Posted: 11/29/2005 6:41:48 AM EDT
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Considering about 85% of the 1911's in the world are combat accurate, it's not an outrageous thing to say that a match Sig will outshoot them. Hell, it's common sense. Will it outshoot an STI race gun? Who knows. Maybe. If it does, then it will out shoot nearly ALL 1911's. I laughed once when a guy showed up with a tricked out Ruger P90 at a match, and watched him tear the entire field apart. Last time I laughed at someone's gun without knowing what its capable of. |
I seriously doubt it will outshoot most $2500 1911s. A $400 GI spec, yes. Apples to apples. |
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Sig X-5's are amazingly accurate. The so-called pivot on the trigger is the adjustment for wt of trigger pull. It MIGHT not out shoot a $2500 1911, but it sure won't shoot any worse. |
A big +1 on that. How do any of you know that it won't hang with a $2500 1911? What do you base this on? Have you shot the Sig? Have you heard that they aren't capable of that kind of fit and accuracy? I'm saying it just might shoot that well....not that it does. And you're saying you doubt it. Why? Because you like 1911's better. That doesn't mean the Sig is their equal, but it is certainly possible. Given that a garden variety Sig will shoot equally well as a garden variety 1911, why wouldn't the match guns be on par? I shot some match Sig210-6's in Germany, which to this day I have never seen outside of a Hammerli or a Stahl a more accurate semi-auto pistol. Certainly as good if not better than the very upper echelon of match 1911's. They were swiss designs, but tuned and built up by Sig Sauer for the German natl. pistol teams. |
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I got to play with one of those things at GAT guns a few weeks back, and they let me dry fire it, the 226 X5 or whatever they call it. Honestly, I dont see what the big deal was. The trigger still had quite a bit of senseless travel before it broke, nothing like my 1911 that breaks the instant it moves. You still had to take up the slack. Didn't feel much different than my MK23 trigger Not really sure where the extra 2000 dollars went. Action didn't feel much better than my regular old 226. Although who knows. Maybe the extra 2000 dollars went into making a slide lock that actually works, but that might be asking too much. Bottom line is, I really have a hard time figuring out where the extra dough went. For 500-700 less than the 2500 dollar tag, you can get a MK23 in .45 ACP that will shoot circles around that thing, and have a functioning slide lock, not to mention being as reliable as a semi auto can get. If the MK23 is too damn big for you, and you're looking for an accurate gun with a great trigger that when done right will be very reliable, stick with 1911's, cause its not going to get any better than that, atleast not with this Sig. For even 1000 dollars less than that 2500 dollar tag, you can get a damn nice 1911 with a finely tuned trigger, and for the full 2500, you can get something really special, if you're looking for that added "show". I guess I just don't see what all the fuss is about. Its a single action handgun with a trigger that still isn't as crisp and creep-free as a high end factory 1911, built on a platform that has more slide lock back issues than any other firearm on the market. I guess I just don't see where all the money went. IMHO, this is what the 226 should have been from day one. Remove the fancy sights/magwells etc, put on a nice matte black finish, charge 800 bucks for it, and you got a winner. For now, I'll stick with HK's and 1911's, and my plain old boring 226. |
Marksman, have you talked to anyone at Sig about your slide lock issues yet? You're so bitter....  ETA, I've shot a MK23 a bunch, and a USP Tac a bunch. I couldn't tell a difference at 25 yds, both were stupid boring accurate. But so was the factory tuned P220ST I was shooting that day. Its all koolaid man. |
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I won't get into the comparing it to a 1911, but in one of the HANDGUNS magazines, they compared it to the 226, and if I remember correctly, were not so greatly impressed, but they managed to get a 1 inch group at fifty yards with it. I'd take it. I guess that whole slide locking thing is a magical problem, hasn't affected my 226, 220,220ST, or my brothers 229. 
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Since I've owned my Sig, I've read atleast 3 posts aside from mine with slide lock issues. And thats just here. Went on sigforums, and read more. One gentlemen just posted a review of his new CPO, and had the exact same issue as me. The way I see it...if you have to have entire threads dedicated to specifically alleviating a certain problem (ala the post in Sigforums that was made and tacked specifically to address slide lock issues) then the manufacturer should do something about it and fix the problem. Not all sigs have this problem, but it obviously is common enough. I wouldn't be suprised to find that one person could purchase 10 Sigs, and never once have an issue with a slide locking back. But, there are plenty of posts about it. It may only be a fraction of a percent of overall Sigs that have issues, but that is still too many. And yes, I've run down the checklist. Lube it up like a dry whore and keep my thumb off the slide lock, along with the other 5-6 things they listed, and guess what, none of them did a damn thing. All I know is, this is a stupid fucking problem to have, but a problem none the less. Its not like the slide lock is a new concept, its been used for around 100 years, and I would expect a company that is praised as much as Sig is to be able to make a handgun with a functional slide lock 100% of the time, regardless of whether is lubed, dry, upsidedown, right side up... I own 4 HKs, a beretta, a CZ, a Kimber, a Walther and my 226. Aside from break in issues with the P22, I have yet to have a failure with any of them of ANY kind. Then along came my 226. Did some research and found out that the problem is alot more common than one would hope for a platform that has models upward of 800 dollars. Aside from that, I love the gun. Its plenty accurate, comfortable in my hand, and feeds and extracts as good as anything. What bothers me so much is that this is such a SIMPLE problem. Its a problem that NO gun should have. Its a damn slide lock. Its not some new revolutionary device that still needs to have some bugs worked out. And for the record, I've used W. German mags, 15 round mec-gar and 17 round mec-gar. All experience the same problems with the same frequency, about 90% failure to lock back. Once it gets dirty, forget it. I guess for all the praise that the Sig always got around here, maybe my expectations were alot higher than they should have been. Hell, even my P22 locks back. |
Explain please what you mean by "outshoot"? Some ridiculously small amount of incremental accuracy? Like it will shoot 1/4" or 1/2" tighter groups than a 1911? Can you utilize that extra accuracy (if it's there at all)? Or do you mean manipulation? Does it have a lower bore centerline? (no.) Or a better trigger? (nope.) Or a higher cap mag? (no again.) Are the IPSC gods throwing away their 1911's for it? (not from what I'm seeing.) Inquiring minds want to know. |
| OK, Now that I've gotten past the 1911 vs Sig debate, which if I can think back far enough, was not the topic of this thread, I'll ask a question to try and bring it back. What pray tell is the model in the first pic? I find it very pretty, and it needs a spot in my collection. Is that a custom Sig, or off the shelf? Specifics please. Thank you in advance. |
Nobody said it couldn't shoot as well as a match-grade 1911. We were saying that comparing that $2500 Sig to an $800 1911 and saying it can out-shoot it is like saying a Ferarri can outhandle a Trans Am. No shit it's gonna do that, but you gotta compare equals. |
Ok, that's a good point. Who has shot the Sig against a comparable priced 1911? No one on this board, so the argument is 100% speculation. It might truly be the equal of the best 1911's in the world. Or, it might suck. But, no one on this board has the experience to say either way yet it sounds like some people are ready to say it's not up to the task. Based on what? Their bias. That's my point. I love a good 1911. I love a Sig. I don't care either way which is the better gun, and I'm happy when any company tries to make a great runner. I'll wait till I see the groups this thing shoots, and hear back from owners if it runs. Then, and only then, will I be ready to make a comment on how it stacks up. |
Yah its a custom model, i called sig direct, and they havent even seen it over here, but if you go to http://sauer-waffen.de , you can see it there with all the other customs. the reason i started this post, was to help decide if i really wanted to pay 2400 for the x5, What i have found since then, is that the extra mags for it, are about 90 bucks a piece. so, i got a kimber team match 2, instead. but i have shot the x5 in 9mm. and it was awesome,, it has a completely different feel from a 1911. im not sure if it was the fact that the barrel was so heavy, or what, but it didnt jump up, just back, which could make it a very fast/ acurate shooter. but alass,, ill wait until some homie buys 1, then realizes its too heavy to cary in da hood, sells it, and then ill get 1 used ;)) |