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Posted: 5/5/2019 9:43:38 PM EST
[Last Edit: seamasterpro]
[#1]
Got my CHPWS plate Thursday and I’ll parrot what others are saying, it seems pretty weak, the installation didn’t give me the impression of bombproof.
I’ve never been a fan of mounting multiple pieces together when you can direct mount, so I’m offloading my MOS for a standard gun + machining. Plus now I see the owner seems like a total dick, I feel bad for supporting them. |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 10:21:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PrimaryMachine_Bruce:
...but it's not pushing it or a stretch... Spend time around a lot of competition guys...it's a pretty well accepted fact among them. I wouldn't risk our reputation by spewing BS that I pulled out of thin air. Guys out in the field shooting 30K+ rounds a year on MRDS equipped guns are reporting what I'm saying. That's not how we've built Primary Machine up to what it is now and we never will. You don't have to accept it. I'm ok with that. ;) By the way what your turn around on milling Glock slides right now? I need mine done. I worry too much to continue t carry my Glock 19 mos even though I had to drill the damn screws out to get it off to put this damn new plate you all talked me into. Red loctite is a bit too much I guess. 500 plus rounds and that bitch wasn’t about to budge. Twisted up about 5 Allen keys trying to get it off before I said hell with it and drilled it. If I’d just waited a day or two I would have just left it on since you guys figured out its subpar at best. |
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Posted: 5/6/2019 3:40:32 PM EST
[#3]
So, while I will not post the entire email, as it was lengthy, Buck does seem to have had an epiphany....
There have been design changes to the V3 plate, most notably with the front recoil indexing posts. These have been rendered complete and "round" so they can absorb more of the recoil impulse thereby relieving stress from the mounting posts. Unfortunately it is still not being made of steel, or 7075 aluminum, but it's a step. Continue to write and provide valid input from a professional perspective, and we may get somewhere here. This is how the message was ended... "Sorry and I appreciate the heads up. Seldom do we get real input from real dudes and I apologize for any perceived sarcasm I might have blended into a response. The internet is full of gun expert design engineers :)" I may take him up on the offer to send a new mount to try, but i am still of the opinion, the mounting screws need to be larger (at least 5-40 x 3/8) and it should be made from stronger materials, but it's a step. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2019 4:31:39 PM EST
[Last Edit: DitchDr]
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By robertwil18:
So, while I will not post the entire email, as it was lengthy, Buck does seem to have had an epiphany.... There have been design changes to the V3 plate, most notably with the front recoil indexing posts. These have been rendered complete and "round" so they can absorb more of the recoil impulse thereby relieving stress from the mounting posts. Unfortunately it is still not being made of steel, or 7075 aluminum, but it's a step. Continue to write and provide valid input from a professional perspective, and we may get somewhere here. This is how the message was ended... "Sorry and I appreciate the heads up. Seldom do we get real input from real dudes and I apologize for any perceived sarcasm I might have blended into a response. The internet is full of gun expert design engineers :)" I may take him up on the offer to send a new mount to try, but i am still of the opinion, the mounting screws need to be larger (at least 5-40 x 3/8) and it should be made from stronger materials, but it's a step. |
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Posted: 5/6/2019 5:28:30 PM EST
[Last Edit: Fooboy]
[#5]
Hmmm
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ID, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2019 6:10:22 PM EST
[#6]
I really don’t get why he insists on using aluminum. This guy is completely in denial. To top it off he is basically admitting that his claims of 100k testing was completely bs as we already suspected
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UT, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2019 6:30:38 PM EST
[Last Edit: DDEL]
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By robertwil18:
So, while I will not post the entire email, as it was lengthy, Buck does seem to have had an epiphany.... There have been design changes to the V3 plate, most notably with the front recoil indexing posts. These have been rendered complete and "round" so they can absorb more of the recoil impulse thereby relieving stress from the mounting posts. Unfortunately it is still not being made of steel, or 7075 aluminum, but it's a step. Continue to write and provide valid input from a professional perspective, and we may get somewhere here. This is how the message was ended... "Sorry and I appreciate the heads up. Seldom do we get real input from real dudes and I apologize for any perceived sarcasm I might have blended into a response. The internet is full of gun expert design engineers :)" I may take him up on the offer to send a new mount to try, but i am still of the opinion, the mounting screws need to be larger (at least 5-40 x 3/8) and it should be made from stronger materials, but it's a step.  I could go as far to say that I was the one who suggested the full round lugs.
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Posted: 5/6/2019 8:18:31 PM EST
[#8]
Picked up the g19 today. Installed the SICO barrel, gl429 sights, x300v and rmr hrs on the CH plate.
First impressions are the ch supplied screws for mounting the rmr were TIGHT going into the threaded post, but they did go in. I haven’t fired a shot with it yet, but it seems like it’s going to work nicely, and I’m happy with it so far. The only improvement I can see would be to make this out of steel, but I think this will work and be reliable. Time will tell 
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Posted: 5/6/2019 11:27:43 PM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Honda4828:
Picked up the g19 today. Installed the SICO barrel, gl429 sights, x300v and rmr hrs on the CH plate. First impressions are the ch supplied screws for mounting the rmr were TIGHT going into the threaded post, but they did go in. I haven’t fired a shot with it yet, but it seems like it’s going to work nicely, and I’m happy with it so far. The only improvement I can see would be to make this out of steel, but I think this will work and be reliable. Time will tell
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CA, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2019 1:16:57 AM EST
[#10]
And drop it once, too, please.
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Posted: 5/7/2019 1:43:58 AM EST
[#11]
My C&H V3 plate has 1300 rds so far and has been cycled using my hand on the RMR to rack it plenty of times. It’s holding up fine so far.
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Posted: 5/7/2019 6:10:08 AM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sevin8nin:
looks good, but please go shoot at least 500 rounds through it before you trust your life to it. Maybe try cycling the slide using the rmr too. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sevin8nin:
Originally Posted By Honda4828:
Picked up the g19 today. Installed the SICO barrel, gl429 sights, x300v and rmr hrs on the CH plate. First impressions are the ch supplied screws for mounting the rmr were TIGHT going into the threaded post, but they did go in. I haven’t fired a shot with it yet, but it seems like it’s going to work nicely, and I’m happy with it so far. The only improvement I can see would be to make this out of steel, but I think this will work and be reliable. Time will tell
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/463094/BE494FFB-84BE-4391-904E-E7590D176B54_jpeg-936928.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/463094/BF437995-3512-4899-8E99-9518DF7E09A6_jpeg-936929.JPG In following this thread, it seems the issues have not been with the RMR plate. There has actually been good feedback for the RMR plate in this thread. Unless I’ve missed some, the issues I’ve seen come up have been with the dpp plate. |
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Posted: 5/7/2019 8:42:19 AM EST
[#13]
Screws need to thread through the post to the bottom of the plate without touching or at the most slightly touching the slide underneath.
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Posted: 5/7/2019 12:11:24 PM EST
[#14]
Can anyone post pics of the screws and the plate attached. I'd like to see the interface and if they come close to passing all the way to the end. You can't use bigger screws, since the post must pass thru the RMR. Bigger screws means thinner material for the posts.
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Posted: 5/7/2019 1:33:58 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DOE:
Can anyone post pics of the screws and the plate attached. I'd like to see the interface and if they come close to passing all the way to the end. You can't use bigger screws, since the post must pass thru the RMR. Bigger screws means thinner material for the posts. |
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Posted: 5/7/2019 3:06:49 PM EST
[#16]
I sent my mount back this morning as well as sent out my slide for the Agency AOS conversion from the MOS. I'm not looking forward to the long wait (10-12 weeks) but I know the cut will be right, and the plate (steel) will hold up to just about anything.
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Posted: 5/7/2019 3:51:21 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Honda4828: I will do this later this evening. I have to take mine back apart anyways to Loctite the screws. A BIG thank you! |
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Posted: 5/7/2019 3:56:10 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By countrygunner:
By the way what your turn around on milling Glock slides right now? I need mine done. |
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Posted: 5/7/2019 3:59:41 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DitchDr: Now make it out of steel and get rid of the threaded post that are to thin to add any benefit and I’ll buy one. I think he should do a Geissele style torture test video to show how wonderful his mounts are. With raised bosses with internal threads, it's thin. Without raised bosses and internal threads, you get very little actual thread engagement - which still isn't ideal. The only good solution would be to not have them raised, but make the plate .050" or so thicker to get that extra 1-1.5 turns of thread engagement. But then you're raising the height of the optic on a system that is already considerably higher than ideal. |
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Posted: 5/7/2019 4:04:08 PM EST
[Last Edit: Duck_Hunt]
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DOE:
k A BIG thank you! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DOE:
Originally Posted By Honda4828: I will do this later this evening. I have to take mine back apart anyways to Loctite the screws. A BIG thank you!  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 5/7/2019 4:33:53 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PrimaryMachine_Bruce: I think unfortunately when it comes to the threads, it's just a lose/lose situation no matter how you cut it. With raised bosses with internal threads, it's thin. Without raised bosses and internal threads, you get very little actual thread engagement - which still isn't ideal. The only good solution would be to not have them raised, but make the plate .050" or so thicker to get that extra 1-1.5 turns of thread engagement. But then you're raising the height of the optic on a system that is already considerably higher than ideal. ... do they even make shoulder bolts that small? |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2019 7:35:08 PM EST
[Last Edit: DitchDr]
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PrimaryMachine_Bruce:
I think unfortunately when it comes to the threads, it's just a lose/lose situation no matter how you cut it. With raised bosses with internal threads, it's thin. Without raised bosses and internal threads, you get very little actual thread engagement - which still isn't ideal. The only good solution would be to not have them raised, but make the plate .050" or so thicker to get that extra 1-1.5 turns of thread engagement. But then you're raising the height of the optic on a system that is already considerably higher than ideal. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PrimaryMachine_Bruce:
Originally Posted By DitchDr: Now make it out of steel and get rid of the threaded post that are to thin to add any benefit and I’ll buy one. I think he should do a Geissele style torture test video to show how wonderful his mounts are. With raised bosses with internal threads, it's thin. Without raised bosses and internal threads, you get very little actual thread engagement - which still isn't ideal. The only good solution would be to not have them raised, but make the plate .050" or so thicker to get that extra 1-1.5 turns of thread engagement. But then you're raising the height of the optic on a system that is already considerably higher than ideal. |
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Posted: 5/7/2019 7:57:12 PM EST
[#23]
I emailed them today about the posts shearing off when mine dropped and they said they are sending me out a new one. Mentioned that they know why the posts sheared off and the issue has been addressed. I'm interested to see the changes.
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Posted: 5/7/2019 8:15:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: DOE]
[#24]
Again, thanks for posting the pic. What if you dove tail the RMR and base? Ala Romeo 1. Sig does that to the P320 series and the other guns for it. That would take care of fore and aft movement. Eliminate the bosses and thread to a steel plate. 6 lbs of torque? Wow.
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Posted: 5/7/2019 8:31:23 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DOE:
Again, thanks for posting the pick. What if you dove tail the RMR and base? Ala Romeo 1. Sig does that to the P320 series and the other guns for it. That would take care of fore and aft movement. Eliminate the bosses and thread to a steel plate. 6 lbs of torque? Wow. 
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Posted: 5/8/2019 2:24:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: Pothole]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dwshel:
Not sure how you're supposed to do 6lb of torque either. All of the "normal" torque drivers for gunsmithing I can find start at 10lb. Brownells has one listed as going as low as 6lb, but it's discontinued. There's one on Amazon that'll go that low, but it's $150. Math I like my bigger Tekton torque wrench, i'm sure this one is good too. INCH POUNDS! |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2019 2:28:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pothole:
6 foot pounds is 72 inch pounds. Math I like my bigger Tekton torque wrench, i'm sure this one is good too. www.amazon.com/dp/B00C5ZL2EG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pothole:
Originally Posted By dwshel:
Not sure how you're supposed to do 6lb of torque either. All of the "normal" torque drivers for gunsmithing I can find start at 10lb. Brownells has one listed as going as low as 6lb, but it's discontinued. There's one on Amazon that'll go that low, but it's $150. Math I like my bigger Tekton torque wrench, i'm sure this one is good too. www.amazon.com/dp/B00C5ZL2EG |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 2:36:47 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DitchDr: No, the directions call for 6 in/lbs. Please don’t try putting 72in/lbs of torque on the CH Precision plate! I don't like these beam style but it's a lot cheaper than the others that go that low. |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 3:05:25 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DitchDr:
No, the directions call for 6 in/lbs. Please don’t try putting 72in/lbs of torque on the CH Precision plate! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DitchDr:
Originally Posted By Pothole:
Originally Posted By dwshel:
Not sure how you're supposed to do 6lb of torque either. All of the "normal" torque drivers for gunsmithing I can find start at 10lb. Brownells has one listed as going as low as 6lb, but it's discontinued. There's one on Amazon that'll go that low, but it's $150. Math I like my bigger Tekton torque wrench, i'm sure this one is good too. www.amazon.com/dp/B00C5ZL2EG |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 2:40:09 PM EST
[#30]
I’ve run approximately 1400 rounds through my G34.5 MOS with the CH plate with no issues. I’ll update if that changes.
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Posted: 5/13/2019 11:14:20 PM EST
[#31]
Another 350 rds through it with c&H plate. Total of 1600 now. Still no issues. Lots of holstering and racking slide with hand on RMR
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2019 2:28:35 PM EST
[Last Edit: JohnnyUtah427]
[#32]
2000 rounds of that snappy .40 cal with #2 Glock plate and Trijicon thin base plate on the RMR....no issues. Not sure whats wrong...maybe I installed it correctly..........?
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Posted: 5/14/2019 5:23:58 PM EST
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Posted: 5/14/2019 6:04:53 PM EST
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Should have gotten torx
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Posted: 5/14/2019 6:26:11 PM EST
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I don't know if it will help but I sent an email to Agency Arms and asked that they build an MOS mounting plate based off their AOS design that does not require having the AOS system installed, for those of us who just want to mount on our end.
Those of you thinking of selling your MOS guns, you can probably trade your MOS slide for a non-MOS slide like I did OR the AOS system looks fucking legit and they DO offer it on the GLOCK MOS handguns. http://www.agencyarms.com/agency-optic-system-aos-cut |
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Posted: 5/14/2019 6:41:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: Roadblock]
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Honda4828:
She will see plenty of rounds through her before I'll rely on it. Same with any other gun. In following this thread, it seems the issues have not been with the RMR plate. There has actually been good feedback for the RMR plate in this thread. Unless I've missed some, the issues I've seen come up have been with the dpp plate. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Honda4828:
Originally Posted By sevin8nin:
Originally Posted By Honda4828:
Picked up the g19 today. Installed the SICO barrel, gl429 sights, x300v and rmr hrs on the CH plate. First impressions are the ch supplied screws for mounting the rmr were TIGHT going into the threaded post, but they did go in. I haven't fired a shot with it yet, but it seems like it's going to work nicely, and I'm happy with it so far. The only improvement I can see would be to make this out of steel, but I think this will work and be reliable. Time will tell
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/463094/BE494FFB-84BE-4391-904E-E7590D176B54_jpeg-936928.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/463094/BF437995-3512-4899-8E99-9518DF7E09A6_jpeg-936929.JPG In following this thread, it seems the issues have not been with the RMR plate. There has actually been good feedback for the RMR plate in this thread. Unless I've missed some, the issues I've seen come up have been with the dpp plate. JagerWerks RMR cut with their special screws.  JagerWerks RMR Cut |
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Posted: 5/14/2019 7:15:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyUtah427:
2000 rounds of that snappy .40 cal with #2 Glock plate and Trijicon thin base plate on the RMR....no issues. Not sure whats wrong...maybe I installed it correctly..........? https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47798562442_f2354411e6_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47798562772_71bbeb89d2_c.jpg 
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2019 7:00:52 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Honda4828: Well it’s good enough for USSOCOM after all |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 7:37:54 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyUtah427:
Have you taken your 19 with CH plate out yet? Curious of your feedback. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyUtah427:
Originally Posted By Honda4828: Well it’s good enough for USSOCOM after all .
I will run a few hundred through the 19 here shortly though, as it will be going on a trip at the end of June with me. Will post an update when I do. |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 9:48:49 PM EST
[#40]
200 more rds through C&H plate today, along with 3 slide racks using RMR from picnic table. Still going strong
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Posted: 5/17/2019 3:56:02 PM EST
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Posted: 5/17/2019 9:13:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DDEL:
Disregard the use of steel for a thin, stressed part; Check Use the cheddar cheese of the gun world (6061) cause it's easy to machine; Check. Reduce the front lugs from the OEM full round to half round; Check. "Fill the gap" of the OEM plate while somehow making more play; Check Use the smallest screws available without breaking out the sunglass repair kit; Check Break the "Mark Larue Rule" (If ur gonna be gruff to people make sure your products are awesome); Check Someone will do this right, but it won't come out of this shop. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DDEL:
Originally Posted By tnmnmnan: Superior design my ass. Anyone can claim what they want but without documented proof it’s only BS. Use the cheddar cheese of the gun world (6061) cause it's easy to machine; Check. Reduce the front lugs from the OEM full round to half round; Check. "Fill the gap" of the OEM plate while somehow making more play; Check Use the smallest screws available without breaking out the sunglass repair kit; Check Break the "Mark Larue Rule" (If ur gonna be gruff to people make sure your products are awesome); Check Someone will do this right, but it won't come out of this shop. |
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Posted: 5/19/2019 4:27:56 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By robertwil18:
And more.... "I could write a thesis on why aluminum is better than steel in this case. If steel was the answer, the RMR body would be made of steel and the polymer frame pistol you're mounting it to would be a 1911. Material science has come a long way and in this case, aluminum is just as good or better for many reasons. Seems as though the product can have NO FLAWS. It's all the end users. Clearly. How're the V4 MOS plates working out? |
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Posted: 5/19/2019 5:38:01 PM EST
[#44]
Another 300 rds thru my V3 plate and it’s still going strong. At 2k rds now. I still want an agency AOS to replace it but it’s going good right now.
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Posted: 5/22/2019 1:56:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: Dissident]
[#45]
All this talk about the weaknesses of the MOS plates seems contrary to what's being posted here...
G19 in the SF communities Sounds like running the Glock MOS as designed by Glock won't get you kilt in da streetz. I don't know. 
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Posted: 5/23/2019 10:09:47 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dissident:
All this talk about the weaknesses of the MOS plates seems contrary to what's being posted here... G19 in the SF communities Sounds like running the Glock MOS as designed by Glock won't get you kilt in da streetz. I don't know. 
An update, I finally went out yesterday and shot 3 mags out of my 19.5 mos with ch plate and rmr hrs. Zeroed the dot, and it held fine in the three mags I shot. I plan on shooting another 500-1000 before I fully trust it, but I really feel it will work great, rmr screws are basically flush with the bottom of the plate.. I like it. As a side note the GL429 Sights are perfect for this set up. |
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Posted: 5/23/2019 3:54:19 PM EST
[#47]
@Honda4828
Enlighten us on the "correct" Trijicon plate. |
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Posted: 5/23/2019 4:08:40 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DOE:
@Honda4828 Enlighten us on the "correct" Trijicon plate. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2019 4:46:19 PM EST
[#49]
I have thousands of rounds through two of their RMR plates with no issues (I believe it may be an older variant since I've had them for a while). I originally used them with the sealing plates and recently removed the plates as I felt they werent terribly necessary with the wider plate. With that said I don't really rack my optic off stuff but they eat a steady supply of NATO ammo.
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Posted: 5/24/2019 5:49:39 PM EST
[#50]
Gotcha on the kit.
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