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Posted: 6/13/2009 8:54:38 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/13/2009 11:30:42 PM EST by JS98010]
I posted this in GD as well, but would like the WA HTF perspective. I'm just needy like that!





I live in a 30-home subdivision in one of the more rural cities in King County, Washington. My wife & I have been living here for nearly six years and pretty much keep to ourselves. It's a nice little place to live.

The very first time we came through here, we were house-shopping. I saw a decorative sign at the entrance to this subdivision and the first thought to come to mind was "Home Owners' Association". Upon further research, it was determined that one did not exist.

Back when this place was built, supposedly an HOA was to have been established by the developer. That did not happen.

For well over five and a half years, all was peachy.

Towards the latter half of last month, one of the neighbors (the neighborhood busybody) took it upon herself to determine that the entrance sign to the subdivision was old and no longer serviceable. She came door-to-door and told everyone that she got an estimate to replace the carved & painted wooden sign with one made from stone. My wife answered the door, I was out of sight in the kitchen eating lunch but was able to hear every syllable. She told my wife that the cost per household was to be $100 and a new entrance sign would not only improve our property values but inspire everyone to maintain their yards better. My wife rebutted with a reference to a house close to the entrance to our subdivision that is very unkempt. There's grass growing out of control, competing with blackberries, boarded-up windows and some roof shingles missing from the nearly 20-year-old house. That's when Ms. Busybody told my wife that she's approached the city and county about getting that house condemned. Since we don't have an HOA, Ms. Busybody said that if everyone in the neighborhood got onboard a petition, we could get the house condemned and have the property turned into a park.

My wife told her that she needed to discuss the matter with her husband (me) and they parted ways. I told my wife that I heard all and said, "Do we really need to spend three grand on a fucking rock?" That's all it took to convince my wife to see things my way.

About a week later, while I was at drill with my ANG unit, Ms. Busybody returned with the following flier. I copied it straight from Adobe (I scanned it). Yes, this crazy woman believes one ought to capitalize every single word in the English language.

Hi REDACTED Residents!
I Had The Pleasure Of Speaking With Some Of You In The Past Few Days
About Our Entrance Sign. In Case I Missed You I Would Like To Explain What
Will Be A Group Effort In Replacing And Landscaping 'The Front Of Our
Development. Not Only Will This Improve The Look Of The Neighborhood
Upon Entrance To The Development, It Will Improve Our Home Value Making
It A More Desirable Place To Live And Beautify Our Neighborhood And
Establish Pride To Our Little Tight Knit Community Within REDACTED.

I Have Gotten An Estimate From A Local Sign Specialist And Have Called A
Local Company REDACTED Just Down The Road To Get Some Estimates For Rock
And Landscape Materials. What We Are Proposing To Do Is Replace The
Existing Sign With A Large Stone Carved One That Sits On A Rockery With A
Dry Riverbed And Low Maintenance Plants With Some Landscape Stones.

In Order To Keep The Prices Down So That This Would Be Affordable For All,
Some Of The Work Would Have To Be Done Ourselves Rather Than Hiring It
Out. We Have Already Had A Few Volunteers Come Forward In This Effort To
Beautify Our Neighborhood For All.

I Have Estimates For The Permit, Signage, And The Landscaping. Pooling All
Of Our Monies Together Will Help Pay For These Landscape Features.
Working As A Team Means That All The Work And Expense Responsibilities
Does Not Fall On Any One Person. I Have Also Included A Picture Of What The
End Result Will Look Like. The Money Will Be Collected Upon Everyone's
Approval In The Neighborhood. Each Home In REDACTED Is To Split The
Cost And Any Monies Leftover In The End Will Be Split Between The
Contributors Evenly.

The Estimated Total Cost Is $3,187.00 Dollars. Out Of The People That I Have
Spoken With If Each Household Contributes $125.00 Dollars We Should Have
Sufficient Funds To Complete The Project. Of Course These Figure Can
Change If Anyone Were To Back Out.

The Money Will Be Collected By June 1, 2009. This Then Will Allow Us To
Place Our Order And Start 'The Ground Preparation For The New Sign. Money
Can Be Dropped Off To REDACTED Or REDACTED At REDACTED ADDRESS AND
PHONE NUMBER

Thank You For Your Contributions!!

My wife politely told her that we were not going to participate in this endeavor and broke off immediately. I'm not sure if she bladed at 45 degrees, or even had a massive adreneline dump.

This past Wednesday, Ms. Busybody had the audacity to again come door-to-door and solicit cash or check. My wife told her again that we were not playing along. This is when things got interesting. Apparently, when walking away down my driveway, Ms. Busybody muttered something about how "everyone else is going to have to contribute more" to offset our non-participation. My wife let loose. She told Ms. Busybody that she didn't appreciate hearing that shit on our property and told her that we know for a fact that there are other neighbors not contributing. I came outside at that point. Ms. Busybody flashed us an envelope full of money and said that everyone else is paying. I retorted with, "Well, they do say a sucker is born every minute." Ms. Busybody didn't like that.

I had two theories as to why Ms. Busybody decided to take on this little project. First, I thought that they were going to sell within six months and are trying to eke out every cent they could from the sale of their home. The second, more remote idea I hade was that she's grooming her resume to run for office. Well today, my second theory has been realised. A neighbor has a banner on the front of their house proclaiming "Ms. Busybody for REDACTED City Council".

I will update when the letters to the editors I have written get published.

What sayeth the Hive Mind?

In before: Move out, That's what you get for living there (city / country / county / state / time zone), SSS, etc.




Link Posted: 6/13/2009 9:30:13 PM EST
What is there to do? There isn't a HOA and I sure hope they can't impose one on you. They can't force you to pay. So what if a bunch of your neighbors are gomers? I suppose you could start an anti-sign campaign, that might be kinda fun if you have the time

We're in a not-so-similar situation here. We live down a 1/4 mile dirt road owned by the property owners, not the county. Every once and a while there is talk of paving it over. Ain't no way I'm going to pay for that. I like living down the end of a dirt road, keeps out the riff-raff, and I've got better things to spend my money on. We do chip in money and help (when asked) for gravel to fill in the pot holes, so its not like we don't participate in upkeep.

Link Posted: 6/13/2009 9:49:59 PM EST
Sounds like you have a nice rock sign berm to place your target rack in front of.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 10:00:54 PM EST
Originally Posted By libertynews:
What is there to do? There isn't a HOA and I sure hope they can't impose one on you. They can't force you to pay. So what if a bunch of your neighbors are gomers? I suppose you could start an anti-sign campaign, that might be kinda fun if you have the time

We're in a not-so-similar situation here. We live down a 1/4 mile dirt road owned by the property owners, not the county. Every once and a while there is talk of paving it over. Ain't no way I'm going to pay for that. I like living down the end of a dirt road, keeps out the riff-raff, and I've got better things to spend my money on. We do chip in money and help (when asked) for gravel to fill in the pot holes, so its not like we don't participate in upkeep.





My neighbors are a bunch of shit-birds.
I too live on a dirt road, and like it that way.
Everybody bitches about the road when the potholes get big, but none of them actually fill the potholes in but me.
A few try to "grade" the road...unfortunately, since their isn't very much gravel on the road anyway, all they actually succeed in doing is smearing the mud around a little and the potholes are back a couple of days later.
I have to go around and fill the potholes with 5/8" minus myself from my gravel pile because these cheap-assed useless bastard neighbors of mine absolutely refuse to spend a stinking dime to keep up the road.

Just reaffirms my long held opinion about most of humanity...
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 11:06:11 PM EST

Originally Posted By libertynews:
What is there to do? There isn't a HOA and I sure hope they can't impose one on you. They can't force you to pay.


Exactly.
If they can impose an HOA, I think I'd make ol' Strat look like a kindergarten teacher.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 11:15:59 PM EST
Originally Posted By JS98010:

Originally Posted By libertynews:
What is there to do? There isn't a HOA and I sure hope they can't impose one on you. They can't force you to pay.


Exactly.
If they can impose an HOA, I think I'd make ol' Strat look like a kindergarten teacher.

If he didn't sign an agreement to participate in an HOA when he purchased his home there's nothing they can do to him now. HOA's have their pro's and con's.
I personally would never be involved with one.

Link Posted: 6/13/2009 11:19:35 PM EST

Originally Posted By DoberDude:

If he didn't sign an agreement to participate in an HOA when he purchased his home there's nothing they can do to him now. HOA's have their pro's and con's.
I personally would never be involved with one.


I guarandamntee that there is no such document and my hand has never laid on any such document.
Ms. Busybody's wet-dream is to have an HOA. She can go pound sand.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 9:51:08 AM EST
Meh... Next time she knocks on the door, answer it in the nude.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 11:22:01 AM EST
Fuck them and fuck Mrs. Busybody. She sounds like an annoying bitch.

I suggest takin' a crap on her front porch in the wee hours of the morning.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 12:41:36 PM EST
no NOA recorded(check puplic records)......ya dont have to do jack shit if you dont want to. Even if there was an old one, unless its been in use(meetings, dues ect) over a certain period of time(and it sure sounds like it not, if ever was) the HOA dies. Many HOA from the 70-80's are dieing off and to be honest you can tell the difference. Me I got crap all over my place...I know where i belong.

HOA have there pluses and minus(too much so, always a freakin nazi in the group) but do tend to keep up a nieghborhood better. Some of the rural ones are not bad as they are pretty darn loose and if there is a road(paved) its a good thing(to at least have a road maintence agreement) Because of what I do, I have had to be VP of more than a few HOA...........and it DRIVES ME NUTS!!!!! I just want to get up and slap the asstards
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 1:23:41 PM EST
The way to find out which side of right you are on is so easy. Go to the title company that did your closing, and ask them for a copy of the CC&R's for REDACTED homes. Everything you need to know about how the HOA works is in there. Don't forget that CC&R's run with the land, and the only way to remove them is if _every_ owner agrees to the action. Any questions about the CC&R's should be answered by an attorney.

Good luck.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 1:26:43 PM EST
Originally Posted By Powderfinger:
Meh... Next time she knocks on the door, answer it in the nude.


Open carry?
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 8:52:39 PM EST
No HOA? Tell Ms Busybody to take a flying fuck at a rolling donut.



Link Posted: 6/15/2009 3:54:00 AM EST
I'm builing my house on 5 acres, so I don't care. No offense meant.
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 4:54:00 AM EST
still might be CCR's.....I know a ton of 5 acre tracks with them

Originally Posted By AMESO:
I'm builing my house on 5 acres, so I don't care. No offense meant.


Link Posted: 6/15/2009 5:11:23 AM EST
tag for later reading
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 5:48:15 AM EST
I fucking hate HOA's. Ours is a complete FUBAR mess. Dues started at $100 per year. No biggie. Similar Mrs. Busybody (also street gossip) became HOA president and raised the dues to $250 a year with only her little group of cronies at one of the annual meetings. Ok, $250 per YEAR is still not bad, until you see the budget... ~66% of our dues go to a Management company. We are a single street community of 42 houses, so of the 10k that is coming in $6,500 is going to some company to schedule an annual meeting and send to notices to people because their yard is unkept. Another ~25% goes into a fund to repave our cul-de-sac's that are not city streets. These are roads used by 6 houses and the blacktop has a 20 year life. I'm REALLY happy that about 10% of my money (an entire $25) actually goes to maintaining our Community Sign, and water retention pond. At one of our last meetings, we had a similar discussion about our community sign, I told them I'd be happy to cut it down and get rid of it so that no one had to maintain it.
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 7:10:22 AM EST
What disturbs me most is how she wants to forcibly evict someone from their own home.
She's also running for city council. Not HOA. City. Fucking. Council.

They make budgets and ordinances. You know, with a mayor and shit?
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 7:16:36 AM EST
After seeing my inlaws informed that their Christmas lights had been left up too long, on January 2nd, by the HOA of a neighborhood they lived in at the time, I don't think I could ever subject myself to that sort of oversight. I would either wind up with a huge lien against my home or, more likely, the neighborhood Nazis would end up missing and presumably dead.
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 7:23:57 AM EST

Originally Posted By Boomer:
After seeing my inlaws informed that their Christmas lights had been left up too long, on January 2nd, by the HOA of a neighborhood they lived in at the time, I don't think I could ever subject myself to that sort of oversight. I would either wind up with a huge lien against my home or, more likely, the neighborhood Nazis would end up missing and presumably dead.


You don't happen to have the address to which I can order a subscription to any newsletter you might offer do you?
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 8:24:58 AM EST
sounds like you need to find a species of endangered beetle release it on the sign and take pictures, then when she runs for office let the local newspaper run a story about her assault on endangered species you led the resistance against. Of course the same article could point out her attempts to forcibly extract payment etc.. oh by the way, she killed the endangered beetle species while cleaning around the sign.
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