Posted: 9/22/2020 9:09:38 PM EDT
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Seems like USSOF likes the M18 but wants some organizational upgrades to their new standard TO&E sidearms. https://soldiersystems.net/2020/09/22/sig-sauer-m18-m18-x-conversion-kit/ The kit, which can be used at the unit level, includes a black SIG SAUER X-SERIES grip module with extended beavertail, deep trigger undercut, enhanced magwell that’s grip weight compatible, and a fastback style grip. The kit also includes an X-SERIES flat trigger and two (2) 15-round magazines. Both the Marines and Air Force are fielding the more compact M18 variant of MHS along with SOCOM, to replace their M9 sidearms. |
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Quoted:  Mine is almost exactly like that one!!! https://soldiersystems.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/img_3779.jpg Here I was building mine to be similar to Danish P320 so now my M18 looks like this! I'm not sure the pictured one is anything like kit in the article. The kit is issued with a black grip and 15rd mags so I'm wondering if it's an X-Compact grip. It also says nothing about the safety, and that's not a "user level" change. They're have been a few configurations SIG has floated to USSOCOM as an "MHS SOPMOD" in both full size and carry configurations. I'm making the assumption that the pictured configuration is another one, but not the one the article mentions. Here are the other "MHS SOPMOD" pictures that have been floating around.   Judging by the wording, this is something slightly different. |
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Quoted: I'm not sure the pictured one is anything like kit in the article. The kit is issued with a black grip and 15rd mags so I'm wondering if it's an X-Compact grip. It also says nothing about the safety, and that's not a "user level" change. They're have been a few configurations SIG has floated to USSOCOM as an "MHS SOPMOD" in both full size and carry configurations. I'm making the assumption that the pictured configuration is another one, but not the one the article mentions. Here are the other "MHS SOPMOD" pictures that have been floating around. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/108584/Sig_Mil_03-958x639-1603540.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/108584/98D429C0-965F-4F38-87FB-358C477A6CCD-1603541.jpg Judging by the wording, this is something slightly different. My guess is that it is the X Carry (but why black?? Must be wrong hopefully) as the X Compact dust cover / pic rail would not sit flush with the M18 slide. But onto the important question and that is who makes the RMR adapter??? ETA: WTF??? No safety??? Dammit I cut the safety notch in mine 
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Quoted: My guess is that it is the X Carry (but why black?? Must be wrong hopefully) as the X Compact dust cover / pic rail would not sit flush with the M18 slide. But onto the important question and that is who makes the RMR adapter??? ETA: WTF??? No safety??? Dammit I cut the safety notch in mine X-Carry isn't compatible with the included 15rd mags. The X-Compact is. I assume black to keep it easy red recognize which mags fit it. And who cares if it's flush? The M17 isn't flush... As for safety, who knows... I misspoke in my last post. The kit is unit level, and the trigger and safety could be done at the unit maintenance level. But it doesn't mention the replacement pin. If its a black X-Carry grip with no safety or would look similar to this. Just no magwell.  As for the RMR plate your asked about, it's very clearly a 3D printed prototype that SIG mocked up. It does, however, look very similar in concept to the Bobro RMR plate for the M17. |
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Ok, so a safety delete is included in the kit too? I kinda like that setup. Almost feels like I need another M18 to screw around with. Slide looks out of battery |
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Quoted: Ok, so a safety delete is included in the kit too? I kinda like that setup. Almost feels like I need another M18 to screw around with. Slide looks out of battery Quoted: Ok, so a safety delete is included in the kit too? I kinda like that setup. Almost feels like I need another M18 to screw around with. Slide looks out of battery Correct, no safety. Yeah, it is OOB 
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It’s just stupid to think the military is ever going to actually utilize all the gimmicky “modularity” features of the P320. They should’ve bought Glocks and been done with it. /Sarc OH wait this is a tech thread... That is a very technically intriguing firearm.
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Quoted: It wouldn't surprise me if Sig dumped the original grips. At this point everyone wants either the X-Series grips or the WC grips. I liked the X series grips until I got the WC grip. THAT grip should be the he standard issue grip. I like the x grips. But I prefer the regular. 
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I've got an X-Carry grip on my M18 too. but that's not the setup being discussed.  The setup being discussed here is an X-Compact grip and flat trigger, without a manual safety. |
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Attached File Flat trigger? I didn't realize how easy the trigger swap was. I already had notched out the grip for the safety. But where is the safety elimination coming from? The x grips are not comfortably with the safety 
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@coregon this video someone posted in the Danish P320 thread seems to indicate there are multiple variants of the "M18X" Both the FDE X-Carry pictured in the article, and the black X-Compact kit. Is this correct?  NEW Sig M18X Pistol: US Military Peak Pistol Performance |
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Quoted: Mine is almost exactly like that one!!! https://soldiersystems.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/img_3779.jpg Here I was building mine to be similar to Danish P320 so now my M18 looks like this! 
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Quoted: @coregon this video someone posted in the Danish P320 thread seems to indicate there are multiple variants of the "M18X" Both the FDE X-Carry pictured in the article, and the black X-Compact kit. Is this correct?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G5zoqgBoeQThere are multiples, yes. Think of M17X/M18X as a “family” of guns - some already out there with SMU’s. |
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Quoted: There are multiples, yes. Think of M17X/M18X as a “family” of guns - some already out there with SMU’s. Love. This. I was assured multiple times over by the internet that "those units who chose their own guns would never choose the P320 MHS family" and "the military will never utilize such pointless and gimmicky modularity". |
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Quoted: Love. This. I was assured multiple times over by the internet that "those units who chose their own guns would never choose the P320 MHS family" and "the military will never utilize such pointless and gimmicky modularity". Quoted: Quoted: There are multiples, yes. Think of M17X/M18X as a “family” of guns - some already out there with SMU’s. Love. This. I was assured multiple times over by the internet that "those units who chose their own guns would never choose the P320 MHS family" and "the military will never utilize such pointless and gimmicky modularity".  I love pissing off Glock fanboyz! 
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Quoted: I love pissing off Glock fanboyz! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb5mW84WkAAND45?format=jpg&name=large I really really want to see what those guns actually are. |
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Quoted: Love. This. I was assured multiple times over by the internet that "those units who chose their own guns would never choose the P320 MHS family" and "the military will never utilize such pointless and gimmicky modularity". Quoted: Quoted: There are multiples, yes. Think of M17X/M18X as a “family” of guns - some already out there with SMU’s. Love. This. I was assured multiple times over by the internet that "those units who chose their own guns would never choose the P320 MHS family" and "the military will never utilize such pointless and gimmicky modularity". The redemption feels good  I saw on this site someone got a surplus M17 that had a fairly well used size small grip on it. That tells me the big army was using the various grip modules as well, another thing GD said would never happen. |
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Quoted: The redemption feels good I saw on this site someone got a surplus M17 that had a fairly well used size small grip on it. That tells me the big army was using the various grip modules as well, another thing GD said would never happen. The only thing ARFCOM knows less about than guns is women. Im glad to see the platform succeed. What I need for my collection is an early production P320 (I think the FS were the first built?) that hadn't been sent back. They hadn't been put in production before I left and one of my buddies who was still there offered me a discount purchase but I was incredibly broke. |
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Quoted: I really really want to see what those guns actually are. Quoted: Quoted: I love pissing off Glock fanboyz! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb5mW84WkAAND45?format=jpg&name=large I really really want to see what those guns actually are. My guess is a P320 X Full Size Pro (short dust cover) with a DPP. |
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Quoted: The redemption feels good I saw on this site someone got a surplus M17 that had a fairly well used size small grip on it. That tells me the big army was using the various grip modules as well, another thing GD said would never happen. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: There are multiples, yes. Think of M17X/M18X as a "family" of guns - some already out there with SMU's. Love. This. I was assured multiple times over by the internet that "those units who chose their own guns would never choose the P320 MHS family" and "the military will never utilize such pointless and gimmicky modularity". The redemption feels good I saw on this site someone got a surplus M17 that had a fairly well used size small grip on it. That tells me the big army was using the various grip modules as well, another thing GD said would never happen. That may have been mine. I'm still waiting on FOIA, but according to someone here who looked it up, it was assigned to D Co., 1/506th INF.  
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Quoted: That may have been mine. I'm still waiting on FOIA, but according to someone here who looked it up, it was assigned to D Co., 1/506th INF. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/622/img_0896a-1591365.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/622/img_0900a-1591368.jpg Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: There are multiples, yes. Think of M17X/M18X as a "family" of guns - some already out there with SMU's. Love. This. I was assured multiple times over by the internet that "those units who chose their own guns would never choose the P320 MHS family" and "the military will never utilize such pointless and gimmicky modularity". The redemption feels good I saw on this site someone got a surplus M17 that had a fairly well used size small grip on it. That tells me the big army was using the various grip modules as well, another thing GD said would never happen. That may have been mine. I'm still waiting on FOIA, but according to someone here who looked it up, it was assigned to D Co., 1/506th INF. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/622/img_0896a-1591365.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/622/img_0900a-1591368.jpg Yep, it was yours I saw. I'd be willing to bet it didn't ship from Sig with a small grip installed, and the unit swapped that on there for the end user. Its only a single data point, but someone out there actually used the various grip modules provided. The internet swore up and down that would never happen and the modularity was a waste of money  Those are cool handguns to have in the collection. I really missed out by not buying one when they were released. |
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Quoted: I really really want to see what those guns actually are. Quoted: Quoted: I love pissing off Glock fanboyz! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb5mW84WkAAND45?format=jpg&name=large I really really want to see what those guns actually are. See my comments above about SMU's already fielding unit spec'd guns
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Quoted: Yep, it was yours I saw. I'd be willing to bet it didn't ship from Sig with a small grip installed, and the unit swapped that on there for the end user. Its only a single data point, but someone out there actually used the various grip modules provided. The internet swore up and down that would never happen and the modularity was a waste of money Those are cool handguns to have in the collection. I really missed out by not buying one when they were released. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: There are multiples, yes. Think of M17X/M18X as a "family" of guns - some already out there with SMU's. Love. This. I was assured multiple times over by the internet that "those units who chose their own guns would never choose the P320 MHS family" and "the military will never utilize such pointless and gimmicky modularity". The redemption feels good I saw on this site someone got a surplus M17 that had a fairly well used size small grip on it. That tells me the big army was using the various grip modules as well, another thing GD said would never happen. That may have been mine. I'm still waiting on FOIA, but according to someone here who looked it up, it was assigned to D Co., 1/506th INF. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/622/img_0896a-1591365.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/622/img_0900a-1591368.jpg Yep, it was yours I saw. I'd be willing to bet it didn't ship from Sig with a small grip installed, and the unit swapped that on there for the end user. Its only a single data point, but someone out there actually used the various grip modules provided. The internet swore up and down that would never happen and the modularity was a waste of money Those are cool handguns to have in the collection. I really missed out by not buying one when they were released. my Surplus gun came with a well used Large grip module on it. |
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Quoted: That may have been mine. I'm still waiting on FOIA, but according to someone here who looked it up, it was assigned to D Co., 1/506th INF. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/622/img_0896a-1591365.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/622/img_0900a-1591368.jpg Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: There are multiples, yes. Think of M17X/M18X as a "family" of guns - some already out there with SMU's. Love. This. I was assured multiple times over by the internet that "those units who chose their own guns would never choose the P320 MHS family" and "the military will never utilize such pointless and gimmicky modularity". The redemption feels good I saw on this site someone got a surplus M17 that had a fairly well used size small grip on it. That tells me the big army was using the various grip modules as well, another thing GD said would never happen. That may have been mine. I'm still waiting on FOIA, but according to someone here who looked it up, it was assigned to D Co., 1/506th INF. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/622/img_0896a-1591365.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/622/img_0900a-1591368.jpg I wonder if the PVD finish on the actual mil guns is thicker or a different formula than what is found on the civilian M17/M18. One of my M18s is showing a lot of holster wear. Even leather vice jaws wear the finish on it is so thin. |
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Quoted: I wonder if the PVD finish on the actual mil guns is thicker or a different formula than what is found on the civilian M17/M18. One of my M18s is showing a lot of holster wear. Even leather vice jaws wear the finish on it is so thin. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: There are multiples, yes. Think of M17X/M18X as a "family" of guns - some already out there with SMU's. Love. This. I was assured multiple times over by the internet that "those units who chose their own guns would never choose the P320 MHS family" and "the military will never utilize such pointless and gimmicky modularity". The redemption feels good I saw on this site someone got a surplus M17 that had a fairly well used size small grip on it. That tells me the big army was using the various grip modules as well, another thing GD said would never happen. That may have been mine. I'm still waiting on FOIA, but according to someone here who looked it up, it was assigned to D Co., 1/506th INF. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/622/img_0896a-1591365.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/622/img_0900a-1591368.jpg I wonder if the PVD finish on the actual mil guns is thicker or a different formula than what is found on the civilian M17/M18. One of my M18s is showing a lot of holster wear. Even leather vice jaws wear the finish on it is so thin. Troy Coyote Tan cerakote is an option for refinishing. Attached File Cerakote on the left, factory finish on the right. |
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Quoted: Troy Coyote Tan cerakote is an option for refinishing. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/457660/3FC6C96F-EAE9-4D9D-BD0E-66360CD95A69_jpe-1628675.JPG Cerakote on the left, factory finish on the right. @jackal-FnM Who did your cerakote? |
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Quoted: What frame is the best for concealed carry if the stock frame is too big?  2020 SHOT Show - Amend2 S300 Grip Module |
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Quoted: @jackal-FnM Who did your cerakote? Quoted: Quoted: Troy Coyote Tan cerakote is an option for refinishing. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/457660/3FC6C96F-EAE9-4D9D-BD0E-66360CD95A69_jpe-1628675.JPG Cerakote on the left, factory finish on the right. @jackal-FnM Who did your cerakote? Area 15 in Mesa, AZ |
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Quoted: I wonder if the PVD finish on the actual mil guns is thicker or a different formula than what is found on the civilian M17/M18. One of my M18s is showing a lot of holster wear. Even leather vice jaws wear the finish on it is so thin. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: There are multiples, yes. Think of M17X/M18X as a "family" of guns - some already out there with SMU's. Love. This. I was assured multiple times over by the internet that "those units who chose their own guns would never choose the P320 MHS family" and "the military will never utilize such pointless and gimmicky modularity". The redemption feels good I saw on this site someone got a surplus M17 that had a fairly well used size small grip on it. That tells me the big army was using the various grip modules as well, another thing GD said would never happen. That may have been mine. I'm still waiting on FOIA, but according to someone here who looked it up, it was assigned to D Co., 1/506th INF. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/622/img_0896a-1591365.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/622/img_0900a-1591368.jpg I wonder if the PVD finish on the actual mil guns is thicker or a different formula than what is found on the civilian M17/M18. One of my M18s is showing a lot of holster wear. Even leather vice jaws wear the finish on it is so thin. I have a civilian P320-M17, a commemorative M17, and an actual army issued “surplus” M17. The civilian gun had the most consistent color and finish, slightly lighter than the other 2. It has some minor holster wear from 2 classes and 1 USPSA match I used it in. The commemorative and army issued gun are both slightly darker but less uniform in color. The commemorative lives in a show case on a bookshelf in my office so the finish is unmarred. The Army issued gun has TONs of holster wear. Worse than my civilian gun that I put The miles on. I think they all look cool, but they’re guns and it’s not about how they look. I have another SIG coyote PVD “pro” slide actually on my gun now. That slide’s finish seems to be holding up better. It’s uniform in color and slightly darker than my civilian M17 but not as dark as the other 2. |
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Quoted: See my comments above about SMU's already fielding unit spec'd guns @Coregon - Two questions, 1. How many different SMU variants are you currently aware of and are there details/pics you can share of more of them, and 2. Can you start a thread in GD on this subject so that we can all bask in the delicious tears of unfathomable sadness from the Gaston gang? |
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Quoted: @Coregon - Two questions, 1. How many different SMU variants are you currently aware of and are there details/pics you can share of more of them, and 2. Can you start a thread in GD on this subject so that we can all bask in the delicious tears of unfathomable sadness from the Gaston gang? Quoted: Quoted: See my comments above about SMU's already fielding unit spec'd guns @Coregon - Two questions, 1. How many different SMU variants are you currently aware of and are there details/pics you can share of more of them, and 2. Can you start a thread in GD on this subject so that we can all bask in the delicious tears of unfathomable sadness from the Gaston gang? I tried that in GD. Had a few bites, but not many takers. LOL Here is the thread |
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Quoted: @Coregon - Two questions, 1. How many different SMU variants are you currently aware of and are there details/pics you can share of more of them, and 2. Can you start a thread in GD on this subject so that we can all bask in the delicious tears of unfathomable sadness from the Gaston gang? Quoted: Quoted: See my comments above about SMU's already fielding unit spec'd guns @Coregon - Two questions, 1. How many different SMU variants are you currently aware of and are there details/pics you can share of more of them, and 2. Can you start a thread in GD on this subject so that we can all bask in the delicious tears of unfathomable sadness from the Gaston gang? 1) 2) haha |
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Quoted: Quoted: What frame is the best for concealed carry if the stock frame is too big? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfT2miPvgnw I am a Glock guy, who has purchased two stripped FCUs, and is looking for build ideas. That's definitely going to be one of them. |