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Posted: 10/20/2004 12:05:02 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 12:06:49 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/20/2004 12:08:02 PM EST by Aimless]
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 12:07:51 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 12:07:54 PM EST
WHAT THE HELL IS THAT??? A GLOCK 19???

There is no way a solder from the 1st Inf is carrying a G19 in combat!
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 12:11:32 PM EST

Originally Posted By Aimless:


The slide looks like some of the finish is worn off, he might've found, bought it over there.



He either traded it or bought it from an Iraqi Police Officer.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 12:17:14 PM EST
Now show me a soldier with a SIR and I'll be really impressed.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 12:19:08 PM EST

Originally Posted By norman74:
Now show me a soldier with a SIR and I'll be really impressed.





Those photos won't be declassified for another few years.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 12:21:58 PM EST
The pistol mag on the right side of the holster looks mighty long.

Given the accesories mounted on the rifle, it looks like he has some type of rail system mounted.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 12:22:18 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/20/2004 12:23:41 PM EST by Adam_White]

Originally Posted By M4arc:

Originally Posted By Aimless:


The slide looks like some of the finish is worn off, he might've found, bought it over there.



He either traded it or bought it from an Iraqi Police Officer.



Yup - plenty of Glocks in the country now - no E-6 would be issued a pistol AND rifle. That is clearly a backup weapon he finagled on his own.

Edit: Looks like he pinned on 6 while there - that lower rocker is a Sharpie-mod!
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 12:24:56 PM EST
Jeff Cooper has written before that in times of war soldiers not issued sidearms have historically found ways to get them. Even if "the brass" doesn't think they need them, the soldier in the trenches (or streets as it were) are the ones best able to decide what sort of equipment they need.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 12:27:42 PM EST
I carried a Charter Arms Bulldog .44 when I was in the 1st Inf. in country but not out in plain view. Interesting.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 12:30:10 PM EST

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Hey even Id take a G19 over a Beretta




Link Posted: 10/20/2004 12:32:58 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 12:38:28 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 12:38:31 PM EST

Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By Adam_White:
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Yup - plenty of Glocks in the country now - no E-6 would be issued a pistol AND rifle.


Do you think they should be? I've always read that pistols almost never get used for real battles, but I'd sure like to have one if it was me...



An infantryman's load is too heavy already. Choice of loadout is always an exercise in calculated risk. I don't think they should be on TO&Es, but wouldn't get too upset if Joe picked one up during low-intensity ops / urban patrolling situations like depicted in the picture.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 12:42:11 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 12:55:20 PM EST
[smartass]Is that a Tacpoint?[/smartass]

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Link Posted: 10/20/2004 1:14:50 PM EST
Looks to be a pretty smart E6 to me...good for him...and I hope he gets to use it on a dipshit or three before he rotates home safely!
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 1:23:13 PM EST
Look's like an E-5 Sgt. to me.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 1:33:33 PM EST
I have heard some Marines (ones in high places) are talking about issuing sidearms to all soldiers. Apparently its the preferred weapon for room clearing for many Marines.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 2:57:46 PM EST
comments from "the brass",

Im lookin the other way, because even the brass are guilty of it!
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 6:19:57 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 6:37:36 PM EST
Our Soldiers and Marines are very resourceful.
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 2:24:18 AM EST
Shhhhh don't tell his CO.
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 2:16:59 PM EST
I knew a pilot in the AF who carried a G34 while on duty.
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 6:21:02 PM EST
A guy I worked for a few years ago was in Marine Recon (was still in the Reserves a the time) and he said he carried a Glock 19 whenever he could. He was an officer so which gave him more freedom.
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 9:30:41 PM EST
I second the idea about the room clearing bit - at least for those guys without M4's. Even though a grunts load is normally pretty freak'n heavy, I would have found room for a pistol.
Link Posted: 10/24/2004 2:55:52 AM EST
I'm in the sandbox right now and was lucky enough to be issued both a rifle and apistol. many of our rifles/carbines have the knights armament rail system for all the bolt on do dads the army hands out now. my 2 cents they would be better off buying more ammo and teaching more shooting skill than trying to buy it with technology. my rifle is a plain m16a4 with no mods or extra optics etc.
general order #1 in country is you can not posess or carry a personally owned firearm. either someone is looking the other way(which would be good) or a unit has authorized its members to use captured stocks of weapons which would then technically not be personal.
Link Posted: 10/24/2004 2:59:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By captain127:
I'm in the sandbox right now and was lucky enough to be issued both a rifle and apistol. many of our rifles/carbines have the knights armament rail system for all the bolt on do dads the army hands out now. my 2 cents they would be better off buying more ammo and teaching more shooting skill than trying to buy it with technology. my rifle is a plain m16a4 with no mods or extra optics etc.
general order #1 in country is you can not posess or carry a personally owned firearm. either someone is looking the other way(which would be good) or a unit has authorized its members to use captured stocks of weapons which would then technically not be personal.



Thanks for the info Captain127 and thanks for serving! Be safe over there
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 1:01:19 PM EST
Thanks, Lumpy.

That pic makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

I personally know of a few guys over there who are carrying their own GLOCKs.
2-17s and a 34.
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 1:07:41 PM EST

Originally Posted By captain127:
I'm in the sandbox right now



Stay safe capn. Thank you.
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 3:53:33 PM EST
Captured sotcks of weapons? Hell, Glocks are cheap, I'd let them capture it from me before we deployed, and let another unit capture it from me when we left. Throw downs are about all I would want a Glock for anyway.
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 6:12:03 PM EST

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Throw downs are about all I would want a Glock for anyway.



Yeah, reliability sucks.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 3:47:53 AM EST
Practicly my whole company has a long barrel and an M9.. then again we're Mp's.
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