Quoted: On september 11th no less. (*SIGH*)
It's illegal to shoot from vehicles in WI, per the hunting regs. Uncased firearm in vehicle.
They've been known to write that ticket to folks who oped the case in the trunk to hand a gun out as a hunting party was embarking. They've also writen that ticket to folks who took the cased arm out of the car, uncased it, leaned it against the car, put case back in trunk. It is their number one violation, so don't post pics.
Half a shoot house sounds cool, but probably too elaborate. I also think the idea will scare most property owners. It'd scare me if I had a lot to lose. Letting you shoot there is different than letting a bunch of unknown folks play dangerous live-fire commando games there. No way I'd give you a blank-check go ahead at any place I owned. I'd have to micro manage things until my butt unpuckered.
Where is it? My participation level will be heavily based on travel time.
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Well, ok I took a whirl wind tour of Black River Falls, I am back having not done the job, yet.
Anyway, TJ I understand your concerns. I have heard the same things about game wardens and assorted stories about leaning firearms against vehicles. I certainly do not want to break the law. I am interested in researching the specifics on this type of training with local law enforcement. I am not completely clear on every single aspect.
The property is just outside of Hustisford. Hustisford is approx 32 miles north of the connector ramp of I-94 and HWY16 in Waukesha.
As for the property and the owner. The owner is family. While I don't exactly have Carte Blanch in the pit It is pretty close to that. I have done as many improvements as I have wanted, without asking. This includes using earth moving equipment to make things nice. A Bobcat mind you, I was not moving 30 yards at a time. I wish
Anyway I have on several occasions had better than 16 people in the pit shooting for hours and hours. I ALWAYS asked if it was ok long before hand. Each time I was told that I did not need to ask. I always felt it was a courtesy. I have also tried to help out around the farm and fix some machinery, replace pipes, fix fencing and such. I never felt like I could do to much for them. They always said I never needed to do anything. Saftey is a top concern. I would still feel obligated to ask them about it, I do however think it would be ok. The only hard sell might shooting from a moving vehicle. Which may be moot anyway because of the law. I can say that when they sight in their rifles for deer season. It is done from the hood of the truck.
The half of a shoot house is actually not as difficult as it may sound. A 2X4 frame with some OSB sheeting screwed to it is about all you need. When I say windows I don't actually mean windows. I mean a square or rectangle hole cut in the OSB. An 8X8 false wall with a 3X6 hole cut in it could make up a faux interior wall w/doorway. Again I have 10 target stands. add a few strategically placed small walls, (2'X4') and a few barrels and a small card table would be all you really need to get up and running. A old heavy door could be hinged in such a fasion that with a special latch the it could take the abuse of being kicked and once kicked a ruedamentary latch would keep it in it's open position.
As for the liability that is why we would have a couple graves.....errr I mean fox holes on site so if tommy tent peg get's whacked we throw him in said gra..fox hole and he can take an eternal dirt nap.
Seriously I don't know how I would handle the liability issue. I know acidents happen, but quitefrankly I am not just going to let anyone shoot here. I have to trust them, and feel comfortable in knowing the they can handle themselves. This in and of itself does not ,ean I need to forget about liability. It just means there would be less of a chance for a liability issue to arise.
I do appreciate the comments and questions TJ. If anyone else wants to speak. Please do so.
Todd