pointers: When you get the book (or the email confirmation that includes the link to the book), read it. Start answering the questions in the back, paying special attention to the questions in bold.. Do not be late. Do not miss a session. Treat it like an airplane ride or a rock concert. If you are late or miss your flight, its all over. Tough luck. I am required to ensure that you attend ALL parts of the course. Show up at 8:10 instead of 8;00 on Saturday morning and I cannot let you ride the bikes. Its too bad, so sad, all over. Do not wear Harley davidson black or worse yet, a black short sleeve tee and a leather jacket. You will not pass. Heat stroke will get you. Wear a light colored long sleeve tee and layers. If its hot you need to be able to strip down to manage heat. BRING WATER AND SNACKS. Remaining hydrated, cool and comfortable dramatically increase your learning and fun. Do bring comfortable over the ankle boots, preferrably ones that are NOT big huge steel toed affairs, and ones that do not have a huge heel. Mid hikers work great. Some of what you will learn in the course may well contradict some myth you heard somewhere else. Yes, there are TONS of complete garbage BS myths out there. Motorcycling has a TON of 'em. Ingore whatever the hell Uncle Buck or your brother in law told you. Listen to the coaches and if they offer a suggestion, try it. HUGE HINT: The first 6 exercises (out of 17) stress Friction Zone. This ought to be a huge clue that "friction zone" is a fundamental skill. What is "friction zone"? In other words, its riding the clutch. I don't care what Dad taught you when you learned to ride a manual tranny car: In order to ride well and do well in the class you MUST learn to ride the clutch (No, you won't hurt the clutch no matter what anyone else tells you - 99% of bikes run with a wet clutch designed for this). You want to be able to slowly easy the clutch out until the clutch just begins to transmit partial power to the rear wheel, and then hold it there momentarily. This partial power makes for smooth starts and great slow speed control. If you have a bike start it up, get it into first gear, place both feet on the ground as eaaaase the clutch out very slowly. As the bike pulls forward just a few inches, pull the clutch back in maybe 1/4", just enough to disconnect the clutch and remove power. Roll the bike backwards a few inches, ease the clutch out a tad and let the bike pull forward again. Repeat this rocking in place repeatedly. It's great practice finding and learning your friction zone. Then ALWAYS ease the clutch out slowly, every time. Treat it like a full bottle of CocaCola thats been shook up. If you yank the cap off quickly, you will get hosed. But if you ease the cap off slowly you can control the release of gases and not get hosed. Same technique for your clutch. People who always ease the clutch out do well. People who sometimes forget and start letting the clutch fly loose often end up out of control, some what uncomfortable and generally suck in the course. The clutch is NOT an on-off switch.... There you go. You have the really basic fundamental skill (or at least one of them) used extensively in exercises 2,3,4,6,10 and 17 and the skill eval. Fro |