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Posted: 10/3/2007 3:49:34 PM EST
I don't have one now. And it's been bugging me. I kinda want one. But then again, I'm not a huge fan of recoil. Nor am I super crazy about revolvers. Although I don't dislike them. Some parts of our state for deer hunting require, pistol or shotgun. And I think I dislike shooting slugs more than any other kind of shooting there is. I had some rebated recoil ones that weren't too bad but dang. It's like 3 shots and I need to see the dentist to put everything back in. I really like shooting pistols. And would really like to hunt deer or something with one someday. So..... hence my question. I almost feel like just getting a longer barrel for my 1911 if I ever hunt deer (in our state it has to be 5.5" minimum to hunt deer) but most people look at me like I have two heads if I suggest using that caliber for hunting.

Maybe I'll take my .38 snubby out and see if it helps me answer my own question. I don't get enough time shooting all the guns I really like though.

But for those of you that have them, would you be lost without them and why??? And if you were to buy one for a dual purpose hunting SD role, what would you get?

I know that's a lot of questions, but thank you for any responses.
Link Posted: 10/3/2007 4:00:22 PM EST
what are you shooting in a 357 where you get that much recoil?

if you want a toy in 357 youre going to get some recoil. thats the way it works out. also, dont fight it, go with the flow.

try some of the medium/larger frame revolvers.

IE GP100, NOT SP101.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
S&W 5/686 series
Colt Python/Lawman/king Cobra series

also, stick to a 4" tube or longer.

also, if youre stuck on those +P+++++++++ rounds or the other hot rounds, yes, youre going to feel some recoil. find some reloads or have a friend make some lighter loads for you to get use to the recoil and handling.

i have a GP100, 4" i used for my SD class and if i do carry its the one. it doesn make any dif what i carry, but i like my wheel guns.

Link Posted: 10/3/2007 4:12:35 PM EST
A wheel gun is always a good addition, however you don't NEED one. I personally like the s&w 686. It's about as perfect of a .357 as you can get and at a (somewhat) decent price.
Link Posted: 10/3/2007 4:17:13 PM EST
I have an SP101 and used to carry a GP100 as a duty revolver. You may or may not shoot it much but you damned sure wont regret having it. I'd seriously reccomend a 4" GP100 it will handle any loads you can sanely put in it and will tame the recoil nicely. It's not the most graceful revolver as it's fairly heavy but it's also damned tough.

If they made the GP100 as a 5 shot .44 or .45 Colt I'd carry one every day.

( yes I like big bullets )
Link Posted: 10/3/2007 4:19:54 PM EST
I've had my Dan Wesson .357 in Stainless for 22 years and it is my most accurate and go to pistol. Can't go wrong when you can switch from; 2 to 4 to 6 to 8 to 10 inch barrels...oops, there goes my ballistic finger print. And new tubes run between $65 to $120 bucks. Nice SHTF wheel gun, you can put a red dot on the 10" and shoot 38's out of the 2"...how much more versatility can you have?
Link Posted: 10/3/2007 4:20:08 PM EST
It wouldnt hurt, I have one but have never shot it.
Link Posted: 10/3/2007 4:20:26 PM EST
I keep a 7 shot 686 in the safe and a bit of reloading components for it but it's just because of ammo availability that I keep one. I normally shoot either 22 LR or 44 Magnum when it come to hangun shooting. 38/357 ammo is soooooo common that having a gun in that chambering is almost a must.
Link Posted: 10/3/2007 4:20:51 PM EST
My 4" stainless GP-100 is my favorite handgun. Get one, you won't regret it. Another good choice would be a S&W 686. Recoil is not that bad with either one.
Link Posted: 10/3/2007 4:26:05 PM EST
I love my 6" Ruger GP100. Some would consider .357 marginal for deer hunting though. Get close and pick your shots carefully. If you aren't willing to pass up raking shots on the buck of a lifetime........ I also love my .44 Super Redhawk.
Link Posted: 10/3/2007 4:30:49 PM EST
I have 3: SP101 for CCW, a 6" ported Taurus 669, and a Desert Eagle Mark 1.

.357 is fun. Especially if you reload, cause then you can go mild or wild if you want with the loads.
Link Posted: 10/3/2007 4:36:50 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/3/2007 4:54:00 PM EST
I picked up an 8-shot .357 for just this very reason. Taurus something. $450


1,000 rounds of .357 from Ammoman later and I feel alright.

It doesnt kick much and is fun to chop down trees with! ( fuck the environment )

I figure it's good to have a gun that can fire one of the most common rounds in America: .38 special / .357

Link Posted: 10/3/2007 5:06:08 PM EST
You don't HAVE to have one, just like you don't need both kidneys or your arms and legs.
Link Posted: 10/3/2007 8:21:16 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/3/2007 8:25:11 PM EST by Mike_Mills]
If you want one and want to hunt with it, I'd suggest a 6" barrel (or longer).

Even a 4" barrel gives up too much of what makes the .357 tick - muzzle velocity. .357 usually use a slower powder and require the longer barrel to extract the energy from the gas put it into the bullet. For example, a snub-nosed 357 is exactly and totally wrong.

If you get the longer barrel you will also get less recoil and less muzzler flip. You will also get less muzzle flash.

The cream of the crop is the S&W 686 and the Colt Python (my personal favorite of the two). Which ever you get, if it's for self defense, be 100% sure it's 100% reliable. Shoot it and keep it loaded with the same ammo you practice with. That way you also know the ammo is also 100% reliable.
Link Posted: 10/4/2007 1:05:24 AM EST

Originally Posted By SGB:

What do you think, do you have to have a .357 in the arsenal?


Nope


Yep
Link Posted: 10/4/2007 2:51:18 AM EST
Not having a .357 Revolver in your Arsenal is un-American. Not having a S&W .357 is just bad taste
Link Posted: 10/4/2007 2:55:01 AM EST
I am an auto man, but I also have a 6" GP-100 and a Super Blackhawk 44. When all else fails, fall back on the revolvers...
Link Posted: 10/4/2007 3:11:06 AM EST

Originally Posted By SGB:

What do you think, do you have to have a .357 in the arsenal?


Nope


Another nope.

ZM
Link Posted: 10/4/2007 4:11:35 AM EST
I have 2, a Ruger GP100 4" stainless on the night stand and a Smith J-frame scandium for everyday concealed carry.

Wheel guns don't jam!
Link Posted: 10/4/2007 4:33:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By PzIvF2s:
I have 2, a Ruger GP100 4" stainless on the night stand and a Smith J-frame scandium for everyday concealed carry.

Wheel guns don't jam!


You've obviously never seen the lockwork seize up on a revolver - that's one that "tap-rack-bang" don't fix!
Link Posted: 10/4/2007 4:42:52 AM EST
I didnt have one, and got to wanting one pretty bad........lo and behold I found a sweet deal on a used GP-1004 inch barrel that had 25 rounds through it.........practically brand new
Link Posted: 10/4/2007 4:43:00 AM EST
That is one of the first guns that I have bought for my "collection."


Originally Posted By 53vortec:

Originally Posted By PzIvF2s:
I have 2, a Ruger GP100 4" stainless on the night stand and a Smith J-frame scandium for everyday concealed carry.

Wheel guns don't jam!


You've obviously never seen the lockwork seize up on a revolver - that's one that "tap-rack-bang" don't fix!
Yep, if you get any little unburnt powder granule or any debris of any sort under the ejector star, it could make turning the cylinder very difficult or impossible. Revolvers are not that tolerant of foreign debris if you have to do a reload.
Link Posted: 10/4/2007 4:43:35 AM EST
I have an "old style" Ruger Blackhawk in .357
Link Posted: 10/4/2007 4:43:53 AM EST
8 of them.
Link Posted: 10/4/2007 4:55:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By anon23bf:
You don't HAVE to have one, just like you don't need both kidneys or your arms and legs.


I LOL'd outloud. And agree totally. One NEEDS to have one of each gun out there. You know, just in case.

BTW: I like to shoot .357s once or twice a month. Don't know if this works for the guys, but if I shoot my .357 and really, really work on my trigger control and accuracy, then when I go back to my .38 (or my 9mm, or .40 or .45 -- I have a lot of guns ) I find that I am a lot more accurate with my lighter calibers. Whenever I plateau with one of my lighter guns, I move to .357 and practice like there is no tomorrow. Works every time. I don't know, maybe it is just a girl thing.
Link Posted: 10/4/2007 7:54:05 AM EST

Originally Posted By osprey21:
I have an "old style" Ruger Blackhawk in .357


Yes, it's hard to beat a "three-screw" !



Link Posted: 10/4/2007 8:17:00 AM EST

Originally Posted By wetidlerjr:

Originally Posted By SGB:

What do you think, do you have to have a .357 in the arsenal?


Nope


Yep



Originally Posted By fla556guy:
A wheel gun is always a good addition, however you don't NEED one. I personally like the s&w 686. It's about as perfect of a .357 as you can get and at a (somewhat) decent price.


+1 to both

i never saw myself liking wheelguns too much--that was my dad's forte; h/w, i picked up a SW 681 (same as the 686 but non-adjustable sights) and i think its a great HG

its my new field/hunting sidearm (replacing my G29) when hunting now

i also might pick up/trade for a GP 100...they are also great
Link Posted: 10/4/2007 1:23:00 PM EST
Yep, Security six. My woods carry gun where the greatest threat would be black bears/medium to small wild boars and other critters in that range. An excellent outdoors general purpose caliber (Not to be confused with a combat caliber or even hunting caliber).
Link Posted: 10/4/2007 1:30:36 PM EST

Originally Posted By GaryM:
Yep, Security six. My woods carry gun where the greatest threat would be black bears/medium to small wild boars and other critters in that range. An excellent outdoors general purpose caliber (Not to be confused with a combat caliber or even hunting caliber).


Yes, you can't beat a Security Six in .357 !



This will "reach out and touch" anything I would find in "The Wilds of Indiana."
Link Posted: 10/4/2007 2:35:55 PM EST
I have a Ruger Vaquero in .44 magnum. I don't think the recoil is all that bad. I don't have a .357, but I don't see how a .357 could be any worse.
Link Posted: 10/4/2007 3:16:34 PM EST
My first gun was a .357, and my current biggest gun is a 4" 66 .357 mag.
Handgun hunting is fun but like everyone has said about a .357, shot placement. If you have to have a 5.5"+ like you said, a 6" S&W 686 .357 would be good, or a GP100. More velocity out of 6", more weight to control recoil, and shooting varmints w/ .38's can be relaxing. It can double as a backup house gun. 357 mag isn't punishing in a bigger gun, or uncontrolable. Just takes practice if you aren't used to/crazy about revolvers.
What do you think of the Ruger Blackhawk? Single action and not double, but a 5.5" is a good hunting gun.
Link Posted: 10/4/2007 3:18:02 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/4/2007 3:19:47 PM EST by uglygun]
S&W Model 27 or Model 28, best of the breed with the most heritage to boot.

But then I've always been biased towards N-framed Smiths, 4in 27-2 and 6in 28-2 are on left side along with the predacessor to the 357Mag a 38/44 Outdoorsman.

Link Posted: 10/4/2007 3:23:18 PM EST

Originally Posted By Bossmonkey:
My first gun was a .357, and my current biggest gun is a 4" 66 .357 mag.
Handgun hunting is fun but like everyone has said about a .357, shot placement. If you have to have a 5.5"+ like you said, a 6" S&W 686 .357 would be good, or a GP100. More velocity out of 6", more weight to control recoil, and shooting varmints w/ .38's can be relaxing. It can double as a backup house gun. 357 mag isn't punishing in a bigger gun, or uncontrolable. Just takes practice if you aren't used to/crazy about revolvers.
What do you think of the Ruger Blackhawk? Single action and not double, but a 5.5" is a good hunting gun.


I kind of mislead you on the 5.5" rule I think. It's from muzzle to firing pin. So a 4" meets the mark legally. On a 1911, you'd just have to lengthen it .5".

I can't believe most of you think the .357 is a little light for Deer. My uncle shot an Antelope at 80 yards with his and it dropped with one shot. I know it's not a northern whitetail but I don't know. Shot placement is necessary for any hunting caliber. Unless it's a bullet that penetrates far and fragments violently. then you're safe anywhere close.
Link Posted: 10/4/2007 3:52:45 PM EST
I don't think a .357 is necessary, but I find them so enjoyable that I doubt I'll be without one again if I can help it.
Link Posted: 10/4/2007 8:21:15 PM EST
I've got a bunch of different .357s and they are all a bit different. 2x 686s and 2x 66s and I've gone through some Rugers. I love the S&Ws and don't like the Rugers.

If you found an older N-frame S&W like a 28 with a long barrel I'd bet you could put a mean hurt on some woodland creatures. Get yourself a scope and some good loads and rock on!

I know they made the 686 with an 8" and maybe even a 10" barrel. Should cover all your needs nicely.

Good luck!
Link Posted: 10/4/2007 8:36:16 PM EST
I have a GP-100, but am thinking seriously about selling it.

I have three different .44 caliber handguns. Since I handload I can make my .44s kill anything a .357 will kill, with recoil as tame or as wild as I'd want. I can also kill stuff a .357 shooter has no business taking on.

My Ruger .357 is nice, but it just never goes to the range with me anymore. My "Go to" revolver is my 4 inch S&W 29-2. I mostly shoot that with "medium" powered .44 special handloads (265gr @ 800fps). It's all the horsepower I need for 4-legged stuff in Michigan.
Link Posted: 10/4/2007 8:52:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By JellyBelly:
I have a GP-100, but am thinking seriously about selling it.



Sell it!
Link Posted: 10/4/2007 9:53:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By Mr-Shatters:

Originally Posted By JellyBelly:
I have a GP-100, but am thinking seriously about selling it.



Sell it!


If I do it'll be local. I want $300 for it and there's no way in hell anyone's going to pay that AND another $60-$75 in FedEx's and UPS's mandatory overnight shipping. I'll cover shipping on long guns, but I'm tired of losing my ass on handgun shipping expenses. This'll be a FTF deal or I'll just keep it.

Link Posted: 10/5/2007 7:43:59 AM EST
Nope.

I'm not sure what the .357 cartridge is good for.

For self defense against humans, a .45 auto is better.

For self defense against big animals, a .44 Mag or .454 Cassull revolver is better.
Link Posted: 10/5/2007 8:57:49 AM EST
My first gun was my 6" stainless Ruger GP-100 .357, so I guess my "arsenal" started with a .357. I do thing everyone at least should have 1 revolver weather its .357 or not.
Link Posted: 10/5/2007 9:08:21 AM EST
I am not against getting a .44 magnum either and shoot .44 special for practice and SD, and then switch to something hotter for hunting. I'm planning on getting into handloading but I have Zero brass of this type. I don't know. I personally think a .357 with the right bullet would be fine for deer within a certain range. I'm thinking at least 50 yards or more.
Link Posted: 10/5/2007 9:12:31 AM EST

Originally Posted By fla556guy:
A wheel gun is always a good addition, however you don't NEED one. I personally like the s&w 686. It's about as perfect of a .357 as you can get and at a (somewhat) decent price.


+1 and a lever action in .357 would be good too...for plinking and home self defense
Link Posted: 10/5/2007 9:13:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By wetidlerjr:

Originally Posted By osprey21:
I have an "old style" Ruger Blackhawk in .357


Yes, it's hard to beat a "three-screw" !



"Three-screwS" always gets me exited
Link Posted: 10/5/2007 9:14:55 AM EST
You don't have to have one if you don't want. Personally, I have three of them (plus a .38) and I'll probably buy more . . .
Link Posted: 10/5/2007 10:54:58 AM EST

Originally Posted By HK-USP:

Originally Posted By wetidlerjr:

Originally Posted By osprey21:
I have an "old style" Ruger Blackhawk in .357


Yes, it's hard to beat a "three-screw" !



"Three-screwS" always gets me exited


I have a Ruger 3-screw. They were all built with a facotry defect (undersized bore). I had Hamilton Bowen correct that and now it's a .44 Special, as God intended.
Link Posted: 10/5/2007 11:09:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By JellyBelly:

Originally Posted By HK-USP:

Originally Posted By wetidlerjr:

Originally Posted By osprey21:
I have an "old style" Ruger Blackhawk in .357


Yes, it's hard to beat a "three-screw" !



"Three-screwS" always gets me exited


I have a Ruger 3-screw. They were all built with a facotry defect (undersized bore). I had Hamilton Bowen correct that and now it's a .44 Special, as God intended.


You mean .44-40, right?
Link Posted: 10/5/2007 3:17:27 PM EST
Ruger Six-Series revolvers are nice.

Link Posted: 10/5/2007 5:31:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/5/2007 5:33:11 PM EST by rbblrwsr]

Originally Posted By airgunner:
Not having a .357 Revolver in your Arsenal is un-American. Not having a S&W .357 is just bad taste


Uh-oh! Looks like I'm the typical Caucasian-American with bad taste (6" GP-100).

Link Posted: 10/6/2007 6:09:05 AM EST
.357's are cool! Especially older Colts. I have a Python, a King Cobra and a Magnum Carry 2" SS snubby!
Link Posted: 10/7/2007 3:10:23 AM EST
It's unAmerican to not have a .357!

Between the wife and I, we have 4. My wife inherited a beautiful 6" Royal Blue Python from her father and I have a 4" SS GP100, a 2 1/4" SS SP101 and a 2 1/8" S&W 649. I LOVE to shoot all by the S&W, too small for effective control with .357. The real surprise was the SP. Accurate, controllable and just plain fun to shoot.

My FIL took quite a few deer with the 6" Python. The secret, according to him, is to either be VERY patient and wait for the deer to come close or be VERY good at stalking in order to get very close, then choose your shots with care. According to what he told me, he passed on several "iffy" shots because he didn't think the deer would drop quickly. He used standard 125gr JHPs, the .357 would likely be better for deer with 158gr+ loads.

The larger revolvers should be pretty easy to control with most .357 ammo. The Python and my GP are relative pussycats with Federal 125gr ammo. Never shot anything heavier, heard both ways regarding heavier ammo. Buy one. If you don't like .357 ammo, shoot .38+P. They are REAL controllable with that!

Bub
Link Posted: 10/7/2007 4:45:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By p-dog:
Nope.

I'm not sure what the .357 cartridge is good for.

For self defense against humans, a .45 auto is better.

For self defense against big animals, a .44 Mag or .454 Cassull revolver is better.


.357 has a better killing / stopping percentage then a .45 acp. You have a bullet or two more with the 1911 types, but each round delivers a little less umph. The recovery time between shots on a .357 is much, much faster then a .44 or .454. I used to be able to bang out six controled shots in about 2.5 seconds...worked trigger on a Dan Wesson. You can load a .357 to almost the same energy as a .41 magnum if you need something extra for in the woods. So for flexibility in a wheel gun, the original magnum is the winner.

My .45 is still my primary weapon in the home because of the additional rounds and faster reloading...if need be.

To have just one handgun to suit a variety of needs, .357 is the ticket.

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