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Posted: 2/23/2005 3:07:14 PM EST
which is better or your preference?
Link Posted: 2/23/2005 3:15:24 PM EST
Link Posted: 2/28/2005 5:08:16 AM EST
I used to carry Remington 230g Golden Sabers in my HK USP 45 Compact. Now I carry Winchester Ranger 230g.
Link Posted: 2/28/2005 8:32:51 AM EST
230 gr Speer Gold Dot.
Link Posted: 2/28/2005 2:26:47 PM EST
I simply do not trust Remington ammunition. I have had many, many QC issues with it in years past, so I will not use it for any serious purposes at all...period.

Having said that, the ammo companies are all a bunch of whores and will change specs in a heartbeat without letting anyone know, so it is entirely possible that Remington is now making excellent premium cartridge and shotshell ammo...but I doubt it.

My favorites are...in order...today...WW SXT, Gold Dot and Federal.
Link Posted: 2/28/2005 6:18:56 PM EST
Link Posted: 3/1/2005 9:50:37 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/1/2005 9:51:58 AM EST by Researcher]
I use Rem GS in .40 and 9mm. 165 gr and 124+p respectively. Shoot at least 100 rounds of whatever you choose to carry to make sure they feed and function properly.
Link Posted: 3/1/2005 10:20:38 AM EST
Link Posted: 3/9/2005 2:24:10 PM EST
Don’t worry about it. Either one is fine. No BG you shoot will be able to tell the difference.
The three most important things are bullet placement, bullet placement and bullet placement.

John
Cape Canaveral
Link Posted: 3/9/2005 2:47:17 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/9/2005 2:48:22 PM EST by DasRonin]
If 9mm...

...and if you can get it,

Hydrashok 124 gr +P+

Sold to LE only, but I think it is good stuff. When we switched from that to +P ATK Speer, I switched to a .357SIG Glock. Then I was issued a gov't owned weapon for the first time... and everyone had to go to a .40 Glock.

I think the Hydrashok is the better design of the two.

But I firmly believe that it is not the caliber, not the bullet design, it is bullet placement!

YMMV
Link Posted: 3/9/2005 2:48:42 PM EST
My duty ammo is Rem. GS 124+p in the 9mm. I have never had a range problem with it and I hope I never have a street problem that requires me to use it. We get new ammo issued every 6 months. I have been checking my ammo for set back when I clean my weapon every month. So far I have not had any problems with it. I still rotate my rounds in the mags every month just in case.
The .45 (230 gr) works well in my S&W 1911 and I recently did some non scientific night fire tests with it. It appeared to me that it had the same flash as the Rem UMC ball and Win. USA ball. It got me to thinking about if they changed the powder in the G.S. ammo without telling anyone. Anyone else tested this recently?
Link Posted: 3/9/2005 2:53:09 PM EST
My choice is Cor-Bon and Speer Gold Dot. I'll shoot hydras but I like those other two better.
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 6:48:10 PM EST
Hydra Shok. I like my .40 180 gr, and .357 158 gr.
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 8:03:58 AM EST
Speer Gold Dots...
Link Posted: 3/15/2005 9:26:39 PM EST
From what I have read it seems that the Hydra-shok fails the FBI tests. It seems the problems are associated with failure to expand through clothing. I use 147 gr. GS that passed the FBI tests.
Link Posted: 3/15/2005 11:21:40 PM EST
The FBI tests should be burned. They were designed to prove their theory. Not to find the best bullet
design. Their test is awfully dated by now. More recently the INS did a lot more open and real world
test of ammo. If you can find a copy of it read it. I personally think that the Hydra shock is still one of the best available. In Evan Sanows research he is stating that it is a 100% effective man stopper in 45 out of a five inch tube. The gold dot is 96 percent. The bullet combo I wast to see is that new Federal
fmj filled with the polymer. It was written up a few years ago in details in one of the police magazines and the results were impressive. It does not have the problems with intermediate targets and clogging that normal hollowpoints have yet havid rapid expansion
Link Posted: 3/16/2005 3:29:26 AM EST
In 9mm, 124grain +P Gold Dots.
In .38, 125 grain +p Gold Dots.
In .45, 230 Gold Dots.


Are we seeing a trend here?
Link Posted: 3/16/2005 3:36:03 AM EST
BOTH SHOULD BE BANNED FROM CIVILIAN USE!!!
Link Posted: 3/16/2005 11:45:24 AM EST

In Evan Sanows research he is stating that it is a 100% effective man stopper in 45 out of a five inch tube


No bullet is 100% effective.......The fact is that the Hydra-shok is outdated and it DOES have problems. I cant see using a Hydra-shok when there are better options out there. Why would you risk your life with something inferior to the new technology?
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