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Posted: 1/11/2005 5:50:52 AM EDT
OK here is what I want. A gun in .45, .40, .357 Magnum that is smaller than the Glock 36 (.45 single stack) or Taurus Millenium .45 for front pocket carry. I have a Kel Tec P-11 and this is perfect in size and weight but I want a little more umph in the bullet.

I can live with 5-7 rounds of ammo to get that small package. It needs to be controllable so I personally will need porting for a 2" .357 snubbie (can you port a 2" Barrell?). I'd rather not have a brick in the front pocket like the Para P-10.

Any suggestions?
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 5:54:42 AM EDT
kahr pm40 is probably the only option.
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 5:58:49 AM EDT
My vote would be for the Para Carry, although anything bigger than a P3AT isn't a "pocket gun", IMHO (including my 2" snub .38).
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 6:08:02 AM EDT
For me the Kel Tec P-11 in a sidekick fits the pockets of almost any pair of pants, jeans or shorts I wear. That's why I am using it as the standard.
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 6:12:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By BGdave:
For me the Kel Tec P-11 in a sidekick fits the pockets of almost any pair of pants, jeans or shorts I wear. That's why I am using it as the standard.


use the p-11 with some 124gr +p gdhp's and you are getting the best performance out of a small package you can, only the kahw will come close

you are fine, never thing the 9mm won't be enough. great bullet design has seriously improved the 9 to a great defensive pistol

txl
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 6:50:00 AM EDT
Man that Kahr PM40 is tempting it's actually smaller than the Kel Tec and only weighs 1 oz more empty...probably less with a full mag. Thanks guys.
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 6:57:11 AM EDT
i have the pm9 and love it. carries very well.
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 8:24:44 AM EDT
Big Power +Pocket Pistol doesn't = out. Gotta compromise somewhere.
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 8:38:11 AM EDT

Big Power +Pocket Pistol doesn't = out. Gotta compromise somewhere.



+1
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 10:01:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By j-fonz:
Big Power +Pocket Pistol doesn't = out. Gotta compromise somewhere.



Err.... could be rabbit, could be. But I've got 4 contenders so far that match my needs Kahr MK 40, Kahr PM 40, Cobra Patriot 45, Para Carry 3". This does not include any of the major caliber wheel guns like the Charter Bulldog, Smiths or Tauruses (Taurusi?).

What I am expecting to find is that shorter barrel and sight radius mean greater felt recoil and less practical range (meaing both accuracy and "stopping power"). That's OK. I am looking for a defensive firearm that I can always carry that has good one shot "stopping power" and decent accuracy at 10' or less.
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 10:03:46 AM EDT
kimber Ultra CDP. 1911 .45ACP
remove the grips and replace with skateboard tape!
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 2:59:53 PM EDT
well if ya want 1 shot stop , get a .44 mag. derriger. then ya can shoot 2 bad guys.
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 3:04:32 PM EDT

I carry this in .45 7+1
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 3:19:59 PM EDT
PM9 with Ra9T carries perfectly ina pocket for me, and I am confident with it. With .40 you give up one round, but should still carry well.
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 3:28:46 PM EDT
If you are not opposed to wheel guns the SP101 is a fine choice. Mine actually fits in my pocket.
It is solid and seemingly well built. Accuracy seems fine for a short barrel.
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 5:11:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By twonami:
www.firestorm-sgs.com/images/guns_w_locks/fs9comp.jpg
I carry this in .45 7+1



Is this a Bersa?
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 5:15:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Rocky9_5:
well if ya want 1 shot stop , get a .44 mag. derriger. then ya can shoot 2 bad guys.



Assuming I can find where the gun flew when it ripped out of my hand during the shooting of the first BG. Thanks for the advice. I understand that they also make .45 -70 derringers. Please buy one, shot often and think of me.

The idea is "good one shot stopping power" nothings perfect.
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 5:15:56 PM EDT
Kahr for an auto or an SP101 or small Smith revolver.
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 5:17:30 PM EDT
How about a S&W 340. VERY lightweight .357 magnum that definitely meets your criteria. Get Crimson Trace laser grips and this gun is very comfortable in pocket and is very easy to hit with at ranges relevant for self defense. Hurts like hell to shoot it in practice, but for LIGHTWEIGHT AND POWERFUL pocket gun, its in a class by itself.
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 5:19:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/11/2005 5:21:56 PM EDT by jamiesdad]
OOPS...went back and read your post where you specify porting. 340 can't be ported, and you wouldn't want to do it if you could....still could go with model 60, and could have it ported, but again, I wouldn't want to port one myself....if you find a small, lightweight, but major caliber gun that can be carried in your front pocket comfortably and is comfortable to shoot, let us know...I don't think that exists.
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 5:29:24 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 5:49:12 PM EDT
BTW those sp101's are pretty heavy for pocket carry.
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 5:49:41 PM EDT
.454 snubbie. :D
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 6:31:03 PM EDT
That Kahr .45 looks pretty good as a CCW...still question whether thats a comfortable gun to carry in a front pocket though. The current 9mm Kahrs can be carried in front pocket of SOME clothes, but in my opinion are just a little too big for all day, every day carry in front pocket of many types of pants. I know it can be done, but its really not all that practical for FRONT POCKET carry (although great for CCW by other means).
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 6:38:35 PM EDT
if you want an "always" carry than you dont want to go any bigger than the pm9/40 or a lightweight wheelgun.
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 6:41:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/11/2005 6:48:07 PM EDT by NAM]
Get a Kel-Tec P40.

Same frame as a P11. Only thing different is the slide and barrel, and that is very slight.

I've got one. Great carry piece. It's a bit hard on your hand though....great for a CCW/self defense weapon, but not something you're gonna want to shoot several hundred rounds at a pop.

I might also suggest getting the extended mag floorplates for the Kel-Tec. Greatly increases gripping ability.

Link Posted: 1/11/2005 7:37:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BGdave:

Originally Posted By twonami:
www.firestorm-sgs.com/images/guns_w_locks/fs9comp.jpg
I carry this in .45 7+1



Is this a Bersa?


yup, MiniFirestorm. Only fuck up so far was a trigger spring. It still fired but you had to push the trigger forward to shoot the next round.
I E-mailed Bersa's distributor and told them the problem and they sent me a couple of the springs for free. If the spring does fail again I will dump the gun but it has been accurate and never jammed on me.
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 8:57:37 PM EDT
HHMMMM, who makes a .44mag derringer??? It will go with my Mark VII .44mag. The 45/70 sounds nice too.
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 10:27:47 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/12/2005 4:16:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By David_Hineline:
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You will respect my Authoritah



And the 4 shot .357 derringer makes a showing....is that called a COPS or something like that. 12 pound trigger pull? I'll pass personally but you get an honorable mention.
Link Posted: 1/12/2005 2:19:28 PM EDT
If ya would consider a revolver then I would suggest one of the many .357 mag snubbies out there. I do believe there is porting available for them. I would also suggest it be a concealed hammer DAO type. No fuss, no muss, just draw and pull trigger.
Link Posted: 1/12/2005 2:37:33 PM EDT
I think Bond Arms makes a 2 shot derringer in .44 mag.
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 4:55:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/13/2005 10:31:33 AM EDT by BGdave]
Currently I am leaning towards a Kahr (either the PM 40 or the MK 40) or a Taurus CIA .357 Snubbie DAO ported. The Taurus is the one that has the hump back enclosed hammer, like the old lemon squeezer. I have shot quite a few 2" revolvers so I think I know what I'm getting into with the snubbie.

Anyone out there have experience with the Kahr PM40 and MK40? If so how much difference does the extra weight (10 oz or so) make in the handling of the MK vs. the PM?

Thanks again to everyone who has suggested .410 / .357 /44 Mag /.45-70 caliber derringers, etc but I asked for help finding a gun with a 5 shot minimum. Ya'll shoot go them little devils and think of me.
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 9:36:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/13/2005 9:41:06 AM EDT by Camel]
S&W 340PD with a clip draw. Not as small as a kel tec, but you get the .357mag power. At 12oz, you can easily carry it in sweat pants or in the front pocket.

www.firearms.smith-wesson.com/store/index.php3?cat=293489&sw_activeTab=1
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 2:30:23 PM EDT
I only have handleing experience between the two Kahrs mentioned above so take this with a grain of salt: I personally prefered the PM becuase of the weight. The ten-ounce difference is huge when you hold them one after the other.
Link Posted: 1/13/2005 2:40:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Rocky9_5:
I think Bond Arms makes a 2 shot derringer in .44 mag.



Yep, and other large calibers: www.bondarms.com/
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