My son has an armed PI license from CLEET and just tried to renew it. He uses his license for business purposes part time and occasionally acts as a sub contractor to a buddy of mine.
He was turned down. Always before he sent in his bond and the $75 renewal, with passport photos, etc.
For the last 6 years or so.
He told me he was turned down because his "agency" license had expired (self employed) and now has to fork over $200 for the agency license and $100 for a late fee. They should have received his license renewal before it expired. And even if they didn't, it is supposedly only a $25 late fee.
He's about to chunk it but has about $275 invested in his bond and renewal fee.
He won't get his bond fee back and probably not his $75 renewal fee.
What is this crap?
More revenue generation by the state?

Yes





















Duh!

It's really got me chapped. I have two contractors licenses and a journeyman's license that use to cost $110 a year. In the last 4 years it has gone to $450 and they are listed as "inactive".
It pisses me off to pay the damn fees but if I want to keep those licenses, I have to pay even if I'm not working.
What a frigging crock.

I been bitching about having to get continual ed credits done before my uncoming $75 license renewal, plus pay for continuation of my bond all to keep my licensing curret; shit of it all is it's been listed as inactive for the last five years since I been working for the tribe.

but I keep them current should I have to go back to working security one of these days.

besides, the state might go broke if everybody that's got current but inactive cleet licensing decided to just let them expire.

In 10 years I haven't had a problem. I think some of you need to be wiser about playing CLEET's game.

That's the crap thing about being self-licensed.  It's nice when you have an agency that pays all of that stuff for you.

Cleet is a racket, like the Mafia. All about the $$$$$$$

This is the kind of crap that is making me consider getting out of security. I have an Armed license but I work unarmed security. A month ago when I had both armed and unarmed, I was still only unarmed. I got armed for the money increase but once I started looking for armed post, hell I make more money unarmed then i would have being armed. CLEET just aint worth it to me.

I spoke with some people earlier this week that the subject of casino armed security entered the conversation.

some stated that their casinos starting pay for a basic armed guard begins at $15/hr; hell if casino's around my area were paying that much back when I was working security I'd still be working it.

wheres these casinos they talkin bout?



and yeah, cleet is all about the money.  like my instructor said, who are you going to complain to? cleet is god, is what he always says. lol  



i am going tomorrow to get my bond so i can send cleet my $116 for the combo nacho license.  i am going to wait for the agency license on investigations, to see if i can find a security gig somewhere first.  btw, anybody know anywhere thats hiring security in the okc area?

Absolutely. my son never had an agency or employees, so how can they say he let his agency license expire?

because if he doesnt work for somebody else, he is his own agency. lol gotta love their way of thinking.  and i just realized i probably have to get that agency license too, even if i dont want to do investigation work right now.

State Law - 59-1750.5

3.  A self-employed private investigator who employs no other
investigators shall also be licensed as an investigative agency, but
shall only be required to be insured or bonded as a self-employed
private investigator.


They issue ONE license to the above type Private Investigator as the AGENCY.

one is up north and the other in the NE part of the state.

iirc correctly they were from first council and bordertown.

most casinos around central OK will pay in the area of $9 on the lowend and $12 on the highend starting for basic armed; some places are going for the most part unarmed too, relying on tribal PD to do the heavy work when trouble happens.

hell the chicks were hiring in unarmed $11.25/hr at riverwind back when they first opened up, imagine they probably still do; spoke with some people I know out there recently and they said there's rumors floating around that mgt is going to cut back from 200 floor employees per shift to approx 50 to try to get closer to the projected profit goals; it'll be kind of interesting to see if they do, that's a big place to try and run with a skeleton crew.

one drawback to working casinos is damn few of them offer benifits (ie health ins, vac, sick time etc), the one's that usually do get benifits are full time employees, and full time usually begins at supervisors and goes up.

and the one's that do offer benifits to all employees, the cost is often out of reach for most because pay is kept lower to offset cost of offering benifits.

one thing about working security in casinos is it's some of the easiest work most will ever do.

"Get paid to sit around, drink free Coke, and smoke cigarettes" if I remember correctly.  

I like Coke, don't mind being around people who smoke, and I do love to sit around.  Where can I sign up?

at your nearest casino

Found out what the trouble was. He's had this license since 2002. He paid the agency license fee at that time and it was good for 5 years.
It expired in 2007 but they renewed his armed PI license in 2008 WITHOUT an agency license.
CLEET never sent him an agency renewal.
So he's had an improper PI license for the last two years even though CLEET issued the license.
So he get's to pay an extra $300 for an agency license this time..
I guess it's worth it but he can drop and just get a self employed security guard license.
He's worked some bars with a cop buddy as a bouncer and worked some surveillance for him a few times as well in the last few years but not for a while.
I guess it's up to him.
I know I hadn't been a CLEET SDA instructor for 10 years or so and got a letter from CLEET telling me I wasn't licensed to do that anymore.
Seems like there was quite a few ex licensed SDA instructors still holding classes and the OSBI was issuing licenses on those unlicensed instructors signatures.
I guess their licensing bureau is short handed.

que *the three ring circus* music

Their licensing staff is VERY short handed. They need the help but just like a lot of other businesses, staffing levels are kept at a minimum. I guess the state's theory is to under-staff certain departments to keep from hiring "too many" employees.

Ultimately, it's up to the person applying to complete the proper paperwork and maintain their license.

Yes, but a little intelligence in the people you're dealing with helps a lot.

I worked for the state for a brief period. There are some good people there but some real wastes of oxygen too.
I remember the State Resource Manager of the Oklahoma Military Department raising hell about the amount of toilet paper being used at the Lexington AASF.
He complained they used 10 times as much toilet paper as other armories around the state.
One of the hands asked him if he wanted them to recycle the paper from the 80 asses he had there 20 days a month. (The other armories may have 80 asses there one week end a month for drills.)
The State Resource Manager shut up after that.
I also remember him doing a dedication ceremony for the Healdton Armory giving it to the city.
Healdton got a gov't grant for $100K and modified the Armory for all kinds of different purposes.
The whole thing was illegal because our drunk governor hadn't signed the papers giving the armory to the city of Healdton.
I hadn't been working for the OMD for just two days when they tried to get me to sign an invoice for $230,000. I told them hell no, I wasn't signing anything.
Caused a real shit storm for me. They were looking for someone to hang in case they ever did an audit.
It was for insuring armories in case they were destroyed by tornadoes, fire, etc.
Believe me, they were over insured and the insurance was written so that it would never pay if it one of them was destroyed.
Contrary to all the crap, I know there are some good people working for the state.
But there are some that stealing wages by doing nothing.
Like I said, some of them are real wastes of oxygen.

Ugh...this one time, at Dan camp.......

Dan thought he was alone with his leatherworking tools...

No holster for you!!!!!

careful, he might call it "white leather"

they've been shorthanded since before I ever applied for a license; when I first applied I did the osbi name search to supposidly speed my licensing along and spent the next 3 months working off the "paper" licensing until my application was fully processed and "card" issued.

the last time I was at cleet they still only had the staff attorney and two lady's in the security/pi office.

I called and asked them to send me a renewal form for my SDA instructor license.
They can't issue a new one, they have to do a renewal.
They sent me an empty envelope. They didn't seal it and the form wasn't in there.
So I called again. They told me I had to fax a change of address and request, or mail it. A phone request wasn't good enough.
So I faxed it to them.
Two different people, two different answers.
Now I'm waiting on the renewal form again.

I don't know if the security/pi part of cleet is the same as handles the the sda stuff, but if you got any questions/requests for info for the security part it's always best to speak with the staff attorney steve collins; majority of times when you do call the ladies will refer your call to him anyway, at least that's the way it's been in my experience.

Same ones, Brother L.
The attorney is there in the afternoons but I don't think I need to talk to him.
We'll see.

maybe I'm just the odd duck, because even when drive down there to turn in forms/speak with them etc I always end up speaking with collins.