Posted: 8/7/2012 3:10:16 PM EDT
| any one shoot lead through their M&P? any luck? last smith i had worked great. same loads in the MP and i get leadding pretty bad. |
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I don't shoot much lead anymore but when I do Missouri Bullet Company makes bullets that are "hardness optimized" and reduces the amount of leading.
If you are shooting 9mm, don't waste your time on lead bullets. Precision Delta sells jacketed bullets for about the same price as lead bullets. |
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I don't shoot much lead anymore but when I do Missouri Bullet Company makes bullets that are "hardness optimized" and reduces the amount of leading. If you are shooting 9mm, don't waste your time on lead bullets. Precision Delta sells jacketed bullets for about the same price as lead bullets. There is more than a 30% difference in price between jacketed and lead bullets posted from those two manufacturers. Just saying, that ain't peanuts if a person shoots a lot. |
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I don't shoot much lead anymore but when I do Missouri Bullet Company makes bullets that are "hardness optimized" and reduces the amount of leading. If you are shooting 9mm, don't waste your time on lead bullets. Precision Delta sells jacketed bullets for about the same price as lead bullets. There is more than a 30% difference in price between jacketed and lead bullets posted from those two manufacturers. Just saying, that ain't peanuts if a person shoots a lot. You are correct that jacketed is slightly more and it is actually about an 18% difference. Precisioon Delta had a $6 per thousand price increase in the last few months on 115 gr 9mm and before that the difference was even less. Missouri adds shipping on top of their prices and precision delta includes shipping. To make it cheaper you need to order in increments of 2,000 for missouri to minimize shipping costs and Iif you order 10,000 from precision delta or more(which I always do) you get $4 per thousand discount. Assuming that you order both to get the cheapest prices possible(which I always do even if I have to get a couple buddies to go in on it with me), That comes out to (per thousand including shipping) $65.50 for 115 gr lead and $78 for 115 grain jacketed. Your bullet cost for lead is $3.27 per box of 50 or $3.90 for jacketed. To each their own but I will gladly pay the 63 cents per box difference to avoid all the extra cleanup with lead on 9mm. I am loading 9mm for only $5.67 per box (the last time I figured it up) shooting jacketed bullets in 9mm. When you get into the heavier bullet weights, like 158 gr 38 special and anything in 45 acp, the savings are a lot more dramatic when you shoot lead. |
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You are correct that jacketed is slightly more and it is actually about an 18% difference. Precisioon Delta had a $6 per thousand price increase in the last few months on 115 gr 9mm and before that the difference was even less. Missouri adds shipping on top of their prices and precision delta includes shipping. To make it cheaper you need to order in increments of 2,000 for missouri to minimize shipping costs and Iif you order 10,000 from precision delta or more(which I always do) you get $4 per thousand discount. Assuming that you order both to get the cheapest prices possible(which I always do even if I have to get a couple buddies to go in on it with me), That comes out to (per thousand including shipping) $65.50 for 115 gr lead and $78 for 115 grain jacketed. Your bullet cost for lead is $3.27 per box of 50 or $3.90 for jacketed. To each their own but I will gladly pay the 63 cents per box difference to avoid all the extra cleanup with lead on 9mm. I am loading 9mm for only $5.67 per box (the last time I figured it up) shooting jacketed bullets in 9mm. When you get into the heavier bullet weights, like 158 gr 38 special and anything in 45 acp, the savings are a lot more dramatic when you shoot lead. If you are ordering 9mm in quantity from Missouri Bullet Co., it would be best to order their 4,000 bullet bundle because it is more efficient to ship. That drops the price of one thousand 115 gr. 9mm bullets to $62.25 shipped. That makes it a ~25% difference (my 30% + claim was roughly averaging over multiple bullets weights, as some people like to practice with the weight they carry). Missouri also offers discounts starting at 12,000 bullets but they don't advertise the specific amount. They also have discounts for active duty military and law enforcement that isn't factored in. This is all kind of moot if we are only talking about a thousand bullets here or there, as I too would prefer the convenience of jackets under those circumstances. However, if a person shoots a lot and is on a budget, the difference becomes significant enough to justify lead over jacketed if the weapon can handle it, at least to me anyway. Sorry for the highjack and back to the point. I don't own a Shield yet but am interested in purchasing one and would also like to know if it is gtg with cast bullets. Is there anything in the owners manual specifically recommending against cast bullets? What kind of rifling does the barrel use? Edit to add: Montana Gold Bullet is a good place for jacketed 115 gr. 9mm too. When ordering bulk they are a few bucks cheaper per thousand than Precision Delta. |
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any one shoot lead through their M&P? any luck? last smith i had worked great. same loads in the MP and i get leadding pretty bad. First, clean your barrel. And I mean CLEAN it. Get all copper residue out as well as the carbon residue, then try them again. If the problem persists, where does the leading occur - throat, end of the barrel, all the way? What bullet composition, lube, load details, etc.? |
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Missouri also offers discounts starting at 12,000 bullets but they don't advertise the specific amount. They also have discounts for active duty military and law enforcement that isn't factored in. Sorry for the highjack and back to the point. I don't own a Shield yet but am interested in purchasing one and would also like to know if it is gtg with cast bullets. Is there anything in the owners manual specifically recommending against cast bullets? What kind of rifling does the barrel use? You can get an extra 5% discount if enter a special promo code. "BluePress" is one of those codes (Discount code published in April Dillon Catalog page 43). I checked the owners manual for the Sheild and it only has the obligatory "Don't shoot Reloads" warning in it. Shield has standard type rifling too so I don't see why lead should cause any kind of problem. I actually shot thousands and thousands of lead rounds thru standard Glock barrels and never had a problem either. I tried to use harder bullets and cleaned the lead out every few hundred rounds. You will like the Shield. IMO, it the best thing out there in it's size/class of gun. |
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any one shoot lead through their M&P? any luck? last smith i had worked great. same loads in the MP and i get leadding pretty bad. First, clean your barrel. And I mean CLEAN it. Get all copper residue out as well as the carbon residue, then try them again. If the problem persists, where does the leading occur - throat, end of the barrel, all the way? What bullet composition, lube, load details, etc.? finally someone on topic. when i purchased the gun it was new. i shot about 30 rounds or so and most of the leading was in the middle to end of barrel which indicates lube running out. as for load, im running 4.5 gr of WIN231 under a sized 180 gr bullet. as for lube, its beezwax and alox mix. im thinking that due to the heat in texas, its making the lube to warm and thinning it out. what are you using in your set up. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: any one shoot lead through their M&P? any luck? last smith i had worked great. same loads in the MP and i get leadding pretty bad. First, clean your barrel. And I mean CLEAN it. Get all copper residue out as well as the carbon residue, then try them again. If the problem persists, where does the leading occur - throat, end of the barrel, all the way? What bullet composition, lube, load details, etc.? finally someone on topic. when i purchased the gun it was new. i shot about 30 rounds or so and most of the leading was in the middle to end of barrel which indicates lube running out. as for load, im running 4.5 gr of WIN231 under a sized 180 gr bullet. as for lube, its beezwax and alox mix. im thinking that due to the heat in texas, its making the lube to warm and thinning it out. what are you using in your set up. A roughly 50/50 paraffin/axle grease mix seems to work very well for me. Just have to play with the mix until it's the right thickness at ambient temp. |