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Posted: 11/20/2020 2:08:50 PM EST
Now if we could just get a DPP plate!
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Posted: 11/20/2020 2:21:55 PM EST
It'll be ready very soon
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Posted: 11/21/2020 9:39:03 PM EST
Originally Posted By JOEGUNNER: Now if we could just get a DPP plate! Originally Posted By Duffy: It'll be ready very soon Ok I got a MOS 19 on the way. I’m trying to decide between the DPP and the RMR and @duffy plate for the RMR is one of the things pushing me towards it. I like the DPP bigger window and side loading battery. Who can give me reasons for one or the other? |
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Posted: 11/21/2020 11:28:09 PM EST
I hope to see the new DPP version soon, supposed to be tougher and improved
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Posted: 11/22/2020 12:05:02 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By gotuonpaper: Ok I got a MOS 19 on the way. I’m trying to decide between the DPP and the RMR and @duffy plate for the RMR is one of the things pushing me towards it. I like the DPP bigger window and side loading battery. Who can give me reasons for one or the other? RMR is heads and shoulders more robust than any competition in a "Go To War" application. See Sage Dynamics YouTube videos (take note of all of his drop test videos). Holosun is most likely in the #2 spot. |
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Posted: 11/22/2020 12:51:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/22/2020 1:06:51 PM EST by Duffy]
If it weren't for the newer version of DPP, we might not even bother to make a plate for it. DPPs haven't done well as RMRs, but some units are issued with it so we wanted to make something better for these guys.
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Posted: 11/22/2020 12:58:42 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Duffy: I hope to see the new DPP version soon, supposed to be tougher and improved Any rumors as to what has been changed on the DeltaPoint Pro? Is it supposed to be a 2021 Shot Show release? |
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Posted: 11/22/2020 1:07:52 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/22/2020 1:08:43 PM EST by Duffy]
I was on the phone with Leupold when we bought DPP screws (we supply OPF-G, DPP with extra DPP mounting screws), they didn't spill the beans of course, but I have heard of it from multiple sources in both LE and industry circles.
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Posted: 11/23/2020 11:37:50 AM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Duffy: If it weren't for the newer version of DPP, we might not even bother to make a plate for it. DPPs haven't done well as RMRs, but some units are issued with it so we wanted to make something better for these guys. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/781/IMG_5860_jpg-1696433.JPG So the DPP will co-witness with.... ABSOLUTELY NOTHING? |
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Posted: 11/23/2020 12:05:59 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/23/2020 12:17:49 PM EST by Duffy]
DPP can be ordered with or without the rear sight, the rear sight can also be ordered and installed separately. There is also a third party rear sight insert.
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Posted: 11/23/2020 12:09:05 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Duffy: DPP can be ordered with or without the rear sight, the rear sight can also be ordered and installed separately. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/781/Capture_JPG-1698065.JPG That is actually a neat idea. Thanks for sharing Duffy! |
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Posted: 11/23/2020 12:40:42 PM EST
With the new G22 Gen 5 MOS' slide being wider, have you had a chance to look at one for a plate to see if any adjustments need to be made? I'm waiting for your plate before I even think about ordering one... I won't use a Glock plate, not even an option.
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Posted: 11/23/2020 2:09:45 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/23/2020 2:15:49 PM EST by Duffy]
G22 and G17 slide width is both 1.26. OPF-G, RMR supports the full width of the RMR, thus there is a slight overhang on both sides of the slide.
This overhang, incidentally, is about perfect for G40 (10mm) which has a wider slide and requires Glock Set 02 plates. We had changed the product description of OPF-G, RMR long ago, as it is compatible with G40 as well, whereas Glock's own Set 01 plates are not, being of the same width as the 1.26" G17/19 etc. slide, but narrower than the G40 slide.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/23/2020 3:23:18 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Duffy: DPP can be ordered with or without the rear sight, the rear sight can also be ordered and installed separately. There is also a third party rear sight insert. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/781/Capture_JPG-1698065.JPG What's the third party options? |
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Posted: 11/23/2020 4:01:13 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/23/2020 4:03:38 PM EST by Duffy]
Made by Gallow Precision, too bad they didn't use steel or aluminum but carbon fiber reinforced nylon.
 Attached FileI went with the Leupold version. Dawson makes very tall sights for the DPP as well, they're super tall. |
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Posted: 11/23/2020 4:55:55 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Duffy: G22 and G17 slide width is both 1.26. OPF-G, RMR supports the full width of the RMR, thus there is a slight overhang on both sides of the slide. This overhang, incidentally, is about perfect for G40 (10mm) which has a wider slide and requires Glock Set 02 plates. We had changed the product description of OPF-G, RMR long ago, as it is compatible with G40 as well, whereas Glock's own Set 01 plates are not, being of the same width as the 1.26" G17/19 etc. slide, but narrower than the G40 slide. The Gen 5 .40S&W models are wider than the previous .40S&W and 9mm slides. The Gen 5 22/23 MOS come with the Set 02 MOS plates to match the wider slide. |
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Posted: 11/23/2020 5:00:43 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/23/2020 5:04:36 PM EST by Duffy]
OPF-G, RMR's width works with slides that require Set 02 plates, the overhang present on a G19 or G17 slide simply disappears when OPF-G, RMR is sitting on the wider slide.
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Posted: 11/24/2020 1:23:11 PM EST
Originally Posted By brazos609: The Gen 5 .40S&W models are wider than the previous .40S&W and 9mm slides. The Gen 5 22/23 MOS come with the Set 02 MOS plates to match the wider slide. Originally Posted By Duffy: OPF-G, RMR's width works with slides that require Set 02 plates, the overhang present on a G19 or G17 slide simply disappears when OPF-G, RMR is sitting on the wider slide. Photo courtesy of #sunnybean https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/781/01F17F8A-AFC6-4EBD-BE29-0C363B50C4E0_jpe-1698462.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/781/90BD92A2-6641-4407-8B13-D953BF6EB092_jpe-1698463.JPG Came here to ask about the G22 Gen 5. Looks like I know what my next Glock will be. |
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Posted: 11/24/2020 7:35:04 PM EST
Sorry to beat a dead horse, but @Duffy, am I understanding correctly that while your OPF-G, RMR plate doesn’t officially support Holosun optics, if I were to use it with one I would need to file down the mounting screws for proper fit (if the optic fits at all due to your excellent tolerances)?
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Posted: 11/24/2020 8:14:10 PM EST
You'd need to use the short set of the 4 screws that came with your sight, the sight to plate screws we provide are for RMR/SRO
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Posted: 11/24/2020 9:16:40 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By PFran42: RMR is heads and shoulders more robust than any competition in a "Go To War" application. See Sage Dynamics YouTube videos (take note of all of his drop test videos). Holosun is most likely in the #2 spot. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PFran42: Originally Posted By gotuonpaper: Ok I got a MOS 19 on the way. I’m trying to decide between the DPP and the RMR and @duffy plate for the RMR is one of the things pushing me towards it. I like the DPP bigger window and side loading battery. Who can give me reasons for one or the other? RMR is heads and shoulders more robust than any competition in a "Go To War" application. See Sage Dynamics YouTube videos (take note of all of his drop test videos). Holosun is most likely in the #2 spot. I actually started watching His stuff this week. I was already a subscriber and went back and looked. I am for sure going RMR For those wanting to order a OPF-G...I ordered today and before I could finish reading the order confirmation email the shipping notice hit. Awesome service. @duffy |
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Posted: 11/24/2020 9:21:31 PM EST
I think you guys will like the RMRcc, I really like it on our test G19
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TN, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2020 10:13:42 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Jettyboy: Sorry to beat a dead horse, but @Duffy, am I understanding correctly that while your OPF-G, RMR plate doesn’t officially support Holosun optics, if I were to use it with one I would need to file down the mounting screws for proper fit (if the optic fits at all due to your excellent tolerances)? When I installed my 507c I filed down the long screws to a little less than 5/16. I wanted more thread engagement than the short set of screws would give me. |
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Posted: 11/24/2020 11:29:59 PM EST
As long as the tip of the sight to plate screws protrude from under the plate. If they do, and the user continues to torque the screw, it'll bow out and bend the plate.
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Posted: 11/25/2020 12:54:15 PM EST
I just got what I thought was the "new" gen DPP. It's night vision capable. Is there something coming that's even better?
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Posted: 11/28/2020 4:48:44 AM EST
FYI, in case you're still on the fence about an adapter plate:
1. came to this thread and read every word; 2. Learned of FCD's design and that it's only $68.00; 3. Learned FCD plates are in stock AND 15% off this weekend; 4. Ordered two yesterday; 5. Excellent communication; 6. Both have already left on the truck, same day shipping on Black Friday. |
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Posted: 11/28/2020 8:51:25 AM EST
Got about 1500 rounds through the OPF-G mounted RMR and it has worked great. Thanks Duffy!
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Posted: 11/28/2020 11:18:36 AM EST
Thank you guys
The new batch of OPF-G, RMR and a small run of OPF-G, RMRcc went to black nitride before Thanksgiving, we will most likely have these shipped to our new TX location (we're finally escaping CA, goodbye beaches and communists). OPF-G, DPP will be ready around the same time as well. The only other change we're considering is whether to continue to include the Torx key. We state unequivocally that a proper torque wrench must be used. Not by feel, the user needs to know the torque value being applied to the screws. By including a Torx key, I think it might send the wrong message that it can be used for installation. |
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Posted: 11/28/2020 11:36:42 AM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Duffy: Thank you guys The new batch of OPF-G, RMR and a small run of OPF-G, RMRcc went to black nitride before Thanksgiving, we will most likely have these shipped to our new TX location (we're finally escaping CA, goodbye beaches and communists). OPF-G, DPP will be ready around the same time as well. The only other change we're considering is whether to continue to include the Torx key. We state unequivocally that a proper torque wrench must be used. Not by feel, the user needs to know the torque value being applied to the screws. By including a Torx key, I think it might send the wrong message that it can be used for installation. |
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Posted: 11/28/2020 1:09:18 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Duffy: Thank you guys The new batch of OPF-G, RMR and a small run of OPF-G, RMRcc went to black nitride before Thanksgiving, we will most likely have these shipped to our new TX location (we're finally escaping CA, goodbye beaches and communists). OPF-G, DPP will be ready around the same time as well. The only other change we're considering is whether to continue to include the Torx key. We state unequivocally that a proper torque wrench must be used. Not by feel, the user needs to know the torque value being applied to the screws. By including a Torx key, I think it might send the wrong message that it can be used for installation. Thanks for the heads up! Texas, land of silencers, machine guns, heck all things NFA!
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Posted: 11/29/2020 11:32:06 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/29/2020 11:42:13 PM EST by diablo2184]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Duffy: These are the new production units that should work with 507C, but bear in mind they're not designed for any H sights, we never meant for them to work with H sights, only RMR and SRO. @Duffy I was really looking forward to you making 508 plates while reading a few pages earlier in the thread. I do hope you reconsider. I think people are buying Holosuns based on price and durability and it would be nice to have your products for them. Do the short screws supplied by Holosun provide enough threads to run your plate with a 507/508? Or will there be longevity/durability issues? Do you know the correct sizes screws to use an H with your RMR plate? Thanks! |
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Posted: 11/30/2020 1:30:04 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/30/2020 1:35:37 PM EST by Duffy]
508T is loose on ours, not sure on other 508T versions. The short screws that come with H sights are fine
The difficulties with the H sights are related to the OPF-G design that tightly holds the sight on the plate by way of the lugs and front fence. When the dimension from the center of the lugs to the front edge differs from sight to sight, it means we'd have to have as many plate variations as there are sight variations, that's a non-starter. Then there is our priority to develop OPF for Trijicon, Leupold and Aiimpoint optics, plates for H sights were first considered, then abandoned outright for the logistics hurdles we'd have to jump through. I know some agencies do approve H sights for duty use (LASD, for instance), we'd be supporting these agencies if we did develop H plates, but I prefer to support these three companies mentioned above, and do what we can to steer our customers in that direction. |
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Posted: 12/1/2020 7:52:52 AM EST
@Duffy
Thanks, I appreciate the in-depth response. I do like the RMR given its history and reliability and I may get one in the future if they change a few things. I didn't know the H have different dimensions for each 508 |
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Posted: 12/1/2020 11:21:45 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/1/2020 11:24:15 AM EST by Duffy]
Folks are fond of saying they have the same footprint as the RMR, it's true to a degree, and certainly for rifle/shotgun or backup sight mounts that simply need to align the two lugs and two screw holes.
What works on rifles and shotguns does poorly on a pistol slide, the same solution doesn't work for all applications. The minor dimensional difference between the lugs to the front radius of the sight are irrelevant to shotgun and rifle mounts as they don't attempt to, nor do they need to hold the sight tight on the mount, the recoil impulses are not the same as what the sight will face on a pistol slide. OPF-G uses the front fence and the lugs to hold the sight immobile on the plate. Trijicon's +/- 0.005 tolerance means some sights will be tighter, some might be slightly looser, we've done a good job that most of them are snug on our plate. There's also the slide's MOS cut tolerances. The same plate that passes multiple tests on several slides will be too tight on some and require fitting, but this is rare as well. Our product is sandwiched between the sight and slide, both having their own tolerances. As a rule, for this application we prefer tighter than looser, which risks the irk of some users whose sights or plates are too tight. As I explain it, the lazy way is to make everything loose enough because then everything fits, but this doesn't serve the users. So we rather receive calls and emails about plates that are too tight, instead of having the screws loosen or sheer, or sight fly off and hit the user in the face. |
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Posted: 12/2/2020 12:38:31 PM EST
I just got this yesterday. the instructions have 13.3 in pounds. what tool is everyone using to get that close?
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Posted: 12/2/2020 12:52:36 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Hoplite: I just got this yesterday. the instructions have 13.3 in pounds. what tool is everyone using to get that close? I used a Wheeler digital torque driver. You can set it as low as 15 in/lbs. If you use it in “live” mode it starts reading at 10 in/lbs and you can work up until you hit 13.3. |
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Posted: 12/2/2020 12:57:19 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Hoplite: I just got this yesterday. the instructions have 13.3 in pounds. what tool is everyone using to get that close? |
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Posted: 12/2/2020 1:38:58 PM EST
We've changed the torque value to 13in lbs, 13.3 is too granular.
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Posted: 12/3/2020 10:04:13 AM EST
My agency starts testing red dots next week. Hopefully they'll get approved.
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Posted: 12/3/2020 10:10:37 AM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Bradd_D: I just use the Wheeler Fat Wrench and set it between the 10 and 15 lines. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bradd_D: Originally Posted By Hoplite: I just got this yesterday. the instructions have 13.3 in pounds. what tool is everyone using to get that close? Same. |
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Posted: 12/3/2020 12:16:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/3/2020 9:54:05 PM EST by DOE]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lancelot: My agency starts testing red dots next week. Hopefully they'll get approved. @Lancelot Which ones are on your short list? |
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Posted: 12/3/2020 8:53:31 PM EST
Any news on a plate for a RMR cc on a G48 MOS?
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Posted: 12/3/2020 10:05:27 PM EST
@smarcus
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By smarcus: Any news on a plate for a RMR cc on a G48 MOS? CHPWS has one out but the pocket is too small for a RMRcc So it's raised up and sits flush on the top of the slide. |
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Posted: 12/3/2020 10:57:28 PM EST
RMRcc is longer than the cut, it'll rise above and overhang the cut a bit.
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Posted: 12/4/2020 7:24:58 AM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Lancelot: My agency starts testing red dots next week. Hopefully they'll get approved. Do they have the Sage Dynamics White Paper? |
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Posted: 12/4/2020 8:07:48 AM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Duffy: RMRcc is longer than the cut, it'll rise above and overhang the cut a bit. That's dissapointing. I had every intention of buying a 48 MOS and RMRcc |
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Posted: 12/4/2020 8:53:20 AM EST
Does anyone know if it is possible to mill the existing 48 MOS pocket to get a rmr cc to fit direct?
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Posted: 12/4/2020 8:53:35 AM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Dana1972: Are you using the correct screws, OP? Trijicon sells a kit for mounting the Rmr to the MOS pistols. Trijicon part number AC32064 I have over 2000 rounds through the G19 pictured and over 10,000 rounds through another with zero issues. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/312349/7CB3A34D-1535-4872-8ED9-E2D6B108533B_jpeg-903523.JPG @Dana1972 The backup night sights on those Glocks: are they "Glock High" or "Suppressor Height" sights? Are the sights on the larger Glock (17?) even usable? Looks like the RMR blocks them. |
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Posted: 12/4/2020 10:43:19 AM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By ThePontificator: @Dana1972 The backup night sights on those Glocks: are they "Glock High" or "Suppressor Height" sights? Are the sights on the larger Glock (17?) even usable? Looks like the RMR blocks them. 19 is Suppressor height and 34 now has suppressor height as well. Correct the ones in the picture on the 34 were not usable. |
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Posted: 12/4/2020 10:55:46 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/4/2020 10:56:29 AM EST by Duffy]
Guess RMRcc wasn't available at the time, and Shield was the only one they considered for direct mount. OPF-G, RMRcc for G48 will adhere to our existing and proven design: single piece steel plate, front fence, and rear fence if there is room enough. We don't rely on just the raised bosses of the plate to keep the sight immobile on the plate.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By triburst1: That's dissapointing. I had every intention of buying a 48 MOS and RMRcc Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By triburst1: Originally Posted By Duffy: RMRcc is longer than the cut, it'll rise above and overhang the cut a bit. That's dissapointing. I had every intention of buying a 48 MOS and RMRcc |
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