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Posted: 10/21/2004 6:08:05 PM EDT
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Yes, they are.
More info here ... http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=8&f=11&t=182466 |
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Posted: 10/21/2004 8:48:57 PM EDT
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legal? yes.
should you buy one? no. i was at turners today picking up 2 sks's and during the hour of paperwork i asked to fondle the su16. i found it to be cheaply built. the plastic sights felt like they would break off very easy. i am glad to get 2 sks's for less money than the su16. if you have ar15 mags then wait for something better to come out. some guys at calguns.net are working on it right now. i also heard that keltec is coming out with a new model with metal sights. |
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Posted: 10/21/2004 11:01:36 PM EDT
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I held one in a store and it fely cheap to me. I shot a friend's and was not impressed. It feels flimsy and cheap.
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Posted: 10/21/2004 11:25:16 PM EDT
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My friend had one before he passed away but never got a chance to shoot the little thing but have to admit I did like it and he raved on and on about it. Has to be the smallest rifle Ive ever seen excluding sbr's and his took glock mags which is a plus if you own a glock but I think they also make them for S&W mags to.
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Posted: 10/22/2004 12:53:08 AM EDT
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because when its folded it is inoperable its more of a break down rifle instead of a folding stock. I hear that they are coming out with one that has much better sights the Su-16B, if you want one wait for that. |
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Posted: 10/22/2004 1:25:13 AM EDT
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If you are near Oceanside go to Iron Sights and rent one there, I did and was not very impressed. Maybe because I had my AR there too shoot also. The SU16 felt cheap and the range master said the factory bolt only lasted about a week before they had to replace it with a Bushy bolt they had in the back, he said the same thing about the factory mags it came with. But if it is your only option and you stock piled some mags it would be ok for a plinker.
It did have the rail to put better optics on because the sites did suck, and the integral bi-pod was pretty lame also |
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Posted: 10/22/2004 2:47:25 PM EDT
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you can also purchase the Robinsons Arms (
http://www.robarm.com) M96 in the California edition that takes AR15 mags http://www.robarm.com/m96_california_recon_carbine.htm |
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Posted: 10/22/2004 2:51:54 PM EDT
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do you have a link to what they guys are working on at calguns.net....i would love to see it 
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Posted: 10/22/2004 5:15:17 PM EDT
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i don't know how to do a link but you can just go to calguns.net then enter the forums at the bottom right. click on the riflemans forum and the thread is "rifle idea". i don't know how long it would take for anything to come of it but atleast it is a hope for us in california.
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Posted: 10/22/2004 5:19:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/23/2004 1:19:45 AM EDT
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Don't you think it's a wrong move to make the barrel THAT thin???
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Posted: 11/1/2004 7:35:41 AM EDT
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Both Volquartsen and Remington will be introducing 223 rifles that accept the AR-15 magazines. The Volquartsen Evolution is semiauto and costs around $2000.00. The Remington is a pump action patterned after the 7600, I guess it's called the 7615.
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Posted: 11/1/2004 7:36:18 AM EDT
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Oh yeah, they're both Kali legal....
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Posted: 11/1/2004 12:28:25 PM EDT
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i think ur talking about the kel tec s2000...thats the one that takes the handugn magazines and is not allowed because it has a pistol grip.. I REALLy wish we could have one of those in california. Would work well with the hi cap glock mags i have. 
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Posted: 11/1/2004 2:29:21 PM EDT
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Evolution rifle - pretty damn nice!! www.volquartsen.com/evolution.htm [made link hot - Paul] |
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Posted: 11/1/2004 6:52:27 PM EDT
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 Introducing Volquartsen's first semi-auto centerfire rifle - the EVOLUTION. We will be updating this page with improved photos and additional information in the coming weeks so check back for more info. The receiver is completely CNC machined from a solid billet of stainless steel. In addition, all of the internal components are also CNC machined including the trigger guard, bolt, etc. It will be available in both the .223 and the new .204 Ruger. The semi-auto rifle will be gas operated and use an AR15 or compatible magazine. The suggested retail price of this rifle is $1,931.00. We are currently looking at late summer 2004 production. The Evolution will only be available through our distributors. We will be updating this page constantly with distributors that will be carrying this rilfe. If you have any questions on this rifle, please email us at [email protected] for more info. Figure $1500 or so in the gun store. I don't think it's going to take too long before synthetic stocks are available. Looks like a winner to me - at least they couldn't be as bad as the Ruger Mini-14 as Volquartsen has a reputation for really good 10/22 parts and barrels. The price is kind of steep but they'll not face much competition here. |
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Posted: 11/1/2004 8:54:40 PM EDT
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WOW!! That is freakin expensive!
 It must be one hell of a tack driver to ask that much. I can understand taking advantage of the supply/demand thing, but outside of cali. who's gonna pay THAT much for a .223? In the United States, you can build two AR's for that price. $1,500 and you can get a M14 type of your choice in cali. I know Volquartsen is HIGH quality, and I wouldn't expect any different with this rifle, but damn....at least give me some iron back up sights. Don't get me wrong. I like the looks of the rifle, I'm sure it'll knock the nuts off a gnat at 300yrds., I'm sure it's quality...but I'm also sure they would sell ALOT more if they were closer to $1,000 or less, in or out of cali. (oh yeah, and how about those iron sights?).
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Posted: 11/2/2004 9:37:20 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/2/2004 1:01:59 PM EDT
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It's nice that the Volquartsen accepts detachable AR15/M16 style magazines, however as others have pointed out, I'm not sure that the convenience is worth the price tage. Besides, what's the point if I already own an AR? I can just use my high-capacity magazines in the true "assault weapon" which I already own.
It seems like they are targetting folks who own an AR along with high capacity magazines. I honestly can't see someone purchasing the thing if they don't already have high-cap magazines. It seems like the rifle has a limited market. Also, I'm not that attracted to the drop between the receiver and barell, does anyone else find that "off" for some reason? Edited to add: It looks like an obese Ruger 10/22. One too many McDonald burgers. |
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Posted: 11/3/2004 9:51:06 AM EDT
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