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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - My Norinco 1911 has trouble ejecting the last round

Posted: 6/1/2008 4:57:44 AM EDT

Does anyone know why?

Posted: 6/1/2008 5:17:12 AM EDT

[#1]

Mine had the same trouble until I started using Wilson round top followers in all of my mags. The flat followers did not lift the round up and out on extraction. The follower needs to duplicate the geometry of an additional round in the mag.

Posted: 6/1/2008 7:19:43 AM EDT

[#2]

Too little tension on the extractor.

Posted: 6/1/2008 2:43:30 PM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:
Too little tension on the extractor.

Needs to be sent back to China to have the extractor re-fitted.

Posted: 6/2/2008 2:31:29 PM EDT

[#4]

Love my Norinco it shoots better than most $$$$ guns! Start with the mag advice then look at the extractor. MY MONEY IS ON THE MAGS AND FOLLOWERS....E

Posted: 6/2/2008 2:45:08 PM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:
Love my Norinco it shoots better than most $$$$ guns! Start with the mag advice then look at the extractor. MY MONEY IS ON THE MAGS AND FOLLOWERS....E

I think you must like to fish.

Of course I'm basing that on the size of this story.

As to your money being on the mags and followers................ a weak extractor will often function properly as long as the magazine is pushing up a fresh cartridge which assists in pushing the expired casing out of the gun. However the last round does not get this assist and as a result fails to properly eject.

But then I most likely have no idea what I'm taking about.

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:11:11 PM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:
Love my Norinco it shoots better than most $$$$ guns! Start with the mag advice then look at the extractor. MY MONEY IS ON THE MAGS AND FOLLOWERS....E

I can believe it. Both of mine shoot really good too!

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:15:06 PM EDT

[#7]

1. Load the pistol, remove the magazine.
2. Fire the round. If it stovepipes, gets stuck, falls out the magwell, etc........which it probably will, you need a new extractor (or tension the old one)

Your pistol needs to be able to cleanly and reliably extract spent casings WITHOUT the assistance of the magazine follower/next round in magazine.

SGB is right about the odds of this being an extractor problem.

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:50:43 PM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:If it stovepipes, gets stuck, falls out the magwell, etc........which it probably will, you need a new extractor.

Or proper tension on the old one.

Posted: 6/3/2008 2:58:00 PM EDT

[#9]

Norinco is a reproduction of the 1944 Ithica 1911A1 in true form.

It does not have a performance cut (enlarged) slide port like modern race guns. Chances are when you try and extract and eject a live round without the mag in place it will hit the slide and fall through the mag well. Not to disrespect my fellow ARFCOM friends because the extractor tension is relative, but the mags can be a factor too.

A better test is a spent case IMO

Posted: 6/3/2008 5:55:47 PM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
Norinco is a reproduction of the 1944 Ithica 1911A1 in true form.

And you come to this conclusion how may I ask?

Norinco

Ithaca

It does not have a performance cut (enlarged) slide port like modern race guns. Chances are when you try and extract and eject a live round without the mag in place it will hit the slide and fall through the mag well. Not to disrespect my fellow ARFCOM friends because the extractor tension is relative, but the mags can be a factor too.

A better test is a spent case IMO

The Norinco's ejection port is lowered and quite a bit larger than a USGI 1911a1 as the above pictures show.

The Op's heading to this tread is " My Norinco 1911 has trouble ejecting the last round"
Which I took to mean the last empty casing, please explain HOW the magazine affects the last round ejection of a properly functioning 1911?

Posted: 6/3/2008 10:26:53 PM EDT

[#11]

I dont see the lower port??????? But do concede that the tension is the issue if he is not talking about "clearing" a loaded pistol. Regardless extractor or tension is the issue. Did you clean it?

SGB and GF45 got it right...my bad

Posted: 6/4/2008 5:37:43 AM EDT

[#12]

The magazine affects the last round eject as I stated above. A flat follower allows the spent case to sit too low and it is extracted into the feed lips of the mag and jams up. A round top follower that duplicates another round in the mag pushes up slightly on the ejected case and clears it.

Now you might have an argument that the problem ultimately lies in a weak extractor that is allowing the spent case to slide down along the breech face and tangle with the mag, but I had this problem I spoke of above with a Sistema Colt 45 and replacing all my followers with Wilson 7 round round-top followers solved the problem.

Posted: 6/4/2008 1:52:02 PM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:
The magazine affects the last round eject as I stated above. A flat follower allows the spent case to sit too low and it is extracted into the feed lips of the mag and jams up. A round top follower that duplicates another round in the mag pushes up slightly on the ejected case and clears it.

Now you might have an argument that the problem ultimately lies in a weak extractor that is allowing the spent case to slide down along the breech face and tangle with the mag, but I had this problem I spoke of above with a Sistema Colt 45 and replacing all my followers with Wilson 7 round round-top followers solved the problem.

Please explain how a convex follower mimics a live round and then please explain to me how the magazine affects the ejection of a properly functioning 1911. I'm always willing to learn from someone who obviously knows what they're talking about.

Posted: 6/4/2008 2:30:55 PM EDT

[#14]

Be nice!

Posted: 6/4/2008 3:51:07 PM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:
Be nice!

Considering that this is a tech forum, I am being nice.

Posted: 6/4/2008 3:56:11 PM EDT

[#16]

Thanks for all the info - this is helping me a lot.

Posted: 6/4/2008 7:02:40 PM EDT

[#17]

I guess the real question is how to test the extractors tension?

Posted: 6/5/2008 4:43:10 AM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
I guess the real question is how to test the extractors tension?

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