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Posted: 9/4/2010 9:07:43 AM EDT
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They're goin' TAZY CRAZY around here.
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Posted: 9/4/2010 9:15:06 AM EDT
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The end is near!
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Posted: 9/4/2010 9:15:39 AM EDT
[#3]
Don't tase me, bro.
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Posted: 9/4/2010 10:25:37 AM EDT
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http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20100904/NEWS01/100909899 It's official. A taser is a deadly weapon and should be dealt with as such when confronted by one. How is it that the bad guys always got arrested before tasers and mace were used? If you can't arrest somebody without a high voltage gadget, you have no fucking business whatsoever being a cop. |
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Posted: 9/4/2010 10:27:05 AM EDT
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http://www.komonews.com/news/local/102220354.html
GOLD BAR, Wash. - A 25-year-old Sultan man died after deputies stunned him with a Taser during an incident early Saturday morning in Gold Bar. The case is now under investigation by the Snohomish Multiple Agency Response Team. It is the second time this week that a man has died in the Puget Sound region after being shocked by a Taser. The drama unfolded at about 1:30 a.m. Saturday when two Snohomish County sheriff's deputies were sent to the 500 block of 1st Avenue W. in the Gold Bar to check out a report of a disturbance. The 911 dispatch center had received calls about a man running up and down the street yelling and disturbing residents. When the deputies arrived they were immediately confronted by the man, who charged the deputies and fought with them to the ground. One of the deputies stunned the man with his Taser. The man stopped struggling, and then deputies discovered he was not breathing. The deputies immediately started CPR and called for aid. When medics arrived they continued CPR and transported the man to Valley General Hospital, where he was pronounced dead. The man, a Sultan resident, is believed to stay at a home in the Gold Bar area over the weekends, said Sgt. Robert Goetz of the Everett police. Investigators are now interviewing witnesses in an effort to determine what may have caused the man to take the actions he did when the deputies arrived. The Snohomish County Medical Examiners Officer will determine the cause of death. Both deputies involved have been place on paid administrative leave, in accordance with normal procedure in these types of incidents. One deputy is 29 years old, with three years experience with the Sheriff's Office. The other is 26, with three years experience with the Sheriff's Office and one year with the King County Sheriff's Office. The incident was the second Taser death this week in the Puget Sound region. In the previous incident, on Tuesday, Pierce County sheriff's deputies deployed their Tasers on a man who was resisting arrest after breaking into a Spanaway apartment. |
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Posted: 9/4/2010 10:35:23 AM EDT
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I am going to go out on a limb and say drugs are involved somewhere...
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Posted: 9/4/2010 10:42:50 AM EDT
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Quoted: http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20100904/NEWS01/100909899 It's official. A taser is a deadly weapon and should be dealt with as such when confronted by one. How is it that the bad guys always got arrested before tasers and mace were used? If you can't arrest somebody without a high voltage gadget, you have no fucking business whatsoever being a cop. I think the caliber of BG has changed somewhat since the days when Marshal Dillon ruled the street. No one really wants to retire with fucked up joints, artificial parts and chronic pain anymore. One of my favorite old sayings is, "I wear a badge to protect you. I wear a gun to protect me." Nowdays, the typical response to police interaction involves a greater degree of violence than Andy and Barney encountered. Granted, it looks bad in the media, but, more often than not, the media have conveniently omitted parts of the story. Ask me how I know, at the next lcr over a brew. |
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Posted: 9/4/2010 11:01:52 AM EDT
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Quoted: I think the caliber of BG has changed somewhat since the days when Marshal Dillon ruled the street. No one really wants to retire with fucked up joints, artificial parts and chronic pain anymore. One of my favorite old sayings is, "I wear a badge to protect you. I wear a gun to protect me." Nowdays, the typical response to police interaction involves a greater degree of violence than Andy and Barney encountered. Granted, it looks bad in the media, but, more often than not, the media have conveniently omitted parts of the story. Ask me how I know, at the next lcr over a brew. Yes and no. Gunsmoke and Andy Griffith were TV shows. Pure fiction. The bad guys of previous generations may have even been worse to deal with in many aspects. Modern law enforcement has automatic weapons, body armor, endless back up, and a Supreme Court ruling stating they have no responsibility to protect citizens. Marshall Dillion had a horse and a Peacemaker. Also, bad guys of years gone by had a much better chance of killing a lawman and disappearing into thin air to never be seen again. And here's the big one, there were not so many laws back then that everything short of your very existence put you at odds with law enforcement which has in effect created a great divide between the citizenry and LEO. |
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Posted: 9/4/2010 11:05:39 AM EDT
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I am going to go out on a limb and say drugs are involved somewhere... AND alcohol... There is a huge homeless camp in Sultan. The like to stay under the 311th st bridge. Fights happen there all the time. |
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Posted: 9/4/2010 11:14:14 AM EDT
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Quoted: The like to stay under the 311th st bridge. Fights happen there all the time. The first rule about fights under the 311th st bridge is we don't talk about fights under the 311th st bridge. |
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Posted: 9/4/2010 11:19:54 AM EDT
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The like to stay under the 311th st bridge. Fights happen there all the time. The first rule about fights under the 311th st bridge is we don't talk about fights under the 311th st bridge. Is that "we" as the "we the shit bag criminals" that need to be dispatched? |
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Posted: 9/4/2010 11:34:44 AM EDT
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I was really surprised by the number of homeless folks that live in or around Sultan.
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Posted: 9/4/2010 11:36:15 AM EDT
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What ever happed to the PR24... I thought that was very effective and with proper training is a good defensive weapon. Guess I thought wrong...
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Posted: 9/4/2010 11:37:33 AM EDT
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Rodney King.
With proper training the PR-24 is an extremely effective defensive and compliance tool. |
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Posted: 9/4/2010 11:38:37 AM EDT
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I was really surprised by the number of homeless folks that live in or around Sultan. It's a fairly new phenomena... You know since about the time OBAMA got into office |
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Posted: 9/4/2010 11:44:32 AM EDT
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Rodney King. With proper training the PR-24 is an extremely effective defensive and compliance tool. You know they also tased him... |
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Posted: 9/4/2010 11:46:13 AM EDT
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Notice the bold and italics?
Too many cops are not properly trained with anything but the "shortcut" devices. Like the taser. |
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Posted: 9/4/2010 11:54:20 AM EDT
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Modern law enforcement has automatic weapons, body armor, endless back up, (regarding the part in red) 
You clearly live where help is about a couple of minutes away. This is not true for the rest of WA state, where in places like where live, and someone is trying to break into your home, it can take 30 minutes for a deputy to get there, and they send one because there isn't another one available at the moment. That means where some folks live, there isn't even one cop, much less your idea of endless backup. |
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Posted: 9/4/2010 11:59:46 AM EDT
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Modern law enforcement has automatic weapons, body armor, endless back up, (regarding the part in red) http://orlyowl.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/orly.jpg You clearly live where help is about a couple of minutes away. This is not true for the rest of WA state, where in places like where live, and someone is trying to break into your home, it can take 30 minutes for a deputy to get there, and they send one because there isn't another one available at the moment. That means where some folks live, there isn't even one cop, much less your idea of endless backup. On his defense... he didn't was timely 
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Posted: 9/4/2010 12:03:58 PM EDT
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Notice the bold and italics? Too many cops are not properly trained with anything but the "shortcut" devices. Like the taser. Quoted:
What ever happed to the PR24... I thought that was very effective and with proper training is a good defensive weapon. Guess I thought wrong... yes I did... |
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Posted: 9/4/2010 12:13:20 PM EDT
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I smell several lawsuits.
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Posted: 9/4/2010 12:38:22 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Modern law enforcement has automatic weapons, body armor, endless back up, (regarding the part in red) http://orlyowl.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/orly.jpg You clearly live where help is about a couple of minutes away. This is not true for the rest of WA state, where in places like where live, and someone is trying to break into your home, it can take 30 minutes for a deputy to get there, and they send one because there isn't another one available at the moment. That means where some folks live, there isn't even one cop, much less your idea of endless backup. No, wrong. I live rural. At on time where I live 40% of calls to SnoHoCo Sherrif went unanswered ( REF: Everett Herald). Response time where I live can exceed 40 minutes. As for the endless back up statement. Yes they have infinite back up. I meant that from a practical standpoint, not a response time standpoint. The next cop you see, kick him in the nuts, see how many show up and whip your ass. |
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Posted: 9/4/2010 12:42:42 PM EDT
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The next cop you see, kick him in the nuts, see how many show up* and whip your ass. *Before, or after I get into the next state? Sure, somebody that is stupid enough to stick around for 20 minutes after kicking a cop in the nuts deserves to have his ass kicked by a dozen more cops. Things don't happen that way. Bad guy fights with a cop, someone gets hurt, preferably the bad guy. Period. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. |
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Posted: 9/4/2010 12:43:27 PM EDT
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Modern law enforcement has automatic weapons, body armor, endless back up, (regarding the part in red) http://orlyowl.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/orly.jpg You clearly live where help is about a couple of minutes away. This is not true for the rest of WA state, where in places like where live, and someone is trying to break into your home, it can take 30 minutes for a deputy to get there, and they send one because there isn't another one available at the moment. That means where some folks live, there isn't even one cop, much less your idea of endless backup. No, wrong. I live rural. At on time where I live 40% of calls to SnoHoCo Sherrif went unanswered ( REF: Everett Herald). Response time where I live can exceed 40 minutes. As for the endless back up statement. Yes they have infinite back up. I meant that from a practical standpoint, not a response time standpoint. The next cop you see, kick him in the nuts, see how many show up and whip your ass. Case in point, when they closed down I-5 through Everett last week becase a suspect had shot at the deputy during the chase, I'm pretty sure that every department in Snohomish County had units respond to assist. |
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Posted: 9/4/2010 12:44:43 PM EDT
[#25]
Drugs are bad.
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Posted: 9/4/2010 12:51:25 PM EDT
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Quoted: Yes, case in point.Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Modern law enforcement has automatic weapons, body armor, endless back up, (regarding the part in red) http://orlyowl.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/orly.jpg You clearly live where help is about a couple of minutes away. This is not true for the rest of WA state, where in places like where live, and someone is trying to break into your home, it can take 30 minutes for a deputy to get there, and they send one because there isn't another one available at the moment. That means where some folks live, there isn't even one cop, much less your idea of endless backup. No, wrong. I live rural. At on time where I live 40% of calls to SnoHoCo Sherrif went unanswered ( REF: Everett Herald). Response time where I live can exceed 40 minutes. As for the endless back up statement. Yes they have infinite back up. I meant that from a practical standpoint, not a response time standpoint. The next cop you see, kick him in the nuts, see how many show up and whip your ass. Case in point, when they closed down I-5 through Everett last week becase a suspect had shot at the deputy during the chase, I'm pretty sure that every department in Snohomish County had units respond to assist. The assault/gassing and subsequent burning of the woman and children at Waco included everything up to Fort Hood tanks and DELTA force Rangers. Don't fucking tell me they don't have back up. WTF? http://www.counterpunch.org/waco2.html |
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Posted: 9/4/2010 12:56:22 PM EDT
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Yes, case in point.
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<SNIP>[/span][/span] <SNIP> <SNIP> <SNIP> The assault/gassing and subsequent burning of the woman and children at Waco included everything up to Fort Hood tanks and DELTA force Rangers. Don't fucking tell me they don't have back up. WTF? http://www.counterpunch.org/waco2.html You just played the "Waco" card... 
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Posted: 9/4/2010 1:00:37 PM EDT
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Quoted: You just played the "Waco" card... OOPs... . Perfect example though. Like they don't have radios and won't put enough boots on the ground.  Puh-Leeeze. |
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Posted: 9/4/2010 1:04:23 PM EDT
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But how long does that kind of response take, and why didn't all the efforts to catch the Barefoot Bandit work, with this endless amount of backup available?
We can pick and choose examples all day long, but the bottom line is most criminal apprehensions take place in seconds or minutes, not hours or days. |
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Posted: 9/4/2010 1:10:49 PM EDT
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You just played the "Waco" card...
OOPs... . Perfect example though.
Like they don't have radios and won't put enough boots on the ground.
Puh-Leeeze. Waco was good if you look at things like Vini... I'm just fine with cops ENDING criminals
"so many criminals running free among us" |
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Posted: 9/4/2010 1:14:21 PM EDT
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But how long does that kind of response take, and why didn't all the efforts to catch the Barefoot Bandit work, with this endless amount of backup available? We can pick and choose examples all day long, but the bottom line is most criminal apprehensions take place in seconds or minutes, not hours or days. WOW I had no idea they had the Rangers after Colton Harris-Moore. He's good |
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Posted: 9/4/2010 1:17:55 PM EDT
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No one in North America could catch him. Kinda makes me wonder if they were really trying.
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Posted: 9/4/2010 1:44:03 PM EDT
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Drugs are bad. MmmKay |
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Posted: 9/4/2010 1:57:35 PM EDT
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But how long does that kind of response take,. Your point doesn't matter because he said unlimited backup, not immediate backup. You're trying to make it sound like he's saying they can't get away. What he's saying is they can't get away for ever. When the sheriff had a peacemaker and a horse, if you got away from the first LEO, it was a very real possibility you could live the rest of your life without being bothered. Now, unless you can get away before the LEO has a chance to identify you and call it in, you'll be "hunted" until they catch you, even if it takes decades (like the Unabomber). |
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Posted: 9/4/2010 2:04:00 PM EDT
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Ok, I can see that point, when it is esplained that way.
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Posted: 9/4/2010 4:21:48 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: But how long does that kind of response take,. Your point doesn't matter because he said unlimited backup, not immediate backup. You're trying to make it sound like he's saying they can't get away. What he's saying is they can't get away for ever. When the sheriff had a peacemaker and a horse, if you got away from the first LEO, it was a very real possibility you could live the rest of your life without being bothered. Now, unless you can get away before the LEO has a chance to identify you and call it in, you'll be "hunted" until they catch you, even if it takes decades (like the Unabomber). Thank you. That is PRECISELY what I meant. No surprise whatsoever my original post was taken off on twisted tangent of purposeful misunderstanding, symantical errors, absurd interpretations and ill percieved intent. Cuz that's how we roll around here. |
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Posted: 9/4/2010 4:33:56 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The like to stay under the 311th st bridge. Fights happen there all the time. The first rule about fights under the 311th st bridge is we don't talk about fights under the 311th st bridge. Is that "we" as the "we the shit bag criminals" that need to be dispatched? That was a reference to "Fight Club"...contrails overhead, over.  I guess tazers in WA are fusion-powered, eh? They're like phuckin' phasers!  |
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Posted: 9/4/2010 4:39:06 PM EDT
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The like to stay under the 311th st bridge. Fights happen there all the time. The first rule about fights under the 311th st bridge is we don't talk about fights under the 311th st bridge. Is that "we" as the "we the shit bag criminals" that need to be dispatched? That was a reference to "Fight Club"...contrails overhead, over.
I guess tazers in WA are fusion-powered, eh? They're like phuckin' phasers!
Plasma rifles in the 40 watt range?
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Posted: 9/4/2010 5:39:07 PM EDT
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Quoted: http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20100904/NEWS01/100909899 It's official. A taser is a deadly weapon and should be dealt with as such when confronted by one. How is it that the bad guys always got arrested before tasers and mace were used? If you can't arrest somebody without a high voltage gadget, you have no fucking business whatsoever being a cop. People got their ass beat and ended up in the hospital or dead. Flashlight massages were the norm, with good ol 4 "C" cell maglights making their characteristic sound. Knees got smashed and broken, as well as jaws, wrists, and shoulders. Fighting often ends up with both sides getting injured, and Officers would be on leave with injuries. Tazers are a "Less lethal" device, not "NON lethal". Danger is still present, but it is far less than otherwise available options. |
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Posted: 9/4/2010 6:06:42 PM EDT
[#40]
Quoted: Quoted: http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20100904/NEWS01/100909899 It's official. A taser is a deadly weapon and should be dealt with as such when confronted by one. How is it that the bad guys always got arrested before tasers and mace were used? If you can't arrest somebody without a high voltage gadget, you have no fucking business whatsoever being a cop. People got their ass beat and ended up in the hospital or dead. Flashlight massages were the norm, with good ol 4 "C" cell maglights making their characteristic sound. Knees got smashed and broken, as well as jaws, wrists, and shoulders. Fighting often ends up with both sides getting injured, and Officers would be on leave with injuries. Tazers are a "Less lethal" device, not "NON lethal". Danger is still present, but it is far less than otherwise available options. Remind me to never piss you off. |
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Posted: 9/4/2010 6:45:07 PM EDT
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Quoted: I double-dog dare ya ta NAME THAT SOUND!Quoted: http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20100904/NEWS01/100909899 It's official. A taser is a deadly weapon and should be dealt with as such when confronted by one. How is it that the bad guys always got arrested before tasers and mace were used? If you can't arrest somebody without a high voltage gadget, you have no fucking business whatsoever being a cop. People got their ass beat and ended up in the hospital or dead. Flashlight massages were the norm, with good ol 4 "C" cell maglights making their characteristic sound. Knees got smashed and broken, as well as jaws, wrists, and shoulders. Fighting often ends up with both sides getting injured, and Officers would be on leave with injuries. Tazers are a "Less lethal" device, not "NON lethal". Danger is still present, but it is far less than otherwise available options. |
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Posted: 9/4/2010 6:46:21 PM EDT
[#42]
When I was a kid I enjoyed TONKa toy trucks.
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Posted: 9/4/2010 6:54:13 PM EDT
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I think the caliber of BG has changed somewhat since the days when Marshal Dillon ruled the street. No one really wants to retire with fucked up joints, artificial parts and chronic pain anymore. One of my favorite old sayings is, "I wear a badge to protect you. I wear a gun to protect me." Nowdays, the typical response to police interaction involves a greater degree of violence than Andy and Barney encountered. Granted, it looks bad in the media, but, more often than not, the media have conveniently omitted parts of the story. Ask me how I know, at the next lcr over a brew. Yes and no. Gunsmoke and Andy Griffith were TV shows. Pure fiction. The bad guys of previous generations may have even been worse to deal with in many aspects. Modern law enforcement has automatic weapons, body armor, endless back up, and a Supreme Court ruling stating they have no responsibility to protect citizens. Marshall Dillion had a horse and a Peacemaker. Also, bad guys of years gone by had a much better chance of killing a lawman and disappearing into thin air to never be seen again. And here's the big one, there were not so many laws back then that everything short of your very existence put you at odds with law enforcement which has in effect created a great divide between the citizenry and LEO. And if a cop shot and killed someone there was a lot less noise made about it. Bonnie and Clyde were ambushed. Those cops would have been arrested and tried for murder if they did that today. Of course the criminals weren't hopped up on drugs, and even the most famous criminals didn't really kill that many people. Billy the Kid only killed like what, 5 people? That's less than a lot of gang bangers have done. Before Tasers, cops used batons to beat a person into submission. |
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Posted: 9/4/2010 6:56:37 PM EDT
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Quoted: Before Tasers, cops used batons to beat a person into submission. I'll stop you when I find something wrong with this statement. |
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Posted: 9/4/2010 7:31:32 PM EDT
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Quoted: Gunsmoke and Andy Griffith were TV shows. Pure fiction. No shit? I had no clue. Now where does that leave me? |
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Posted: 9/4/2010 7:55:46 PM EDT
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Gunsmoke and Andy Griffith were TV shows. Pure fiction. No shit? I had no clue. Now where does that leave me? Well since you were there in person for the real old west, you could tell us how it all actually went down. 
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Posted: 9/4/2010 10:39:41 PM EDT
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http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20100904/NEWS01/100909899 It's official. A taser is a deadly weapon and should be dealt with as such when confronted by one. How is it that the bad guys always got arrested before tasers and mace were used? If you can't arrest somebody without a high voltage gadget, you have no fucking business whatsoever being a cop. They used to hit people with sticks. |
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Posted: 9/4/2010 10:53:50 PM EDT
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Quoted: What ever happed to the PR24... I thought that was very effective and with proper training is a good defensive weapon. Guess I thought wrong... Folks died after being hit with them. Folks died even if they weren't hit with the PR-24. Hint. The same stuff that makes the idiot go nuts and need to taken down, is the same stuff that kills them. |
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Posted: 9/5/2010 3:28:24 AM EDT
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Tazers are a "Less lethal" device, not "NON lethal". Danger is still present, but it is far less than otherwise available options. I for one am ok with using a less lethal device, as long as the officer knows it's less lethal (not non-lethal) and uses it in fitting situations. It sounds like you know the difference, but I'd bet there are a few cops who don't think about the difference. 
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Posted: 9/5/2010 10:58:58 AM EDT
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Quoted: Tazers are a "Less lethal" device, not "NON lethal". Danger is still present, but it is far less than otherwise available options. Used against impaired / unhealthy individuals, tasers are lethal in combination with: 1. alcohol 2. drugs (whether prescription or illegals) 3. health condition (weak heart, history of heart disease, etc). Even a person who otherwise appears healthy, young, and able to withstand a taser, certain heart conditions that only presents when the heart is under extreme exertion such as over-exercising. Being tasered goes well beyond and above of over-exercising the heart. Given the above the question is then still whether LE should be allowed to shoot first and lawyer later? Still, I think taking away the taser would increase shooting events, vs. use of de-escalation or non-lethal force use. |
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