Posted: 12/13/2008 2:12:29 PM EDT
| It has probably been asked before, but when it says "If someone asks to see your permit you are suppose to show them." Is it anybody that asks or is it just police, or the bussiness owner and so on? |
| if it's a joe shmoe who has no reason too then you don't have to show it to them... The only time you need to provide it is for LEO (who should have a reason to ask for it), gun dealer selling you a gun, and maybe in a FTF of a fire arm... no one else should have reason to ask for it. |
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The only reason a person ("Joe Blow") would ask is if you had 'printed' or otherwise exposed your weapon...in which case, discretion says to aknowledge having a permit.
Otherwise, you'll probably end up having to show it to a LEO because when Joe Blow calls it in, he's gonna say "..has a pistol hidden on him." Something to think about before getting all snotty. |
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The only reason a person ("Joe Blow") would ask is if you had 'printed' or otherwise exposed your weapon...in which case, discretion says to aknowledge having a permit. Otherwise, you'll probably end up having to show it to a LEO because when Joe Blow calls it in, he's gonna say "..has a pistol hidden on him." Something to think about before getting all snotty. Beat me to it. I was just going to say something similar. I'd rather just show my cpl then make a quick exit instead of having a couple of cops thinking they have the next mall shooter after someone calls in a panic about the man with a gun. |
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The only reason a person ("Joe Blow") would ask is if you had 'printed' or otherwise exposed your weapon...in which case, discretion says to aknowledge having a permit. Otherwise, you'll probably end up having to show it to a LEO because when Joe Blow calls it in, he's gonna say "..has a pistol hidden on him." Something to think about before getting all snotty. Thank you. The question was always stuck in my head after reading the CPL book. I know better then to say "Hey everybody look at my gun." I don't want anyone to know I have it on me. (Something to think about before getting all snotty) Hopefully you were talking about if someone asked to see. 
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When we were having our "gas thief" moment a month or so back, I e-mailed the Thurston Co Sheriffs Office asking them the same question...
Since I knew who it was, what gun they are carrying, if they had a CPL, etc, I asked the Sheriff if I could revoke the CPL/privileges/weapon from the individual until the cops showed... They said that it would be fine and perfectly legal and she would have to give it up when asked, but of course not to confront the person if possible... I agree with the confrontation but living way out here, the cops won't be here in time, I'm stoppin' the foo! |
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When we were having our "gas thief" moment a month or so back, I e-mailed the Thurston Co Sheriffs Office asking them the same question... Since I knew who it was, what gun they are carrying, if they had a CPL, etc, I asked the Sheriff if I could revoke the CPL/privileges/weapon from the individual until the cops showed... They said that it would be fine and perfectly legal and she would have to give it up when asked, but of course not to confront the person if possible... I agree with the confrontation but living way out here, the cops won't be here in time, I'm stoppin' the foo! What's a foo?[>:/] |
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When we were having our "gas thief" moment a month or so back, I e-mailed the Thurston Co Sheriffs Office asking them the same question... Since I knew who it was, what gun they are carrying, if they had a CPL, etc, I asked the Sheriff if I could revoke the CPL/privileges/weapon from the individual until the cops showed... They said that it would be fine and perfectly legal and she would have to give it up when asked, but of course not to confront the person if possible... I agree with the confrontation but living way out here, the cops won't be here in time, I'm stoppin' the foo! What's a foo?[>:/] Ebonics for fool? I.E. someones sister... Someone I may be married to... You know who it is... |
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The only reason a person ("Joe Blow") would ask is if you had 'printed' or otherwise exposed your weapon...in which case, discretion says to aknowledge having a permit. Otherwise, you'll probably end up having to show it to a LEO because when Joe Blow calls it in, he's gonna say "..has a pistol hidden on him." Something to think about before getting all snotty. If I printed and joeblow wanted to see my permit, he will probaby be told "no" in a manner appropriate to the situation. It's not illegal for me to be packing. It's not illegal for me to print, although I do realize it's not a good idea and I try to avoid being made. If I have to talk to Officer Stadanko because I frightened a sheep, well, Stadank better be close by if he wants to talk.
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The only reason a person ("Joe Blow") would ask is if you had 'printed' or otherwise exposed your weapon...in which case, discretion says to aknowledge having a permit. Otherwise, you'll probably end up having to show it to a LEO because when Joe Blow calls it in, he's gonna say "..has a pistol hidden on him." Something to think about before getting all snotty. Beat me to it. I was just going to say something similar. I'd rather just show my cpl then make a quick exit instead of having a couple of cops thinking they have the next mall shooter after someone calls in a panic about the man with a gun. This is the way I feel. But he can LOOK at my permit, he cannot hold it. |
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The only reason a person ("Joe Blow") would ask is if you had 'printed' or otherwise exposed your weapon...in which case, discretion says to aknowledge having a permit. Otherwise, you'll probably end up having to show it to a LEO because when Joe Blow calls it in, he's gonna say "..has a pistol hidden on him." Something to think about before getting all snotty. Beat me to it. I was just going to say something similar. I'd rather just show my cpl then make a quick exit instead of having a couple of cops thinking they have the next mall shooter after someone calls in a panic about the man with a gun. This is the way I feel. But he can LOOK at my permit, he cannot hold it. Are you guys serious? Are you going to show your drivers license to the next guy that flipps you off on the road because he thinks you can't drive? |
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The only reason a person ("Joe Blow") would ask is if you had 'printed' or otherwise exposed your weapon...in which case, discretion says to aknowledge having a permit. Otherwise, you'll probably end up having to show it to a LEO because when Joe Blow calls it in, he's gonna say "..has a pistol hidden on him." Something to think about before getting all snotty. Beat me to it. I was just going to say something similar. I'd rather just show my cpl then make a quick exit instead of having a couple of cops thinking they have the next mall shooter after someone calls in a panic about the man with a gun. This is the way I feel. But he can LOOK at my permit, he cannot hold it. Are you guys serious? Are you going to show your drivers license to the next guy that flipps you off on the road because he thinks you can't drive? For me, if it's out of the blue, hells no... But if there is a valid reason, don't know what that would be yet, then yes... |
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When we were having our "gas thief" moment a month or so back, I e-mailed the Thurston Co Sheriffs Office asking them the same question... Since I knew who it was, what gun they are carrying, if they had a CPL, etc, I asked the Sheriff if I could revoke the CPL/privileges/weapon from the individual until the cops showed... They said that it would be fine and perfectly legal and she would have to give it up when asked, but of course not to confront the person if possible... I agree with the confrontation but living way out here, the cops won't be here in time, I'm stoppin' the foo! What's a foo?[>:/] Ebonics for fool? I.E. someones sister... Someone I may be married to... You know who it is... Never took Ebonics Neo. I guess that is what they teach you younger foos. 
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The only reason a person ("Joe Blow") would ask is if you had 'printed' or otherwise exposed your weapon...in which case, discretion says to aknowledge having a permit. Otherwise, you'll probably end up having to show it to a LEO because when Joe Blow calls it in, he's gonna say "..has a pistol hidden on him." Something to think about before getting all snotty. Beat me to it. I was just going to say something similar. I'd rather just show my cpl then make a quick exit instead of having a couple of cops thinking they have the next mall shooter after someone calls in a panic about the man with a gun. This is the way I feel. But he can LOOK at my permit, he cannot hold it. Are you guys serious? Are you going to show your drivers license to the next guy that flipps you off on the road because he thinks you can't drive? For me, if it's out of the blue, hells no... But if there is a valid reason, don't know what that would be yet, then yes... My CPL sayeth: "...and shall display the same upon demand to any police officer or to any other person when and if required by law to do so." I guess this beggs the question: Who has authority to demand CPL presentation besides the police? I don't think I'm to far out on the limb in saying that joeblow doesn't quaify. I do however see the benefit of not having to deal with the police. |
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The only reason a person ("Joe Blow") would ask is if you had 'printed' or otherwise exposed your weapon...in which case, discretion says to aknowledge having a permit. Otherwise, you'll probably end up having to show it to a LEO because when Joe Blow calls it in, he's gonna say "..has a pistol hidden on him." Something to think about before getting all snotty. Beat me to it. I was just going to say something similar. I'd rather just show my cpl then make a quick exit instead of having a couple of cops thinking they have the next mall shooter after someone calls in a panic about the man with a gun. This is the way I feel. But he can LOOK at my permit, he cannot hold it. Are you guys serious? Are you going to show your drivers license to the next guy that flipps you off on the road because he thinks you can't drive? For me, if it's out of the blue, hells no... But if there is a valid reason, don't know what that would be yet, then yes... My CPL sayeth: "...and shall display the same upon demand to any police officer or to any other person when and if required by law to do so." I guess this beggs the question: Who has authority to demand CPL presentation besides the police? I don't think I'm to far out on the limb in saying that joeblow doesn't quaify. I do however see the benefit of not having to deal with the police. I'm pretty positive that joe blow doesn't qualify, and I definitely would not show them my CPL, if they want to call the police, go ahead, I'll talk to the officer and he will be more than welcome to see my CPL. It's no ones business but your own. I think I've showed my CPL to less than 5 people... Surplus Ammo and Arms, my wife, and guy on here I did a FTF pistol transaction with... and umm.. that's it, no one else needs to see it, there's a lot of sensitive information on that little card. |
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Police are generally helpful when they see you have a CPL actually (the newer the CPL the happier they are). They know that at least you aren't a felon. In WA, for traffic stops you don't have to declare you are carrying, but they have the record when they pull up your DL. Mine looked like a rookie WA state trooper, and was very apprehensive approaching my vehicle at first, then once he looked up my license, came back visibly relaxed, and we had a nice chat about his duty carry SIG (229 if I recall right) and my concealed carry, but he still gave me the ticket (I was 20mph+ the limit ).ETA: Oh and purchasing handguns, showing the CPL waives the waiting requirement. |
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The only reason a person ("Joe Blow") would ask is if you had 'printed' or otherwise exposed your weapon...in which case, discretion says to aknowledge having a permit. Otherwise, you'll probably end up having to show it to a LEO because when Joe Blow calls it in, he's gonna say "..has a pistol hidden on him." Something to think about before getting all snotty. Beat me to it. I was just going to say something similar. I'd rather just show my cpl then make a quick exit instead of having a couple of cops thinking they have the next mall shooter after someone calls in a panic about the man with a gun. This is the way I feel. But he can LOOK at my permit, he cannot hold it. Are you guys serious? Are you going to show your drivers license to the next guy that flipps you off on the road because he thinks you can't drive? No. You quoted what's on all of our CPLs. It's obviously an individual decision you make according to what the situation is. No, I'm not showing it to just anybody who asks, but who knows..............if I'm in a store, a manager or someone who works there sees my sidearm, asks, blah blah blah, sure, I'll show it to them, just to put them at ease. No harm done. Unless they're jerks, or they're not employees, who knows. It ain't set in stone.........just do what you want according to the situation. I have never had to do this in that type of situation, because I know how to conceal my sidearms, and make damn sure they're concealed. |
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The only reason a person ("Joe Blow") would ask is if you had 'printed' or otherwise exposed your weapon...in which case, discretion says to aknowledge having a permit. Otherwise, you'll probably end up having to show it to a LEO because when Joe Blow calls it in, he's gonna say "..has a pistol hidden on him." Something to think about before getting all snotty. Beat me to it. I was just going to say something similar. I'd rather just show my cpl then make a quick exit instead of having a couple of cops thinking they have the next mall shooter after someone calls in a panic about the man with a gun. This is the way I feel. But he can LOOK at my permit, he cannot hold it. Are you guys serious? Are you going to show your drivers license to the next guy that flipps you off on the road because he thinks you can't drive? For me, if it's out of the blue, hells no... But if there is a valid reason, don't know what that would be yet, then yes... My CPL sayeth: "...and shall display the same upon demand to any police officer or to any other person when and if required by law to do so." I guess this beggs the question: Who has authority to demand CPL presentation besides the police? I don't think I'm to far out on the limb in saying that joeblow doesn't quaify. I do however see the benefit of not having to deal with the police. and shall display the same upon demand to any police officer or to any other person when and if required by law to do so." This is the part I am cornfused on. To me it says anyone that asks for it you have to show them. Your right about dealing with the police instead but a good point is they might not think you are a good guy. I don't want to be held at gun point. |
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Police are generally helpful when they see you have a CPL actually (the newer the CPL the happier they are). They know that at least you aren't a felon. In WA, for traffic stops you don't have to declare you are carrying, but they have the record when they pull up your DL. Mine looked like a rookie WA state trooper, and was very apprehensive approaching my vehicle at first, then once he looked up my license, came back visibly relaxed, and we had a nice chat about his duty carry SIG (229 if I recall right) and my concealed carry, but he still gave me the ticket (I was 20mph+ the limit ).
ETA: Oh and purchasing handguns, showing the CPL waives the waiting requirement. The streak is broken! |
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The only reason a person ("Joe Blow") would ask is if you had 'printed' or otherwise exposed your weapon...in which case, discretion says to aknowledge having a permit. Otherwise, you'll probably end up having to show it to a LEO because when Joe Blow calls it in, he's gonna say "..has a pistol hidden on him." Something to think about before getting all snotty. Beat me to it. I was just going to say something similar. I'd rather just show my cpl then make a quick exit instead of having a couple of cops thinking they have the next mall shooter after someone calls in a panic about the man with a gun. This is the way I feel. But he can LOOK at my permit, he cannot hold it. Are you guys serious? Are you going to show your drivers license to the next guy that flipps you off on the road because he thinks you can't drive? For me, if it's out of the blue, hells no... But if there is a valid reason, don't know what that would be yet, then yes... My CPL sayeth: "...and shall display the same upon demand to any police officer or to any other person when and if required by law to do so." I guess this beggs the question: Who has authority to demand CPL presentation besides the police? I don't think I'm to far out on the limb in saying that joeblow doesn't quaify. I do however see the benefit of not having to deal with the police. and shall display the same upon demand to any police officer or to any other person when and if required by law to do so." This is the part I am cornfused on. To me it says anyone that asks for it you have to show them. Your right about dealing with the police instead but a good point is they might not think you are a good guy. I don't want to be held at gun point. Precisely why I make it a point not to invite the man into my life. Maybe Phil will be aong tomorrow and have a take on this. |
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Police are generally helpful when they see you have a CPL actually (the newer the CPL the happier they are). They know that at least you aren't a felon. In WA, for traffic stops you don't have to declare you are carrying, but they have the record when they pull up your DL. Mine looked like a rookie WA state trooper, and was very apprehensive approaching my vehicle at first, then once he looked up my license, came back visibly relaxed, and we had a nice chat about his duty carry SIG (229 if I recall right) and my concealed carry, but he still gave me the ticket (I was 20mph+ the limit ).
ETA: Oh and purchasing handguns, showing the CPL waives the waiting requirement. Only at the state level... Federal, you're still S.O.L...  I had to wait 3 business days for my last pistol purchase...
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Police are generally helpful when they see you have a CPL actually (the newer the CPL the happier they are). They know that at least you aren't a felon. In WA, for traffic stops you don't have to declare you are carrying, but they have the record when they pull up your DL. Mine looked like a rookie WA state trooper, and was very apprehensive approaching my vehicle at first, then once he looked up my license, came back visibly relaxed, and we had a nice chat about his duty carry SIG (229 if I recall right) and my concealed carry, but he still gave me the ticket (I was 20mph+ the limit ).
ETA: Oh and purchasing handguns, showing the CPL waives the waiting requirement. Only at the state level... Federal, you're still S.O.L... I had to wait 3 business days for my last pistol purchase...Federal law allows our state to use CPLs as instant BG checks... Unless yer getting a rifle/shotgun then they don't have to call it in since for all intents and purposes our state has already "called" it in for you if you have a CPL. |
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Police are generally helpful when they see you have a CPL actually (the newer the CPL the happier they are). They know that at least you aren't a felon. In WA, for traffic stops you don't have to declare you are carrying, but they have the record when they pull up your DL. Mine looked like a rookie WA state trooper, and was very apprehensive approaching my vehicle at first, then once he looked up my license, came back visibly relaxed, and we had a nice chat about his duty carry SIG (229 if I recall right) and my concealed carry, but he still gave me the ticket (I was 20mph+ the limit ).
ETA: Oh and purchasing handguns, showing the CPL waives the waiting requirement. Only at the state level... Federal, you're still S.O.L... I had to wait 3 business days for my last pistol purchase...Federal law allows our state to use CPLs as instant BG checks... Unless yer getting a rifle/shotgun then they don't have to call it in since for all intents and purposes our state has already "called" it in for you if you have a CPL. From what I have been told twice already, is that there is a state check and a federal check... The CPL being shown will waive the state check but not federal... I have had to wait in all my firearms purchases even showing the CPL... Yes, this was with pistols... |
| Actually, with the CPL when you purchase a pistol from a dealer the background check is done by the dealer. You can still be delayed. But if you get a proceed you will walk out with no waiting period. With out a CPL your back ground check is done by your local LE. So either way you are getting a federal background check done. Hopefully that helps clear it up some anyways. |
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I've been pulled over twice with a CPL and carrying. In both cases, once the CPL came out, the Officers could not have been any nicer. Both times were for minor stuff so no ticket, no dog shot.
I'm in the biz. With a CPL, we still call you into NICS. If they say you are G2G then cool, otherwise your new heater gets to cool while they continue thier investigation. 
I HAVE seen people with a CPL get DENIED 
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Actually, with the CPL when you purchase a pistol from a dealer the background check is done by the dealer. You can still be delayed. But if you get a proceed you will walk out with no waiting period. With out a CPL your back ground check is done by your local LE. So either way you are getting a federal background check done. Hopefully that helps clear it up some anyways. Yea cops tend to be a lot nicer when they see a CPL. Only thing though is some of them get really testy when yer CCW is better then theirs :P... or better looking at least... Thanks for clearing up the cpl stuff I don't really pay much attention to what the dealers do lol... all I know is I give my info and they let me go :)... |
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The only reason a person ("Joe Blow") would ask is if you had 'printed' or otherwise exposed your weapon...in which case, discretion says to aknowledge having a permit. Otherwise, you'll probably end up having to show it to a LEO because when Joe Blow calls it in, he's gonna say "..has a pistol hidden on him." Something to think about before getting all snotty. Beat me to it. I was just going to say something similar. I'd rather just show my cpl then make a quick exit instead of having a couple of cops thinking they have the next mall shooter after someone calls in a panic about the man with a gun. This is the way I feel. But he can LOOK at my permit, he cannot hold it. Are you guys serious? Are you going to show your drivers license to the next guy that flipps you off on the road because he thinks you can't drive? No. You quoted what's on all of our CPLs. It's obviously an individual decision you make according to what the situation is. No, I'm not showing it to just anybody who asks, but who knows..............if I'm in a store, a manager or someone who works there sees my sidearm, asks, blah blah blah, sure, I'll show it to them, just to put them at ease. No harm done. Unless they're jerks, or they're not employees, who knows. It ain't set in stone.........just do what you want according to the situation. I have never had to do this in that type of situation, because I know how to conceal my sidearms, and make damn sure they're concealed. This is something I was going to put in my first post, but didn't for whatever reason. If it's just some passerby, then most likely I'm not going to go through the hassle. "I have a permit. Good day sir," then carry on with my business. If it's like the store manager, or something along those lines, I might actually show the cpl, if they don't believe me just to avoid the hassle. I'd rather be asked to leave by store employees than to have 911 called on me, even if I leave the area, there's a good chance that whoever is panic dialing 911 will get a vehicle description and license plate #. |
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The only reason a person ("Joe Blow") would ask is if you had 'printed' or otherwise exposed your weapon...in which case, discretion says to aknowledge having a permit. Otherwise, you'll probably end up having to show it to a LEO because when Joe Blow calls it in, he's gonna say "..has a pistol hidden on him." Something to think about before getting all snotty. Beat me to it. I was just going to say something similar. I'd rather just show my cpl then make a quick exit instead of having a couple of cops thinking they have the next mall shooter after someone calls in a panic about the man with a gun. This is the way I feel. But he can LOOK at my permit, he cannot hold it. Are you guys serious? Are you going to show your drivers license to the next guy that flipps you off on the road because he thinks you can't drive? No. You quoted what's on all of our CPLs. It's obviously an individual decision you make according to what the situation is. No, I'm not showing it to just anybody who asks, but who knows..............if I'm in a store, a manager or someone who works there sees my sidearm, asks, blah blah blah, sure, I'll show it to them, just to put them at ease. No harm done. Unless they're jerks, or they're not employees, who knows. It ain't set in stone.........just do what you want according to the situation. I have never had to do this in that type of situation, because I know how to conceal my sidearms, and make damn sure they're concealed. This is something I was going to put in my first post, but didn't for whatever reason. If it's just some passerby, then most likely I'm not going to go through the hassle. "I have a permit. Good day sir," then carry on with my business. If it's like the store manager, or something along those lines, I might actually show the cpl, if they don't believe me just to avoid the hassle. I'd rather be asked to leave by store employees than to have 911 called on me, even if I leave the area, there's a good chance that whoever is panic dialing 911 will get a vehicle description and license plate #. And if you're unlucky like my xroommate you'll have bought a used car... which happened to have been sold at police auction after getting impounded and when the cops catch up to you they fucking they tell you to come out the car while pointing their shaky glocks in your direction... (it puckered up his butt hole for sure) Funny thing is that this was in Florida and there was a gun show like two blocks from where the cops stopped him. |
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And if you're unlucky like my xroommate you'll have bought a used car... which happened to have been sold at police auction after getting impounded and when the cops catch up to you they fucking they tell you to come out the car while pointing their shaky glocks in your direction... (it puckered up his butt hole for sure) Funny thing is that this was in Florida and there was a gun show like two blocks from where the cops stopped him.
That is kinda of messed up. Here buy a car from our auction then we might shoot you because our records show you the car was used in a bank robbery with a shoot out with the police. 
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