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Posted: 4/24/2004 11:51:07 AM EST
Anyone ever been there? Ive been there a couple times now, and today almost made me explode. Needless to say I won't be going back.

I ask how much they charge to do a transfer, guy tell me "25 bucks."

Im thinking, alright, not a bad price at all I can live with it.......

"Plus 10% of the cost of the gun and South Carolina taxes on it"

WTF?! Is there some SC law they have to enter guns into their inventory to sell them, which requires them to jack up the price of your gun 10%??? Thats the explanation he gave to me, which sounds like BS.
Link Posted: 4/24/2004 2:31:53 PM EST
Sounds like a shop where I don't need to shop.

I understand being in business, and making a profit. I run a business, myself.

I understand someone tried to break one off in you today.

I hope you made it out with your anal cherry intact.


Xfer for $25 is fair.

Jacking it by 10% is rape.

Adding sales tax (7% more in his pocket. He's not paying it to the State, he's pocketing it!) is anal rape.

Where is this anal rapist located? I'll be sure to steer clear of him.
Link Posted: 4/24/2004 7:14:11 PM EST
Goose Creek, SC
Link Posted: 4/25/2004 2:25:09 AM EST
[Last Edit: 4/25/2004 3:08:30 AM EST by Brohawk]
That's as wrong as, well... some things that would get this thread locked, so I'll stay on topic.

Try giving The Gun Doctor a call (761-0788). I don't know his policy on transfers, but I've done some business with him and I believe I've been treated fairly. His shop is on 17A going toward Moncks Corner, on the right, a couple miles before getting into MC.

Also, try a Google search for FFLs in SC. I did one last year and came up with a couple in the local area.

I haven't done an out-of-state transfer before, so there might be something to a sales tax requirement. Then again, maybe not.

Good luck.

Link Posted: 4/25/2004 3:11:46 AM EST


WTF?! Is there some SC law they have to enter guns into their inventory to sell them, which requires them to jack up the price of your gun 10%??? Thats the explanation he gave to me, which sounds like BS.



I haven't done a transfer before, but the way it seems to me they are not selling it to you. You are paying the seller, and the FFL does the paperwork.

If anybody has firsthand knowledge & experience, feel free to correct me. I'm just trying to look at this logically, and that doesn't always work with .gov bureaucracies.
Link Posted: 4/25/2004 4:40:45 AM EST
Brohawk,


Thanks man, Ill look into it. I was looking up some other gunshops and I may check out a few around Charleston and Mt Pleasant before its all said and done, but Ill give your fella a holler too.

Oh yeah, and Im looking for an FFL because I am buying my first AR very soon
Link Posted: 4/25/2004 5:58:54 AM EST
Bought a AR10 last year, sent Quantico Arms the full price of the gun myself,and the copy of the transferring dealer paperwork, only paid the transferring dealer for the trasnsfer and his time and his paperwork, the dealer did have to recieve the gun but he never "owned the gun" or had any of his money tied up in the sale, and since the gun was bought from out of state then there was no tax due at the purchase time.
If you are buying a AR from Quantico, they have a list of transferring dealers that they have sent guns to, or if you send the paperwork to them , they will add new transferring dealer to thier list.
YMMV


Link Posted: 4/25/2004 9:35:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By Brohawk:


WTF?! Is there some SC law they have to enter guns into their inventory to sell them, which requires them to jack up the price of your gun 10%??? Thats the explanation he gave to me, which sounds like BS.



I haven't done a transfer before, but the way it seems to me they are not selling it to you. You are paying the seller, and the FFL does the paperwork.

If anybody has firsthand knowledge & experience, feel free to correct me. I'm just trying to look at this logically, and that doesn't always work with .gov bureaucracies.



Brohawk:
I can't speak for SC, but in NC the Dept. of Revenue's position is that every order or sale in NC is subject to NC sales tax. They are trying to enforce sales tax requirements on Internet & catalog sales as well, which is why some catalog companies now charge sales tax on orders shipped to NC. When I got my FFL, I asked a friend who works for NC Dept of Revenue about transfers of firearms on my license. His answer was that Raleigh says if the firearm appears in the dealer's record books (as all transfers have to do, according to ATF rules), the state deems that a sale & the purchaser has to pay sales tax. If the purchaser pays it to the dealer he orders from & can prove he paid it, the NC dealer doesn't have to collect the 7%. Otherwise, the NC dealer has to charge the tax, or run the risk of having to pay it himself (plus interest & penalties) if his books are audited.

Dept. of Revenue's position is that if an item is ordered & shipped to NC, the sale is completed in NC & sales tax applies. If you go out-of-state to purchase, you have to pay sales tax in that state anyway, so there is not much difference. Don't be surprised to see more of the catalog vendors charging sales tax in the future, because there is a sale involved, on one end of the transaction or the other. The only difference is in where the sale is completed, so one or both states will try to collect.

I'm not defending the dealer in question, because I don't know how SC handles this. He may be trying to make an extra profit for himself, or he may be required by SC law to collect sales tax, I don't know the answer to that one. I do agree that the 10% charge is a ripoff, but that's his choice. That's the nice thing about capitalism: You are always free to shop around for the best deal.
Link Posted: 4/25/2004 10:44:02 AM EST
I have been to ATP a few times and got the same impression as you. It is one of those shops where they think they know everything and because of that, think they have to right to grossly over charge. If you hang around there for at least 10 sec you will hear them feeding the worst BS to unknowing customers. How they stay in business I have no idea.
Link Posted: 4/25/2004 12:23:11 PM EST

Originally Posted By GunsABlazin:
I have been to ATP a few times and got the same impression as you. It is one of those shops where they think they know everything and because of that, think they have to right to grossly over charge. If you hang around there for at least 10 sec you will hear them feeding the worst BS to unknowing customers. How they stay in business I have no idea.




this is an exact description of what i am too kind to say

i really do not know how they get so much business
Link Posted: 4/25/2004 12:26:44 PM EST
I used a FFL here in Columbia that I found here on gunbroker.com (this will give you contact information and how much they charge). He charged me $20 bucks. No "inventory fee", no tax, nothing additional. In fact SableCo massed up my order and lost the first FFL copy and he had to send another! He wasn't very happy, but didn't charge me any additional. Paperwork when I picked up my stripped lower took maybe 10 minutes.

Keep shopping for another dealer!

-Hershey
Link Posted: 4/25/2004 12:58:53 PM EST
cool, I found a guy in summerville who does it for 20, flat rate. I think Ill look into it. Thanks
Link Posted: 4/25/2004 4:24:45 PM EST
Beware- there is no cure, there is no turning back. You are now infected with BRD.
Link Posted: 4/25/2004 5:05:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By Brohawk:
Beware- there is no cure, there is no turning back. You are now infected with BRD.



LOL

i have enough money saved up for the gun i want. RRA A2, 16" barrel, fixed tele stock, hogue grips, natl match two stage trigger, just gotta wait it out or find a place to store it til i get off of this godforsaken base
Link Posted: 4/25/2004 9:08:31 PM EST
I have room in the safe.....
Link Posted: 5/5/2004 8:08:21 AM EST
There is a great guy in summerville. Flat $20 rate, no tax, no handling fee, etc. email me, and I will give you the info.
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 8:08:25 AM EST

There's an old (new ownership) gun store off Hwy.41 near the 17 interchange in Mt. Pleasant.
I think it goes by Coastal firearms. I checked it out one day last month and had a nice chat with fella who runs it. Ended up walking out of there with a new tactical folder (CRKT). I would recommend checking with him. I hope he does well, I hate to see gun stores close down. They are becoming less of a commodity with all this urban spraul.

Out, CID '89
Mt. Pleasant
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 10:19:56 AM EST
Thanks tons for the input again everyone. Ill be checking these folks out
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