Posted: 5/13/2006 10:40:10 PM EDT
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So I have my eye on a USP and GLock 17. I found that silly little HK vs Glock thread and found it less then helpfull.  Well, most of it wasnt helpfull much. Anywho, this is my last bit of research before going out and buying my weapon. It will be used for darn near everything. Camping, CCW, fun shooting, ect. Glock 17 and a streamlight vs an USP in 9mm with HK light. Price on each is comparable as the usp is running on a good deal. Which has the smoother trigger? Which can I expect to be more accurate? Which pistol will have a higher round count lifespan? If I clean every 100 rounds and keep putting them down range, which pistol do you feel would go down first? I handled each but was unable to dry fire either weapon. I have no problems with either pistol. They both felt good and pointed well. The Glock fit my hand slightly better but neither would be a problem. If I could I would get both. :) Trust me... both would be sweet. And also... why Glock 17? Tell me your tintilating tales of your super tuperware! Tell my why it works better for you than a usp in your honest opinion. Ill have both eventually... just not yet. |
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If I had to chose only one firearm it would be without a doubt, a glock. I have owned both glock 17 and a USP compact I was more pleased with the glock than the USP. Glock NEVER jams....ever, point blank, end of statement...it will not jam. USP, is a reliable weapon but has jammed on me. Trigger pull, both long and unpleasing. Point goes to USP for trigger though, the glock takes some getting used to. Point and shoot ability... which ever fits better for you When it comes down to it I carry a Glock. I bet my life with it every day. In the end it is your decision though. If you get the glock and dont like it, try the USP... No harm in that 
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I'm making this post as a USP and G17 owner: The proprietary rail on the USP is a pain in the ass. I have a GG&G adapter on mine but still, it sucks that I even need that. I'm much more accurate with my G17 (and GLOCKs in general) than I am with my USP and USPc. I can't stand the long mushy trigger pulls of the H&K 9mm. I can shoot the USP45 like nobodies business but I can't hit the broad side of a barn with the 9mms. I find my H&Ks have much more perceived recoil and more muzzle rise probably because of the higher bore axis. It's easier to find holsters and accessories for the G17. You can find just about any holster, in any configuration, with or without a light all day long. You can get IWB, OWB, thigh rigs, with any rail mounted light you can think of. It's a little trickier with the USPs. Accessories and spare parts are every where for the GLOCKs. I have found both to be very reliable. My USP9c did have some reliability issues early on but those went away after a break in period. I did suffer a mini-kaboom or case rupture (6 o'clock) in my full size USP. However, other than blowing the magazine out the bottom of the magwell, and scaring the shit out of me the gun itself was fine. That's about all I can think of for now. |
Yes, especially the magazines! You can buy 3 17 round GLOCK mags for the price of ONE 15 round USP mag! |
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Also coming from personal experience (USPc, G17, G19), I'd say stick with G19 for all purpose (including CCW) Ya, my G17 is practically given away to my dad for home defense. Glock is one gun I can dry fire remorselessly for days on ends. Due to this fact, my trigger finger responds to Glock trigger very well  Edit: Trigger: I prefer Glock trigger. More crisp and cleaner break than mushy USP trigger. Also the reset on Glock is very short. Accuracy: I outshot a friend who's a big HK afficionado with G17 (he was using USP9). Since then his ability has increased, but I'm confidant I could still have the upper hand  Accuracy all comes down to how many dry fires you can do Ruggedness: USP seems to be built a bit more sturdier (especially the slide) However, if you have any problem with Glock, just show up at GSSF and the armorer will fix it or replace it for free. Good luck. |
Maybe you missed it but most of us that replied OWN BOTH. We stated the pros and cons of each so far I think it's been pretty fair and most commented that the original poster should get both. Don't you have some ghay hero worship thread to participate in? |
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I'd get the G17. I also own HKs, and used my USP Match .45 for many years as my SWAT handgun of choice. Mags; more expensive. I've never found the HK pistol even close to the price of a Glock, but if you have then it's a good deal. Parts; getting parts from HK takes an act of congress. Customer service sucks if you aren't an important big shot or the US military. More expensive to boot. Magazines are about a three-for-one as noted above. For use as a field or tactical gun (which are prone to such things as falling in water, getting very muddy, etc.) think about this, field stripping is about the same for both guns, ease wise, but detailing out the HK for cleaning is a major pain. It's a Chinese jigsaw puzzle and if you get it wrong you can actually damage the frame putting it back together. FWIW, I'm the rangemaster at my PD and I've been to a few factory armorer schools. I find the HK a pain to detail out. The G17 can be detail stripped by a monkey. I actually use the G17 as my field pistol, take it hunting and what not. I've found that mine even work with CCI snake shot if need be. With the Win 127+p+ ammo I'm getting 1320fps over my crono so I've basically got a 20 shot .357mag (+2 mag bases) that conceals well. I much prefer the Glock trigger to the SA/DA triggers. My PD is in the middle of switching to the G17 from a DA/SA triggger system gun. Scores are up across the board. Of course YMMV. PS; the HK light kinda sucks. The M3X light or the Xiphos are way, WAY better. |
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Well it comes down to how the gun feels in your hand. But here's a list from a dual owner. USP Pros - Liftime warranty. A fully supported chamber whick reduces the damage from K-booms. Decocker and safety allows you to carry chambered round without concern. SA/DA allows a short learning curve from a 1911 and Browning highpowers. Dozens of diffirent trigger combos allow you to suite the gun to your means. DAO/LEM/etc. Low recoil with dual recoil spring sytem in 40 S & W and 45 ACP. Accuracy slightly better than Glock. CONS - Hideously expensive magazines and accesories. Special rail which requires adapter to standard NATO rails. Adapters are cheap, ie CDNN has one for $20 dollers, but holsters selection sparse. Terrible HK customer support. Good luck finding individual parts. Full sized models in 357 Sig have feeding issues. Very long DA trigger pull on first shot. Glock PROS - Cheap magazines and wide variety of accesories. Ease of parts availablity. Glock customer support above all. switch to 357 Sig from 40 S&W ease with barrel change on all models. Wide use among police departments mean tons of good used avaliable at reasonable cost. CONS - Unsupported chamber has lead to Kbooms with remanunfactered ammo. Mostly in 40 S & W. Short warrenty means you'll foot the bill for damage after expiry. Brass expands much greater than USP. Some reloaders say service life is shortened. DAO. Difficult coversion for SA/DA shooter from 1911 etc. This is just my opinon. Just use the Pro and Cons and make up your mind. Honestly, I like MY USP, Glock equally. Its just they are totally diffirent animals and you have to make you decision on what wou plan on using it for. I will say, novice shooters who have not ever fired a pistol find the Glock easier to master. The USP is more difficult, but has far more versatility. My .02 |
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Well guys I kinda put a Glock 17 on layaway today. The large sum of money that I thought was comming to me never made it so it had to go on layaway. I wanted to walk out with a new pistol today! I have no brand preference. I chose the Glock because when I brought it up to my eyes it did point well. The trigger wasn't a long pull though it was kinda mushy It fits my hand like a glove. The full size just felt right... I wont be carrying non stop 24/7 so I dont think a full size will really hinder me. The accessories! |
And in the end, we have the one bit that actually matters. All the internet gun debates in the word tend to miss the one important thing.... Ergonomics. Whatever fits your hand the best, whatever you are most comfortable operating is what you should get. (Given that your options are all from quality reputible manufacturers and meet your basic needs.) Deciding what works best for YOU is the only way to select a firearm you may be staking your life on. There is no subsitute for practical hands on use to find out what works best for you. I just recently moved from a G17 to a USP and my accuracy is far better with the USP. Is it a better gun? Nope, they are both excellent. It's just a better fit for my hand and shooting style. Both are capable of great accuracy, far more than I'll ever be able to demostrate with a few hours at the range a week. Enjoy your glock, I still love shooting mine. |
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Glock while the HK USP (.45acp, Full) fits my hand the best, the glock has em beat overall for the price and availability of stuff for em the only thing that would make me take my HK over my glock is a better trigger, a better safety, cheaper mags and holsters  i own: G29 G30 G19 G17 G26 HK USPf .45acp |
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Of all these posts that I have read. No one has mentioned the fact that H&K designed their polymer frames with steel inserted inside to protect the user incase of over pressured rounds. Glocks dont have any steel inserts and the polymer is soft compared to H&K. Just squeeze the mag well and you will see a Glock's flex while the H&K doesnt. I own a Glock 31 and H&K USP 9mm, USP Compact 9mm. I prefer the H&K"s due to feel. The sharp checking helps with positive retention in the hands as well when you sweat while shooting. Glocks get slippery if you have sweaty palms or there is blood on your hands. I shot my HK with blood on my hands and it did not slip. The checking does start hurting after a while tho if you shoot without gloves.
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Which USP trigger are you comparing the Glock trigger to? One of the nice things about the USP line is you have your choice between 9 different triggers. HK’s LEM trigger is the one most similar to the Glock “safe action” trigger (in use, not design). Preference is going to play into this one largely. I don’t think anybody is going to rave about the feel of the Glock trigger but compared to the HK LEM trigger, I’ll take the Glock trigger any day.
Don’t worry about it. Either weapon is more then accurate enough for their intended purpose and really, this is not a question that anybody can answer for you. The only way for you to know which one is more accurate for you, is for you to shoot each and see for yourself.
Just so you know, cleaning either one of these pistols every 100 rounds would be a waste of time and energy. I try to clean my guns after each range visit (which is almost always more then 100 rounds) but if I don’t get to it, I don’t sweat it and it hasn’t been a problem so far. From the tests I seen of both, it is unlikely you will ever wear either one of these pistols out. If you look hard enough, I'm sure you can find some one-off stories about specific examples of either one of these pistols breaking with low round counts but that is not the norm for either of them.
You will never really know which one is better for you until you get some range time with both. No way around that. You really need to at least dry fire them but even that only has a very limited use is determining which one is right for you.
I assume you mean over the other Glock 9mm’s? I like the G17 the best because it fits my hand better and I am more accurate with it then I am with the G19 or the G26. It is the “original” Glock and judging by my experience with them and what I see in real life and the Internet, it seems to be the most reliable Glock (not that the other Glocks are problematic). I bought my first G17 back in ’94 and haven’t had one problem with it since. The only down side to the G17 IMO is it’s size. For me it’s just a little too big for CCW. Apparently, a lot of people carry G17’s for CCW, I’m just not one of them. Reasons why I like the Glock over the HK – Both are reliable, quality firearms that you can trust your life on. Either one is more then accurate enough for defensive purposes and if you spend enough time shooting either one, you can become deadly accurate with it. That said, I can see no reason to spend $200-$300 more for an HK and then spend 2x-3x as much $ for full capacity magazines. I also feel the Glock design is easier for the average DIY'er to work on then the HK and parts are easier to locate and cheaper to buy for the Glock as well. I also like that fact that with the G26, G19, G17 and G34 which all share a number of parts and can also share magazines, the Glock is closer to a weapon “system” then the USP line is. Someday I hope Glock will wake up and build a 9mm carbine that will also share some parts and magazines with the rest of their 9mm lineup and complete the “system” Just my $.02. Good luck 
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I've owned both the H & K USP and a G17 All I have now is the G17.................. Guess which one you think I recommend...? The USP was one big Brick of a Handgun with wicked Muzzle flip and hugely overpriced Magazines with limited Accessories. The Glock is the AR of Pistols |
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Which has the smoother trigger? USP, especially for subsequent shots or in SA mode Which can I expect to be more accurate? If by that you mean which is easier to hit the bullseye with, USP in single action mode. Which pistol will have a higher round count lifespan? If I clean every 100 rounds and keep putting them down range, which pistol do you feel would go down first? USP I sold my USPs but miss my USP45F. The USP9 was a nice size but I couldn't shoot it very accurately for some reason, whereas I could shoot the USP45F as well as a 1911. Also I detest the plastic magazines for the USP9. They are not metal lined. Very flimsy compared to Glock. The USP45 magazines are metal. I do like the USP mag release. I would recommend going with the Glock, but the USP9 is not bad either. |
There, fixed it for ya
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+1 1911s are the AR of pistols
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I do carry my 17 nonstop in a VM2 no problem. I got two G-17's and 2 usp's. I love them both but the Glock is far more practical, especially for ccw. Good luck. |
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Have you shot both? Try before you buy. Personally, I'd pick the Glock 17 over the HK ; and I'm not even a Glock fan. (I own one Glock and will never buy another because the one I have is all I need and I like my 1911s and SIGs better). The advantages I see of the Glock over the HK: - Price - More widely distributed; easier to get parts & work done if needed - Price and availability of mags (the reason i bought one was to use at IDPA shoots on courses with mud puddles and I didn't want to drop my $30 SIG mags or Wilson 47-Ds in the mud) - Less muzzle flip when shooting - Less bulky. The advantage the HK has over the Glock: Firing mode selection. Period. Take each out for a "test drive" and see which is better for you. |
