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Posted: 2/24/2006 4:36:42 PM EST
I'm looking to get a new duty pistol and have been thinking about a .357 sig. Is this a good round? How will it compair to the .40 S&W as far has recoil and stopping power? I'm Looking at a glock . Is glock a good platform for the .357 sig??

Thanks,
Ranger99
Link Posted: 2/24/2006 7:01:13 PM EST
Glocks work, but I would go with a Sig. The .357 sig caliber is good, but ammo is expensive. You may want to get the 229 and get a .40 S&W barrel for practice, but carry .357 sig.
Link Posted: 2/24/2006 7:04:41 PM EST
.357Sig is a great round for duty/self defense. A P229, though more expensive than a Glock, will be more comfortable shooting. I've got a P229 with both .357 and .40 barrels, and both shoot great, though the .357 is more accurate (slightly). .357 is really loud, that might be something to consider from a duty standpoint.
Link Posted: 2/24/2006 8:51:07 PM EST
I say the Glock too.
I can't tell the difference in recoil between the .357 and .40 or 9mm...
Who cares what the noise is like if it saves your ass from being shot...
Personally I can't tell the difference in noise either, but I can't hear worth a crap anyway...
Link Posted: 2/24/2006 9:10:12 PM EST
.357 SIG = BIG basket ball size fireball at night.

I did and liked it... but I did not work nights. If I worked nights I might not have used that caliber. Once you shoot... it won't be hard to figure out where the shot came from. Shoot... move. shoot again... better move again!
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 11:49:07 AM EST
Other

P226 chambered in 9mm and loaded with either 147gr Ranger Ts (RA9T) or 124gr+P GDHP.
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 11:58:14 AM EST
Springfield XD 45acp 4" Service Model. Don't consider the 45gap either. Ammo price is high. Yes, there are some decent deals on the Springfield XD 45GAP, but have a box or so in shells, your savings are gone. Just picked up a XD45acp service model and it fits my hands well. Accuracy is comparable to my Glock 22. I think my G22 recoils more than the XD. Plus, it comes with a tac-rail too. Last, but not least, 14rds of 45acp.
Link Posted: 3/5/2006 1:30:43 PM EST
I have a SIG in 229 but I never bought the swap barrel in 357

I like the 40 just the way it is!

you can load 135JHP up to 1300FPS even hotter I bet?? thats close to the sig357


But if I had to pick from above SIG would be it PERIOD
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 1:31:02 PM EST
I have a 229 in .357 sig and a .40 barrel. Straight out of the box, I put the first 24 rounds of ammo through a standard (small) target at 25 yards, about a 10" pattern (.357). This was with no practice, no bench, just aim and fire.
The Sig is very intuitive for me, and obviously very accurate. That would be my choice.

There is a small difference between .40 and .357's recoil, the .357 is a bit snappier. As far as accuracy, at 25 yards I don't see any difference between .40 and .357.
I haven't tested them at longer ranges.
Link Posted: 3/9/2006 3:47:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By Ranger99:
I'm looking to get a new duty pistol and have been thinking about a .357 sig. Is this a good round? How will it compair to the .40 S&W as far has recoil and stopping power? I'm Looking at a glock . Is glock a good platform for the .357 sig??

Thanks,
Ranger99



The .357Sig has the same exterior ballistics as the .357 magnum, which has always been known as an excellent duty round. Wouldn't you prefer to have the most powerful duty round on you when 'it' hits the fan? In terms of muzzle energy and velocity, the .357Sig is more powerful. period.
I have a Glock 22 with a spare barrel for .357Sig and i cannot tell the difference in recoil except for the slightly louder report of the .357.
If i could do it over again, i'd buy a Glock 31 or 32 and a spare barrel in .40S&W

i'm also getting a Ciener .22 conversion kit for the Glock in the future
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 3:10:36 PM EST
lol why is the .45 GAP up there as an option?
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 11:38:42 PM EST
.357 SIG isn't that bad if you buy your practice ammo from Lancer


lancerammo.com/products/catalog.aspx?cat=5

lancerammo.com/products/catalog.aspx?cat=17

Some of the hotter 9mm +P+ out there will equal or exceede .357 SIG performance
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 11:54:12 PM EST
Texas Highway Patrol seems to think so.
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 12:20:29 AM EST

Originally Posted By 53vortec:
Texas Highway Patrol seems to think so.



Virginia State Police agree.
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 11:34:44 PM EST
I have heard many good things about the .357 Sig round. I would probably be willing to take it over .40S&W if I were buying today. Sure, you can drive the 135gr .40 to .357 Sig velocities, but the BC of the bullet sucks. It wouldn't surprise me a bit to watch it fall apart when it hits tissue.

You said this would be a duty weapon, so I must ask...why not the 226? Same round, bigger gun to get a grip on and slightly longer barrel to boot. Unless you have small hands, or concealment is an issue, you may be better off to look at the 226.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 8:11:03 AM EST

Originally Posted By Xenogy:
.?cat=17

Some of the hotter 9mm +P+ out there will equal or exceede .357 SIG performance



that simply isn't true... 9mm +p+ will *approach* .357sig ballistics, but NEVER exceeds it.
a 9mm needs to be loaded to dangerously high pressures to approach .357sig performance
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 12:48:24 PM EST
my carry pistol is the service XD in .357sig
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 7:51:33 AM EST
I am interested in this round for a new Glock i am gonna purchase, but i also like the .45 acp............which would serve better for self defense?
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 3:48:47 PM EST

Originally Posted By cyclone:
I am interested in this round for a new Glock i am gonna purchase, but i also like the .45 acp............which would serve better for self defense?




I think it's purely a matter of what YOU want. Some like big, heavy, slow bullets - .45ACP. Other like little, lighter, fast bullets - .357Sig.

If you intend to reload, there is no easier cartridge to reload than .45ACP, and I have been told that the .357 can be a gold-plated bitch to reload. .45 ammo will probably be cheaper at Wal-Mart than 357, but I don't think the prices will vary enough to bother you. I would happily carry either one, but I do prefer the .45
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 3:59:56 PM EST

Originally Posted By Xenogy:
.357 SIG isn't that bad if you buy your practice ammo from Lancer



Georgia Arms canned heat is great inexpensive practice ammo as well. My P226 gobbles it down without a burp.
Link Posted: 4/15/2006 5:12:42 PM EST
If you decide you need a .357 Sig, I would reccomend a Sig 226 or Sig 229. These are both excellent weapons with the ability to be converted to .40 S&W with a barrel swap. Do your homework before buyinga .357 Sig weapon. Muzzle blast is excessive and ammunition is more expensive and not as availbile as others. Terminal performance is nearly identical to that of a good +P 9mm round. A 226 in 9mm would be a better choice as you get increased magazine capacity, more availible/less expensive ammuntion and the same terminal performance. .357 Sig is a round that will certainly fade into obscurity, much like the .41 AE and others. Its certainly a capable performer and a viable defensive caliber, but it doesn't do anything a +P 9mm or .40 can't do for less trouble/money. If you like this caliber, by all means...buy one. Just really do your homework. Firearms Tactical Institue refered to the .357 Sig as a "solution in search of a problem".
Link Posted: 4/15/2006 5:37:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By METT-T:

Originally Posted By 53vortec:
Texas Highway Patrol seems to think so.

Virginia State Police agree.

NC Highway Patrol too
Link Posted: 4/15/2006 8:18:13 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/15/2006 8:19:08 PM EST by CAAAwarfighter]

Originally Posted By txgp17:

Originally Posted By METT-T:

Originally Posted By 53vortec:
Texas Highway Patrol seems to think so.

Virginia State Police agree.

NC Highway Patrol too



P229 357Sig for USSS and FAM too I believe.
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 11:29:54 AM EST
[Last Edit: 4/16/2006 11:31:04 AM EST by Variablebinary]
.40 can be loaded to closely match the KE and velocity of .357 SIG, and you get a bigger hole.

Hell even some +p+ 9mm loads match 357 SIG

If you have to use 357 SIG get the 229 DAK and call it day.

Link Posted: 4/16/2006 12:38:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By Ryno_the_wyno:
If you decide you need a .357 Sig, I would reccomend a Sig 226 or Sig 229. These are both excellent weapons with the ability to be converted to .40 S&W with a barrel swap. Do your homework before buyinga .357 Sig weapon. Muzzle blast is excessive and ammunition is more expensive and not as availbile as others. Terminal performance is nearly identical to that of a good +P 9mm round. A 226 in 9mm would be a better choice as you get increased magazine capacity, more availible/less expensive ammuntion and the same terminal performance. .357 Sig is a round that will certainly fade into obscurity, much like the .41 AE and others. Its certainly a capable performer and a viable defensive caliber, but it doesn't do anything a +P 9mm or .40 can't do for less trouble/money. If you like this caliber, by all means...buy one. Just really do your homework. Firearms Tactical Institue refered to the .357 Sig as a "solution in search of a problem".



You know, I keep hearing this, and I keep seeing state and federal agencies adopting the round and saying they're pleased as punch with it.
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 1:01:08 PM EST

Originally Posted By METT-T:

Originally Posted By Ryno_the_wyno:
If you decide you need a .357 Sig, I would reccomend a Sig 226 or Sig 229. These are both excellent weapons with the ability to be converted to .40 S&W with a barrel swap. Do your homework before buyinga .357 Sig weapon. Muzzle blast is excessive and ammunition is more expensive and not as availbile as others. Terminal performance is nearly identical to that of a good +P 9mm round. A 226 in 9mm would be a better choice as you get increased magazine capacity, more availible/less expensive ammuntion and the same terminal performance. .357 Sig is a round that will certainly fade into obscurity, much like the .41 AE and others. Its certainly a capable performer and a viable defensive caliber, but it doesn't do anything a +P 9mm or .40 can't do for less trouble/money. If you like this caliber, by all means...buy one. Just really do your homework. Firearms Tactical Institue refered to the .357 Sig as a "solution in search of a problem".



You know, I keep hearing this, and I keep seeing state and federal agencies adopting the round and saying they're pleased as punch with it.



You would think the Secret Service, bodygaurds of the Leader of the Free World and only super power, could pick any round they wanted...

I wonder why they chose the .357 Sig?
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 1:05:54 PM EST
.357 Sig + 9mm ballistics with 40SW mag capacity.

With proper ammo selection 9,,, 357Sig, 40SW & .45ACP aere so simular in performance that I'll default to the one with the lowest cost and highest mag capacity.
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 1:08:17 PM EST

Originally Posted By Rampant_Colt:

Originally Posted By Xenogy:
.?cat=17

Some of the hotter 9mm +P+ out there will equal or exceede .357 SIG performance



that simply isn't true... 9mm +p+ will *approach* .357sig ballistics, but NEVER exceeds it.
a 9mm needs to be loaded to dangerously high pressures to approach .357sig performance



Not if perfomance means terminal ballistics. If that is you measure of performance there is no significant difference in performance between the best 9mm and best .357Sig loads.
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 2:47:21 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/16/2006 2:53:27 PM EST by rlcanon]

Originally Posted By Ryno_the_wyno:
.357 Sig is a round that will certainly fade into obscurity, much like the .41 AE and others.... Firearms Tactical Institue refered to the .357 Sig as a "solution in search of a problem".



The following list looks like a round on the fast track to obscurity...

(ETA: If the Ryno is right and .357SIG does slip into obsolescence, he makes a great point that the SIGs he mentioned can be converted to .40 with a barrel swap!)

(Ganked from this thread: www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=34&t=28479)

A parftial list of agencies using the .357Sig round...

Alameda County
Delaware State Police (First to adopt the 357 SIG)
Dallas, Texas Police
Federal Air Marshals
Federal Protective Services (FPS) Special Agents for General Services Administration (GSA) - P229
Keizer Police Department, Oregon
La Porte County Indiana Sheriff's Department
Laurence County Sheriff's Office, Tennessee
Las Vegas Metro Police (allowed use of)
Liberty Twp Police Dept, Ohio
Maine Aroostook County Sheriff's Office
Maine Game Wardens (P226)
Maricopa County [Phoenix] Arizona Sheriff's Office/MCSO
Montcalm County (Michigan) Sheriff's Office
New Jersey Division of Fish & Game
New Mexico State Police
Niles Police Dept, Ohio
Northwood Police Dept, ND
NC Highway Patrol
NC Wake County Sheriff's Department
NC Wildlife Enforcement Officers
Nueces County Sheriff Department, Texas (Sigpro)
Oakland County Sheriff's Dept, Michigan
Orange Police Dept, CT (sig pro, SP2340 .357)
Orlando PD (plainclothes officers)
Oxford, Mississippi
Richmond, Virginia
Rocky Mount Police Dept, Rocky Mount, NC
Springfield, IL
Tennessee Highway Patrol
Union County Sheriff's Office, Marysville, Ohio (Glock 31)
Texas, DPS
United States (GSA) - Office of Inspector General (OIG) Special Agents - P229
United States Secret Service
Virginia State Police

Link Posted: 4/17/2006 7:11:25 AM EST
Dallas PD does not issue .357sig. They authorize their officers to purchase a SIG Sauer chambered in .357SIG at the officers cost. They still issue P226s in 9mm using the 147gr Ranger T.

And now, here's one of the intrawebs, famous pictures.....



Note: All of the "Fab 4" defensive cartridges perform almost identically.*

Also Note: That 147gr 9mm out penetrated .125gr .357sig.

Its that whole "doing more with less arguement" that keeps the 9mm in its place up at the top.


*Please dont give any "wisdom" on the temporary stretch cavity shown. It aint a wounding factor in handgun cartridges.
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 8:07:55 AM EST

Originally Posted By FAIL-SAFE:
Dallas PD does not issue .357sig. They authorize their officers to purchase a SIG Sauer chambered in .357SIG at the officers cost. They still issue P226s in 9mm using the 147gr Ranger T.

And now, here's one of the intrawebs, famous pictures.....

i10.photobucket.com/albums/a113/Francesux/Handgun_gel_comparisoAA49F.jpg

Note: All of the "Fab 4" defensive cartridges perform almost identically.*

Also Note: That 147gr 9mm out penetrated .125gr .357sig.

Its that whole "doing more with less arguement" that keeps the 9mm in its place up at the top.


*Please dont give any "wisdom" on the temporary stretch cavity shown. It aint a wounding factor in handgun cartridges.



Well that settles that then, doesn't it?
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 8:15:35 AM EST
With the the XD now available in .45acp and a Melonite finish, I would think that it would be the perfect duty gun. 13+1 of .45acp in a perfect sized, accurate package is pretty tough to beat.
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 11:58:56 AM EST
I haven't seen anyone complain about a lack of results from a .357Sig shooting. I use a P229 .357 Sig. I also have a .40 barrel, but I find the .357Sig to be more accurate and to recoil less. IMHO
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 4:26:57 PM EST

Originally Posted By donglock26:
I haven't seen anyone complain about a lack of results from a .357Sig shooting. I use a P229 .357 Sig. I also have a .40 barrel, but I find the .357Sig to be more accurate and to recoil less. IMHO



It took you five years to post that?



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