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Posted: 8/17/2009 10:29:12 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/17/2009 10:30:56 AM EST
no traction, never got out of committee.



Link Posted: 8/17/2009 10:42:06 AM EST
Has been introduced this year and last year. It never gained enough traction to go anywhere.
Link Posted: 8/17/2009 11:46:55 AM EST
DOA. Since april.
Link Posted: 8/17/2009 4:40:50 PM EST
They're all bad gun bills.
Link Posted: 9/18/2009 6:52:20 AM EST
Is it being re-introduced? Just got an email letter from Paul Broun, Georgia Congressman about the bill two days ago. Anyone know anyting about this one getting re-introduced?

"September 15, 2009


Dear Concerned American,

The great pay-back has begun, and it's going to be ugly.

The gun grabbers in Congress are paying back the anti-gun extremists who put them and Barack Obama in office.

Hi, this is Congressman Paul Broun from Georgia. I wish I had better news, but you and I are facing an assault on our gun rights like we've never seen before.

You see, H.R. 45 is Barack Obama's gun control package, and it includes the most vile anti-gun measures he's supported over the years.

It's only the first step...

...but it's a HUGE step.

H.R. 45 establishes a NATIONAL gun registry database of every gun and its owner –– for the whole county! Your private information and every gun you own would be in the system.

But that's only if you succeed in buying a gun in the first place!

And since H.R. 45 dramatically increases requirements for firearms purchases far beyond those ever proposed, you just might find youself incapable of buying a firearm once this bill takes effect.

And it gets worse too.

The National Association for Gun Rights has a survey ready for you to complete, but I want you to understand just how dangerous this bill is before I give you the link. Please bear with me for a moment.

You see, H.R. 45 would establish a national gun registry database which would:

Increase requirements for firearms purchases, far beyond those ever proposed.


Create a national firearms registry overseen by the Federal Government.


Invoke Draconian penalties for bookkeeping errors related to the Federal Firearms Database.
It gets worse though.


Sarah Brady and her allies in Congress want to force you to take a written exam to prove that you are "fit" to exercise your Constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms.

I'm outraged by this, and I know you are too.




I'm sure I don't have to tell you that gun registration has historically laid the groundwork for total firearm confiscation. Citizen disarmament is the watchword of tyrants everywhere.

In fact, the most brutal dictators of the last century were famous for their gun registration and confiscation schemes.

But H.R. 45, Obama's National Gun Registry and Citizen Disarmament Act, is more than just a forced registration of all firearms in America.

The bill also makes it increasingly difficult to buy a gun in the first place.




Taken right out of Sarah Brady's Christmas wish list, H.R. 45 includes a laundry list of new restrictions on firearms purchases.

In addition to the outrageous national gun registration requirement, H.R. 45 also requires you to:

Pass a written examination to purchase a firearm.


Release your medical records –– including confidential mental health records –– to the government to get your "fitness" to own a firearm approved.


Observe a two-day waiting period before all firearms purchases.


Pay a gun tax of $25 or more on all firearm purchases.
Moreover, H.R. 45 bans all private firearms sales and maximizes penalties for minor clerical errors in dealing with the national gun registry.


The list goes on and on. It's enough to turn your stomach.

I know I don't have to tell you, but these restrictions make a mockery of the Constitution. "The Right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" might as well say: "You have no rights."

If a two-day waiting period, a written exam and a gun tax aren't infringing our rights, I don't know what is!




Even the Supreme Court's recent Heller decision guaranteeing an individual's right to own a firearm doesn't hamper Barack Obama's agenda one bit.

In fact, it emboldens gun grabbers to pass legislation taxing ammunition, increasing registration requirements, and drastically limiting when, how and where you can use your firearm.

That's why I've decided to stand with the National Association for Gun Rights fight back against this radical scheme. They're fully committed to stopping the efforts of the gun grabbers, but they need the help of grassroots gun owners like you.

With liberals calling the shots in Washington, all supporters of the Second Amendment must join together, draw a line in the sand, and fight this battle to the end.

We must make this gun-grab expensive and politically painful for the enemies of freedom. If we do, they'll flinch ... and LOSE.

By mobilizing hundreds of thousands of grassroots gun owners across the country, the National Association for Gun Rights can put anti-gun politicians on the hot seat.

Are you opposed to national gun registration?

Are you opposed to a written examination to buy a gun?

Are you opposed to a new $25 gun tax?

Are you opposed to a total ban on private firearm sales?

If you said "Yes" to these questions, click here to fill out a special survey the National Association for Gun Rights has prepared for you.

Your survey will put you squarely on the record AGAINST Barack Obama's gun control package.

Stopping un-Constitutional gun control bills like H.R. 45 may be NAGR's top priority, but they need your help.

Along with your signed survey, please send the National Association for Gun Rights a generous contribution to help finance this battle. You will have the opportunity to donate right after you fill out the survey.




The truth is, H.R. 45 is just the tip of the iceberg.

Sarah Brady and her cohorts in Congress now have the support of a willing White House and won't stop until they've reached their ultimate goal: A virtual ban on private, individual firearm ownership.

That is why NAGR simply must hear from you immediately.

Please take a moment to fill out NAGR's H.R. 45 survey, and, if at all possible, send a contribution of $200, $150, $100 or maybe just $25 to help the National Association for Gun Rights fight H.R. 45 and Sarah Brady's gun control wish list.

I know this is a lot to ask, but inaction could very well lead to defeat and the loss of our right to keep and bear arms.

Whether you can afford $200 or a lesser amount of $50 or $25, please contribute what you can.




It's critical we do all we can.

Thank you in advance for contributing your time and money towards defending our Second Amendment rights.

For Freedom and Liberty,

Paul Broun
U.S. Congressman (R-GA)
National Association for Gun Rights


P.S. The anti-gun extremists who helped put Obama in power are itching for pay-back –– and here it comes.
H.R. 45 is the most sweeping gun control proposal ever offered in America. And under this administration, it might just pass –– so please act today!
"

Link Posted: 9/18/2009 9:20:11 AM EST
Looks like he is pimping the NAGR.
Link Posted: 9/18/2009 11:07:17 AM EST

Originally Posted By jeffco55:
Looks like he is pimping the NAGR.

Could be. Anyone know for sure? I would hate to think that this Congressman would use a long-dead bill to try and steal get contributions... Wouldn't suprise me, but I'd hat to think it... In my experience the far left just LOVE to change names and try and push bad legislation through over and over again, so I don't want to be asleep a the wheel... ex. Government run health care = Public Option; Shit = Aromatic Brown Wealth Spread and so on...
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:53:39 AM EST
I'll call his office Monday and ask about this. Dr. Broun shouldn't be worried too much about $$$, he's in a very safe district here and doesn't stand a chance of being legitimately challenged.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 2:03:22 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/19/2009 2:22:32 PM EST by ikickhippies]
Seriously. Asked and Answered.

There should be a $100 stupid tax on each one of these threads.

Oh hey, btw- a Nigerian called. He's got a deal that will blow your socks off.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:21:23 PM EST
Originally Posted By ikickhippies:
Seriously. Asked and Answered.

There should be a $100 stupid tax on each one of these threads.

Oh hey, btw- a Nigerian called. He's got a deal that will blow your socks off.


You don't have to click the thread ya know. You could just let others help enlighten those whom are already on our side.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:24:06 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/19/2009 5:31:38 PM EST by ikickhippies]
Hm..... I don't remember saying anything to you.

The OP is a friend of mine who I hung out with today. I am busting his balls.


Lets see if we can use the Search Button.

Here's One.
And another one.....
Oh SNAP, one more.....
Plus ANOTHER ONE.........
And one from like 2 months ago. In our own HTF. Oh MY........


I'll click on whatever thread I fucking well please. I will respond to any thread that I click on. Why don't you go [on second thought I got account warning this month, I'll keep it that way.]
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:30:27 PM EST
Originally Posted By ikickhippies:
Hm..... I don't remember saying anything to you.

The OP is a friend of mine who I hung out with today. I am busting his balls.

I'll click on whatever thread I fucking well please. I will respond to any thread that I click on. Why don't you go [on second thought I got account warning this month, I'll keep it that way.]


Well, in case you missed, I didn't fucking ask if you were talking to me.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:33:06 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/19/2009 5:34:36 PM EST by ikickhippies]
Originally Posted By The_Watcher:
Originally Posted By ikickhippies:
Hm..... I don't remember saying anything to you.

The OP is a friend of mine who I hung out with today. I am busting his balls.

I'll click on whatever thread I fucking well please. I will respond to any thread that I click on. Why don't you go [on second thought I got account warning this month, I'll keep it that way.]


Well, in case you missed, I didn't fucking ask if you were talking to me.


Well see, you WERE talking to me. That's how a forum works. You used the quotes there buddy. What the hell is your problem anyway? You just like jumping into threads and trolling for online fights? Who mad you a moderator?

Regardless, I'm done with you.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:36:22 PM EST
hehe look at all the bitchy people.... That time of the month or what?
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:39:19 PM EST
Originally Posted By ikickhippies:
Originally Posted By The_Watcher:
Originally Posted By ikickhippies:
Hm..... I don't remember saying anything to you.

The OP is a friend of mine who I hung out with today. I am busting his balls.

I'll click on whatever thread I fucking well please. I will respond to any thread that I click on. Why don't you go [on second thought I got account warning this month, I'll keep it that way.]


Well, in case you missed, I didn't fucking ask if you were talking to me.


Well see, you WERE talking to me. That's how a forum works. You used the quotes there buddy. What the hell is your problem anyway? You just like jumping into threads and trolling for online fights? Who mad you a moderator?


Read my post again tomorrow morning. Maybe then my context will make sense.

Trolling for fights. Really man? I barely even come to the HTF anymore because of shit like this...Later dood
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:40:24 PM EST
Originally Posted By GeorgiaBII:
hehe look at all the bitchy people.... That time of the month or what?


Dunno, maybe mom took away the xbox or something. I DO however get to make my first use of the ignore button. It's liberating almost not to have to hear so much crying and whining when someones vajay-jay hurts SOOOOOO much.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:40:58 PM EST
Originally Posted By GeorgiaBII:
hehe look at all the bitchy people.... That time of the month or what?


Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:41:51 PM EST
Originally Posted By ikickhippies:
Originally Posted By GeorgiaBII:
hehe look at all the bitchy people.... That time of the month or what?


Dunno, maybe mom took away the xbox or something. I DO however get to make my first use of the ignore button. It's liberating almost not to have to hear so much crying and whining when someones vajay-jay hurts SOOOOOO much.


Place gets boring then.... Oh well.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:44:07 PM EST
Originally Posted By ikickhippies:
Originally Posted By GeorgiaBII:
hehe look at all the bitchy people.... That time of the month or what?


Dunno, maybe mom took away the xbox or something. I DO however get to make my first use of the ignore button. It's liberating almost not to have to hear so much crying and whining when someones vajay-jay hurts SOOOOOO much.


...
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:46:18 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:53:29 PM EST
Originally Posted By 82ND-ABN:
Originally Posted By ikickhippies:
Originally Posted By GeorgiaBII:
hehe look at all the bitchy people.... That time of the month or what?


Dunno, maybe mom took away the xbox or something. I DO however get to make my first use of the ignore button. It's liberating almost not to have to hear so much crying and whining when someones vajay-jay hurts SOOOOOO much.


It sounds like you could use a dose of your own medicine. The_Watcher reacted to your attack on the thread author by suggesting you avoid threads where you feel the need to insult someone. He nor I know who your friends are and, unless you make it obvious in your post, other members will assume you're acting like a jackass.



Sir, message received. Yes, from the outside it would appear as so. I have heard so much about this bill especially on the several threads that I posted that I feel as though we are re-hashing the same silly ammendment that never even made it out of committee or even got a co-sponsor. This HTF had the exact same thread end in July. On top of my razzing of my buddy I was expressing discord to all those who keep bringing this amendment up every few months. I know that some of the issue here lies with the email chain letter of Blair-Holt that simply will not die.

So regardless, apologies to all. I just really hate hearing every week how the British Tax of Tea is unfair. It's old news meant to provoke a reaction and some of us are tired of answering the same questions about it.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 3:43:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/20/2009 3:44:57 PM EST by dasHeckenschutze]
I guess I contributed to this ongong discussion, though I don't really feel like it is something I should be apologizing for.... I was a bit put off by ikickhippies reply, but am not interested, nor do I have time for B.S. and pissing matches.

I ran a quich Search for H.R 45 and came up with two posts, both of which didn't explain to me why I was receiving a fresh email from Dr. Broun dated 9/15. Not a "chain email" that has been bounced around for months and months.

I always get a chuckle out of these "discussion boards", and AR15.com is no different. Some people spend alot of time on here and get sick of hearing things. Natural reaction if someone hears the same thing over and over again, but..... Personally, I view discussion boards as just that, active and ongoing "conversations" of people with similar interests. If I'm at a party and someone is asking me about XYX, then an hour later someone else arives and asks about XYZ, I would respond in a certain way, probably pleasantly directing them to the what we previously discussed and filling in the blanks for them.

Appreciate the clarification on the "tax" remarks and glad to hear the bill is not being represented in a watered-down, re-written form.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 4:19:44 PM EST
Originally Posted By 82ND-ABN:
Originally Posted By ikickhippies:
Originally Posted By GeorgiaBII:
hehe look at all the bitchy people.... That time of the month or what?


Dunno, maybe mom took away the xbox or something. I DO however get to make my first use of the ignore button. It's liberating almost not to have to hear so much crying and whining when someones vajay-jay hurts SOOOOOO much.


It sounds like you could use a dose of your own medicine. The_Watcher reacted to your attack on the thread author by suggesting you avoid threads where you feel the need to insult someone. He nor I know who your friends are and, unless you make it obvious in your post, other members will assume you're acting like a jackass.



Hmm...I just thought he was a jack-ass and I just didn't care. Derek is too cool peoples to be mad at on some misinterpreted internet BS.
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