Posted: 11/25/2010 5:44:29 PM EDT
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1. Is there any hard evidence anywhere that these increase accuracy?
2. Is there anyone who has used these and had reliability issues? 3. Is there anyone who has used these and noticed any damage to the barrel lugs or other parts of the gun? IMO, more accuracy couldn't hurt, and easier take down would be convenient, but if it comes with a price in terms of longevity or reliability, then I'm out. Thanks. |
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1. Is there any hard evidence anywhere that these increase accuracy? 2. Is there anyone who has used these and had reliability issues? 3. Is there anyone who has used these and noticed any damage to the barrel lugs or other parts of the gun? IMO, more accuracy couldn't hurt, and easier take down would be convenient, but if it comes with a price in terms of longevity or reliability, then I'm out. Thanks. I can't offer HARD EVIDENCE, but I can give my experiance with the TR Grahm MGSL unit. I installed it in my new G34 about 4 weeks ago. I will be honest and tell you that I shot about 100rds thru the gun to make sure everything was OK. Then I went into the Club safe room and changed out the MGSL and also installed a Dawson fibre optic front sight. I returned to the range after lunch and shot again, exactly the same way, fom standing, unsupported at 25yds, and the gun did seem more accurate. Now, let me be the first to say that this was FAR from a "scientific test", but the groups went from about 4" off to the left to 2" dead center. Maybe I just settled down after lunch and shot better groups, who knows. I just took a good look at the MGSL wear and also at the barrel lug, and here's what I saw- The barrel lug (after about 600rds total thru this new gun) is brand new zero wear whatsoever. The MGSL has a PERFECT line of wear across the center of it, indicating perfect square alignment. And, I really mean perfect, like a machine put a perfect wear mark across it. I went to my range tool box and looked at the stock SlideLock and there is the faintest mark to one side of center after 100rds originally shot. |
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Hmm. Screw it, I'm gonna get one and see what happens. I'm just a bit cautious about messing with Perfection.
If your shoots went from left to dead center, I'm going to venture that it was probably more you than the part, but maybe you're right. I also find it a bit odd that no one on this site knows squat about an item that improves accuracy that much and appears to be getting unanimous endorsement on GlockTalk. I thought arfcommers knew everything about everything. |
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""If your shoots went from left to dead center, I'm going to venture that it was probably more you than the part"
I would have said that also, but the facts sorta speak for themselves- I didn't adjust the sights between before/after changing it out. But, most importantly is the clear wear pattern on the stock vs new MGSL. The original had an off center wear line which would indicate off center lockup, whereas the TR Grahm unit has an incredibly even and centered wear line which indicates a solid square lockup. I wouldn't say that this is the end all accuracy accessory for Glocks, but it does what it advertises, and it's 100% reliable for me so far. And the wear line proves to me that it accomplishes what the designer intended it to do. Shit, for 30 bucks how can you get hurt. |
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Thanks for the pic. I didn't think about that, but if the back of the barrel was indeed locking up off to the right I would imagine that could cause shots to go left. Interesting.
And you're right, for 30 bucks, its definitely worth a shot. Test coming when it gets here. |
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If this puppy can make me more accurate then I'm getting one of these.
www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=828247&page=2 |
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Got my reply today. Going to get one and try it out!
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=16458471#post16458471 Sir, Thank you for your interest in my MGSL. The MGSL fits all Glock models except the G36, is a drop-in part, and is designed to increase accuracy by 7 - 35%. The MGSL does not effect reliability, and can be used for either carry or competition Glock pistols. The cost per lock is $30.00 ea. Shipping is $7.00 flat rate for orders up to 3 pieces, Priory US Mail insured. Sorry, but because of their anti-gun policies I do not accept any credit cards or paypal and I do not ship of of CONUS. Checks or money orders are accepted. Each lock has a lifetime warranty and a full money back guarantee. Installation of the MGSL is quick and easy, and instructions are included. To order, please send to : TR Graham PO Box 126422 Benbrook, TX 76126 Regards, TR Graham The Glocksmith |
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Are these still $30? When I bought my last one about 3 months ago it was $36 bucks which included shipping Seems pricey. Agreed. $30 for a tiny piece of material, and another $7 to ship said tiny item?  Doesn't sound horrible for a steel part. Look at the prices for most 1911 parts and it won't seem so bad. |
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Are these still $30? When I bought my last one about 3 months ago it was $36 bucks which included shipping Seems pricey. Agreed. $30 for a tiny piece of material, and another $7 to ship said tiny item? Doesn't sound horrible for a steel part. Look at the prices for most 1911 parts and it won't seem so bad. I'm not a 1911 guy, so I'll have to go on your word. Even so....$7 for shipping? Wrap that thing in cardstock, throw it in an envelope and mail it for the cost of a stamp. I've had almost 20 Glock mags shipped to me for $5 from vendors. |
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Yeah, a good 1911 slide stop can get pricey. $7 for shipping is a rip though.
Wilson BulletProof Slide Release |
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here's about the best pic I can get with this crappy camera. The lens is a little off center in order to catch the light, but it illustrates the wear line in the center of the MGSL. http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt339/gce61/DSCF1900.jpg Can't tell from the pic, the barrel lug is going in the slot correct? Not resting under the slot like the the shiny spot makes it look. I am looking into on of these for my 34, with the factory stop installed can you push down and feel play in your barrel hood at lockup? My 34 has way more then my 19. And also with the TR Graham part is this eliminated or reduced? This sort of looks like using a long link or a Group Gripper in the 1911 platform to me. Can you confirm this for me? Thanks. |
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here's about the best pic I can get with this crappy camera. The lens is a little off center in order to catch the light, but it illustrates the wear line in the center of the MGSL. http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt339/gce61/DSCF1900.jpg Looks likes its hitting or rubbing on the bottom edge , could be the reason why Glock is a little larger slot with an angle on it. The barrel is tilting back up when it goes into lock up. Not sure what this smaller slot does to help accuracy . The latch with its smaller slot could be acting like an AR15 Accuwedge where its keeping the slide to frame fit snug, but the latch is under spring tension so im not sure if thats enough to make a snug fit. Thats the only thing i can think of , a Glock Accuwedge. Heres a pick of my G19 gen3 OEM latch. You can see the wear mark. 
Graham latch on top, OEM glock on bottom. 
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here's about the best pic I can get with this crappy camera. The lens is a little off center in order to catch the light, but it illustrates the wear line in the center of the MGSL. http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt339/gce61/DSCF1900.jpg Looks likes its hitting or rubbing on the bottom edge , could be the reason why Glock is a little larger slot with an angle on it. The barrel is tilting back up when it goes into lock up. Not sure what this smaller slot does to help accuracy . The latch with its smaller slot could be acting like an AR15 Accuwedge where its keeping the slide to frame fit snug, but the latch is under spring tension so im not sure if thats enough to make a snug fit. Thats the only thing i can think of , a Glock Accuwedge. Heres a pick of my G19 gen3 OEM latch. You can see the wear mark. http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h270/yogo120/IMG_0153.jpg Graham latch on top, OEM glock on bottom. http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h270/yogo120/MGSLvsStockSlideLock_small.jpg hmmm...i will certainly await real world reviews since my G22 is my house gun also. |
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dosn't accept credit cards because of anti gun policies? i can see paypal, but credit cards? Capital One (diched them), Chase, and Visa have never complained when I buy guns and gun parts with my credit card. just because you don't want to deal with credit cards, don't put the blame on them.
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