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Posted: 1/25/2014 7:06:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/25/2014 7:08:28 AM EDT by Nightwolf357]
I saw this notice on FB and took a look at the video for it, and despite the claims they make, it almost looks to me like it might over penetrate quite easily. Here is a video for it.





Dang it  my embedding skills are garbage today here is a regular link insteadRIP ammo
Link Posted: 1/25/2014 7:11:08 AM EDT
That would be fun in a civil court.
Link Posted: 1/25/2014 7:16:10 AM EDT
We won't have to worry about it in CT, our brave legislators will outlaw it, except for the cops, of course.

You won't be able to use it for self defense, but cops will be able to shoot you with it.
Link Posted: 1/25/2014 7:42:03 AM EDT
I would prefer the Barnes bullet.  

I can get that in either .38 Super or 9x23mm Winchester.

Link Posted: 1/25/2014 9:10:27 AM EDT
Thats a different idea.  Looks interesting.
Link Posted: 1/25/2014 9:37:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/25/2014 9:38:24 AM EDT by RDTCU]
Extreme Shock 2.0 ?

Barnes XPB, HST, Ranger-T.  Weight retention > fragmentation in pistol rounds....
Link Posted: 1/25/2014 10:01:30 AM EDT
Hmmm

We'll see - nobody will ever know until is produced, if ever.

Will it go by the road of Charlie Kelsey's wonder bullet?

Devel link

V
OUT
Link Posted: 1/25/2014 10:06:33 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RDTCU:
Extreme Shock 2.0 ?

Barnes XPB, HST, Ranger-T.  Weight retention > fragmentation in pistol rounds....
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im wondering what the actual penatration is, on both the petals AND the center slug, looks A LOT like the old glaser safety slug idea.
Link Posted: 1/25/2014 10:14:25 AM EDT
P.T. Barnum was right.

Link Posted: 1/25/2014 10:14:44 AM EDT
Feel like I just watched a tactical shamwow commercial.

And what will a CNC-machined round cost anyway?
Link Posted: 1/25/2014 11:39:44 AM EDT
96 grains. So its light. Looks like almost no expansion and lots of pennitration. Nice clean wound with minimal damage other than those tiny little fingers which I doubt would have much stopping power.
Link Posted: 1/25/2014 11:46:48 AM EDT
looks devistating. I would be interested to try it out. I wonder if the aggressive nose would cause feeding problems?
Link Posted: 1/25/2014 12:19:55 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/25/2014 12:30:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AJE:
Shotgun slugs huh...  isn't that just about how the old Remington Copper Solids worked?
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Very similar to the Ddupleks Hexolit steel slugs.
Link Posted: 1/25/2014 2:23:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/25/2014 2:23:33 PM EDT by hahaha]
Here is a photo. It has no lead in it, which is quite innovative. I would like to see some review on it.
http://www.conservativeinfidel.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/gun-ammo.jpg
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJGH7cDFw7c[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJGH7cDFw7c
Link Posted: 1/25/2014 2:53:16 PM EDT
Lighter weight, and designed to expand quickly...I'm no physicist, but I'd say there is likely to be penetration issues. This is the one of the things on the internet where the product/article gives the dumb ass comments that follow it a run for their money in the stupid competition.
Link Posted: 1/25/2014 4:07:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By robeans:
That would be fun in a civil court.
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Truly a prosecutors dream.
Link Posted: 1/25/2014 10:09:50 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dabears34:

Truly a prosecutors dream.
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Originally Posted By dabears34:
Originally Posted By robeans:
That would be fun in a civil court.

Truly a prosecutors dream.


If the shooting was legally sound, then it wouldn't matter.  If lethal force is justified, then the means doesn't matter (vehicle, firearm, club, etc.).
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 4:14:18 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By hahaha:
Here is a photo. It has no lead in it, which is quite innovative. I would like to see some review on it.
http://www.conservativeinfidel.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/gun-ammo.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJGH7cDFw7c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJGH7cDFw7c
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Nothing really innovative about a solid coppe expanding projectile, Barnes has been making the XPB and TSX for over a decade.
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 7:29:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/26/2014 7:29:38 AM EDT by D_Man]
96gr total.

Within the first 4 or 5 inches, it sheds the "petals" which make individual, small wound tracks, nothing deep enough to reach vital organs.

The remaining base of the bullet, which is probably down to about 50gr of mass at this point, seems to be a solid slug that is acting like an FMJ ball round, hence the "deep penetration", but again without expansion, its a narrow wound channel.

From what it looks like so far, a gimmick round at best.
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 7:39:37 AM EDT
The rounds look like they will be expensive as all get out. being CNC machined.
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 7:40:16 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By D_Man:
96gr total.

Within the first 4 or 5 inches, it sheds the "petals" which make individual, small wound tracks, nothing deep enough to reach vital organs.

The remaining base of the bullet, which is probably down to about 50gr of mass at this point, seems to be a solid slug that is acting like an FMJ ball round, hence the "deep penetration", but again without expansion, its a narrow wound channel.

From what it looks like so far, a gimmick round at best.
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This.
and something else the gun grabbers will use against us. Look at these evil flower baby killing heat seeking Gatling gun bullets!
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 8:01:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/26/2014 8:01:59 AM EDT by lazyengineer]
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Originally Posted By D_Man:
96gr total.

Within the first 4 or 5 inches, it sheds the "petals" which make individual, small wound tracks, nothing deep enough to reach vital organs.

The remaining base of the bullet, which is probably down to about 50gr of mass at this point, seems to be a solid slug that is acting like an FMJ ball round, hence the "deep penetration", but again without expansion, its a narrow wound channel.

From what it looks like so far, a gimmick round at best.
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Agreed.  It's a frangible bullet - I wonder if it's any better than a standard frangible.  That can't be cheap to make.  Feed reliability is likely a treat with those sharp protrusions in the nose.  

Is this even legit?    Something I'd expect to see in the same flyer as:
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 8:47:08 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By D_Man:
96gr total.

Within the first 4 or 5 inches, it sheds the "petals" which make individual, small wound tracks, nothing deep enough to reach vital organs.

The remaining base of the bullet, which is probably down to about 50gr of mass at this point, seems to be a solid slug that is acting like an FMJ ball round, hence the "deep penetration", but again without expansion, its a narrow wound channel.

From what it looks like so far, a gimmick round at best.
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I agree that it appears to be an overpriced gimmick but remember that the 12" minimum is established so that a projectile can reach vital organs even if you have to take an oblique shot and the bullet needs to pass through an intervening object. In a more typical shot that does not include passing through an arm, those petals would certainly poke lots of holes in the lungs, pulmonary blood vessels, heart, etc.

Like I said, though, gimmicky bullshit.

Also, the "gel" shown appears to be Cleargel, not calibrated ordnance gelatin.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 7:01:34 PM EDT


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Originally Posted By D_Man:

96gr total.



Within the first 4 or 5 inches, it sheds the "petals" which make individual, small wound tracks, nothing deep enough to reach vital organs.



The remaining base of the bullet, which is probably down to about 50gr of mass at this point, seems to be a solid slug that is acting like an FMJ ball round, hence the "deep penetration", but again without expansion, its a narrow wound channel.



From what it looks like so far, a gimmick round at best.
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+1. Would like to see it in standard gel, or clear gel/sim test that wasn't from the manufacturer.
Link Posted: 1/28/2014 9:31:20 AM EDT
with that shape bullet, i guess it will decelerate really fast
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