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Posted: 1/13/2015 11:31:17 AM EDT
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$849 msrp. Street price around 700-ish I would guess. Pretty good money for yet another GI clone. Especially since most will throw another $200 or $300 in "improvements" at it.
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Posted: 1/13/2015 11:46:02 AM EDT
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I've seen worse.
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Posted: 1/13/2015 11:48:11 AM EDT
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So, is this a mil-spec Dan Wesson,with CZ's name on it?
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Posted: 1/13/2015 12:01:55 PM EDT
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flat mainspring and it's perfect.
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Posted: 1/13/2015 1:48:58 PM EDT
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What should they call it then? |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 3:05:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/13/2015 3:59:17 PM EDT
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What should they call it then? I'm just saying it isn't really a 1911 A1 with all their modifications; it's misleading marketing as far as I'm concerned. If you're fine with the name then yeah for you. |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 5:08:45 PM EDT
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Looks sharp! Looking forward to seeing the blueing in person. Looks fantastic.
If anyone has any information on these, please share. |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 5:15:44 PM EDT
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Country of origin?
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Posted: 1/13/2015 5:26:53 PM EDT
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Country of origin? USA. Unclear what factory, presumably Dan Wesson. |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 5:27:33 PM EDT
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I'm just saying it isn't really a 1911 A1 with all their modifications; it's misleading marketing as far as I'm concerned. If you're fine with the name then yeah for you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What should they call it then? I'm just saying it isn't really a 1911 A1 with all their modifications; it's misleading marketing as far as I'm concerned. If you're fine with the name then yeah for you. That's what your going with? Misleading marketing? 
I don't think anyone is confusing the CZ offering for a real M1911A1 simply because the product code says 1911-A1. "Hey Jeff, I got me one of them Ceská zbrojovka 1911s from WWII. Pretty cool huh?" I also don't think anyone is confused by SA rollmarks 
Or Auto Ordance's WWII parkerized model 
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Posted: 1/13/2015 5:45:53 PM EDT
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I'm just saying it isn't really a 1911 A1 with all their modifications; it's misleading marketing as far as I'm concerned. If you're fine with the name then yeah for you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What should they call it then? I'm just saying it isn't really a 1911 A1 with all their modifications; it's misleading marketing as far as I'm concerned. If you're fine with the name then yeah for you. Yep, I'm fine with it 
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Posted: 1/13/2015 6:17:40 PM EDT
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Looks nice.
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Posted: 1/13/2015 6:43:16 PM EDT
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Want
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Posted: 1/13/2015 8:03:25 PM EDT
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That's what your going with? Misleading marketing?
I don't think anyone is confusing the CZ offering for a real M1911A1 simply because the product code says 1911-A1. "Hey Jeff, I got me one of them Ceská zbrojovka 1911s from WWII. Pretty cool huh?" I also don't think anyone is confused by SA rollmarks http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t86/powershots70/IMG_7377a.jpg Or Auto Ordance's WWII parkerized model http://www.arizonagunrunners.net/Products/AutoOrdnance/1911pkzsew/1911pkzsew.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What should they call it then? I'm just saying it isn't really a 1911 A1 with all their modifications; it's misleading marketing as far as I'm concerned. If you're fine with the name then yeah for you. That's what your going with? Misleading marketing?
I don't think anyone is confusing the CZ offering for a real M1911A1 simply because the product code says 1911-A1. "Hey Jeff, I got me one of them Ceská zbrojovka 1911s from WWII. Pretty cool huh?" I also don't think anyone is confused by SA rollmarks http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t86/powershots70/IMG_7377a.jpg Or Auto Ordance's WWII parkerized model http://www.arizonagunrunners.net/Products/AutoOrdnance/1911pkzsew/1911pkzsew.jpg That was a secondary point; the primary point is with all the changes and improvements it's not really a 1911 A1. Good grief. I don't like those other companies using the name 1911 A1 either. Bye. |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 8:17:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who gives a rat's ass about another 1911 when THIS is back in production: http://cz-usa.com/hammer/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/cz-usa-dan-wesson-7151-500x333.png I hate to derail threads in the tech forums, but you are right. If it fits in with the quality of the DW 1911s I'll be all over one. On the other hand I'm not a big fan of the GI style 1911s even though some of you are probably drooling over it.
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Posted: 1/13/2015 8:32:34 PM EDT
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That was a secondary point; the primary point is with all the changes and improvements it's not really a 1911 A1. Good grief. I don't like those other companies using the name 1911 A1 either. Bye. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What should they call it then? I'm just saying it isn't really a 1911 A1 with all their modifications; it's misleading marketing as far as I'm concerned. If you're fine with the name then yeah for you. That's what your going with? Misleading marketing?
I don't think anyone is confusing the CZ offering for a real M1911A1 simply because the product code says 1911-A1. "Hey Jeff, I got me one of them Ceská zbrojovka 1911s from WWII. Pretty cool huh?" I also don't think anyone is confused by SA rollmarks http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t86/powershots70/IMG_7377a.jpg Or Auto Ordance's WWII parkerized model http://www.arizonagunrunners.net/Products/AutoOrdnance/1911pkzsew/1911pkzsew.jpg That was a secondary point; the primary point is with all the changes and improvements it's not really a 1911 A1. Good grief. I don't like those other companies using the name 1911 A1 either. Bye. OK. Just out of curiosity, what would you prefer they call it? If it's not an 1911 A1 because of some minor improvements, it's certainly not a 1911, either. So what should we call 1911-patterned pistols? |
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Posted: 1/14/2015 2:35:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OK. Just out of curiosity, what would you prefer they call it?
If it's not an 1911 A1 because of some minor improvements, it's certainly not a 1911, either. So what should we call 1911-patterned pistols? Browning-inspired antiquated single actions? Hi-Point magazine donors?...
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Posted: 1/14/2015 4:12:36 AM EDT
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It looks to be very suitable for a base gun.
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Posted: 1/14/2015 9:15:14 AM EDT
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That was a secondary point; the primary point is with all the changes and improvements it's not really a 1911 A1. Good grief. I don't like those other companies using the name 1911 A1 either. Bye. Good grief indeed. You find the name 1911-A1 inappropriate but my first question was what do you suggest the name to be? |
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Posted: 1/14/2015 10:39:12 AM EDT
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Good grief indeed. You find the name 1911-A1 inappropriate but my first question was what do you suggest the name to be? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That was a secondary point; the primary point is with all the changes and improvements it's not really a 1911 A1. Good grief. I don't like those other companies using the name 1911 A1 either. Bye. Good grief indeed. You find the name 1911-A1 inappropriate but my first question was what do you suggest the name to be? I don't know why you insist I suggest a name I like better, I can not like it and have a name I like better in mind. How about they call it the CZ11, this would be similar to the names of their other pistols CZ75, CZ85, CZ50, C52, etc; and the 11 clues buyers that it's a 1911 pattern pistol. Bye. |
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Posted: 1/14/2015 11:04:14 AM EDT
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What it seems like - mil-spec Dan Wesson. Neat
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Posted: 1/14/2015 12:39:55 PM EDT
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Any word on when these will be out?
Was looking at the Ruger,and the SA MilSpec in SS. Like the forged frame on this pistol.And the sights,wide hammer,etc. I will not spend my money until i handle one of the CZ's. UPDATE : just called the factory. These start shipping in Feb. 
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Posted: 1/14/2015 2:20:25 PM EDT
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I don't know why you insist I suggest a name I like better, I can not like it and have a name I like better in mind. How about they call it the CZ11, this would be similar to the names of their other pistols CZ75, CZ85, CZ50, C52, etc; and the 11 clues buyers that it's a 1911 pattern pistol. Bye. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That was a secondary point; the primary point is with all the changes and improvements it's not really a 1911 A1. Good grief. I don't like those other companies using the name 1911 A1 either. Bye. Good grief indeed. You find the name 1911-A1 inappropriate but my first question was what do you suggest the name to be? I don't know why you insist I suggest a name I like better, I can not like it and have a name I like better in mind. How about they call it the CZ11, this would be similar to the names of their other pistols CZ75, CZ85, CZ50, C52, etc; and the 11 clues buyers that it's a 1911 pattern pistol. Bye. Your whole thread is based on the fact you believe the CZ offering isn't a 1911-A1. I'm merely asking what you think a solution should be for something you find inappropriate. Criticism that lacks a solution is just noise. I'm also not the only one in the thread that asked your opinion of a name. |
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Posted: 1/15/2015 1:59:57 AM EDT
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At least the front sight is dovetailed. Never understood the GI love. Crap sights, small safety, hammer bite? What a winner!
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Posted: 1/15/2015 2:22:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At least the front sight is dovetailed. Never understood the GI love. Crap sights, small safety, hammer bite? What a winner! I actually prefer the WWI pattern thumb safety. I went away from the ambi thumb safety and the memory bumped grip safety on my Desert Warrior, to a Colt OEM WWI thumb safety and Colt rat tail grip safety, which standardized it with my other carry gun, a New Agent ,and the Combat Elite I use most at the range. I was thinking that this pistol would be a good base for a MEUSOC clone. |
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Posted: 1/15/2015 3:00:14 AM EDT
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Lowered/flared ejection port?
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Posted: 1/15/2015 3:29:00 AM EDT
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I actually prefer the WWI pattern thumb safety. I went away from the ambi thumb safety and the memory bumped grip safety on my Desert Warrior, to a Colt OEM WWI thumb safety and Colt rat tail grip safety, which standardized it with my other carry gun, a New Agent ,and the Combat Elite I use most at the range. I was thinking that this pistol would be a good base for a MEUSOC clone. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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At least the front sight is dovetailed. Never understood the GI love. Crap sights, small safety, hammer bite? What a winner! I actually prefer the WWI pattern thumb safety. I went away from the ambi thumb safety and the memory bumped grip safety on my Desert Warrior, to a Colt OEM WWI thumb safety and Colt rat tail grip safety, which standardized it with my other carry gun, a New Agent ,and the Combat Elite I use most at the range. I was thinking that this pistol would be a good base for a MEUSOC clone. I was mainly just giving the purists a hard time, agree that the original config works for many, I just am not one of them. My hands are too fat for the hammer and grip safety, and I like to ride the thumb safety. I do hope this gun is made by DW. It won't be cheap, but even their low end guns are excellent. |
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Posted: 1/15/2015 3:10:07 PM EDT
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Lowered/flared ejection port? Here are the latest released photos 
Not quite sure what I think about it now. Oh well. |
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Posted: 1/15/2015 3:43:58 PM EDT
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It's OK and I like that it is made in the USA, but I doubt I'll be buying one. IMO it'd be kinda hard to walk into the "GI style" 1911 market at that price point when RIAs are selling for $329 with a solid reputation.
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Posted: 1/15/2015 5:31:39 PM EDT
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It's OK and I like that it is made in the USA, but I doubt I'll be buying one. IMO it'd be kinda hard to walk into the "GI style" 1911 market at that price point when RIAs are selling for $329 with a solid reputation. Not very fair to compare a 1911 made by Dan Wesson to companies like RIA and expect similar price points... |
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Posted: 1/15/2015 11:44:18 PM EDT
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Not very fair to compare a 1911 made by Dan Wesson to companies like RIA and expect similar price points... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's OK and I like that it is made in the USA, but I doubt I'll be buying one. IMO it'd be kinda hard to walk into the "GI style" 1911 market at that price point when RIAs are selling for $329 with a solid reputation. Not very fair to compare a 1911 made by Dan Wesson to companies like RIA and expect similar price points... Does it do anything the RIA doesn't? Personally, I do NOT want a 1911 that says "CZ" on it. |
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Posted: 1/15/2015 11:51:07 PM EDT
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Does it do anything the RIA doesn't? Personally, I do NOT want a 1911 that says "CZ" on it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's OK and I like that it is made in the USA, but I doubt I'll be buying one. IMO it'd be kinda hard to walk into the "GI style" 1911 market at that price point when RIAs are selling for $329 with a solid reputation. Not very fair to compare a 1911 made by Dan Wesson to companies like RIA and expect similar price points... Does it do anything the RIA doesn't? Personally, I do NOT want a 1911 that says "CZ" on it. Does an Ed brown do anything a RIA doesn't? |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 2:36:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does it do anything the RIA doesn't?
Personally, I do NOT want a 1911 that says "CZ" on it. Actually, it would be pretty neat to have a 1911 that says,"MADE IN CZECH REPUBLIC". One of the few other countries in the world where carry permits are possible to get. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:20:19 AM EDT
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Does it do anything the RIA doesn't? Personally, I do NOT want a 1911 that says "CZ" on it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's OK and I like that it is made in the USA, but I doubt I'll be buying one. IMO it'd be kinda hard to walk into the "GI style" 1911 market at that price point when RIAs are selling for $329 with a solid reputation. Not very fair to compare a 1911 made by Dan Wesson to companies like RIA and expect similar price points... Does it do anything the RIA doesn't? Personally, I do NOT want a 1911 that says "CZ" on it. I'm hoping you're trolling... RIA doesn't put nearly the time and hand fitting into their 1911's that DW will on these guns.... I'm far from a 1911 expert, but I do know that hand fitting parts has a lot to do with their reliability and performance. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:37:11 AM EDT
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I'm hoping you're trolling... RIA doesn't put nearly the time and hand fitting into their 1911's that DW will on these guns.... I'm far from a 1911 expert, but I do know that hand fitting parts has a lot to do with their reliability and performance. My response wasn't aimed at you, but the other poster. It's the same old circle jerk of high priced 1911s vs low priced 1911s. They can all shoot .45 and they essentially all the do same thing. They also all have a different price point for a reason. The buyer decides what features he wants at a price he is willing to pay. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 1:12:22 PM EDT
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I'm hoping you're trolling... RIA doesn't put nearly the time and hand fitting into their 1911's that DW will on these guns.... I'm far from a 1911 expert, but I do know that hand fitting parts has a lot to do with their reliability and performance. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's OK and I like that it is made in the USA, but I doubt I'll be buying one. IMO it'd be kinda hard to walk into the "GI style" 1911 market at that price point when RIAs are selling for $329 with a solid reputation. Not very fair to compare a 1911 made by Dan Wesson to companies like RIA and expect similar price points... Does it do anything the RIA doesn't? Personally, I do NOT want a 1911 that says "CZ" on it. I'm hoping you're trolling... RIA doesn't put nearly the time and hand fitting into their 1911's that DW will on these guns.... I'm far from a 1911 expert, but I do know that hand fitting parts has a lot to do with their reliability and performance. do we really know that these guns will be built with same type of care and fit as the Dan Wesson line or is it speculation? I get that they are same facility etc but do we know for sure that you are getting a Dan Wesson in CZ clothing? |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 1:26:35 PM EDT
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do we really know that these guns will be built with same type of care and fit as the Dan Wesson line or is it speculation? I get that they are same facility etc but do we know for sure that you are getting a Dan Wesson in CZ clothing? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's OK and I like that it is made in the USA, but I doubt I'll be buying one. IMO it'd be kinda hard to walk into the "GI style" 1911 market at that price point when RIAs are selling for $329 with a solid reputation. Not very fair to compare a 1911 made by Dan Wesson to companies like RIA and expect similar price points... Does it do anything the RIA doesn't? Personally, I do NOT want a 1911 that says "CZ" on it. I'm hoping you're trolling... RIA doesn't put nearly the time and hand fitting into their 1911's that DW will on these guns.... I'm far from a 1911 expert, but I do know that hand fitting parts has a lot to do with their reliability and performance. do we really know that these guns will be built with same type of care and fit as the Dan Wesson line or is it speculation? I get that they are same facility etc but do we know for sure that you are getting a Dan Wesson in CZ clothing? I doubt it will get the attention that their high end 1911's get, but I also highly doubt they will just send a run-of-the-mill 1911 out the door when people know they're building them. It would give them a bad name. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 1:48:50 PM EDT
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do we really know that these guns will be built with same type of care and fit as the Dan Wesson line or is it speculation? I get that they are same facility etc but do we know for sure that you are getting a Dan Wesson in CZ clothing? Take it how you want. From Keith at DW on another forum: [QUOTE=Keith DW;5387079]You can't make a 1911- here in the states- for anywhere close to $500.00. Not one of this quality anyway. There is no MIM or plastic in this particular model and GI parts are like Hens Teeth. Quality ones anyway. Unless you are making 10,000 of them or more and can afford to pay for MIM tooling and such but CZ only plans to make 1,000 of these this year. CZ marked the slide like they do all of their pistols. BTW they sell a heck of a lot more CZ pistols than DW's... I can't blame them for branding them this way. Besides, All the other GI guns out there either have HUGE engravings on the slide or plaster the whole left side with roll marks. The CZ's are a balance between the two. Obviously, I am not a big fan of lots of engraving or roll marks but the gun itself is a heck of a gun and that is the most important factor to me.[/UOTE] Eta: he has also stated in the past he wanted to do a GI pistol for a while. Reading between the lines it's obvious to me this is his pet project and is doing what he can to make it cost effective and still providing a quality gun that will turn a profit. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 1:51:23 PM EDT
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Take it how you want. From Keith at DW on another forum: [QUOTE=Keith DW;5387079]You can't make a 1911- here in the states- for anywhere close to $500.00. Not one of this quality anyway. There is no MIM or plastic in this particular model and GI parts are like Hens Teeth. Quality ones anyway. Unless you are making 10,000 of them or more and can afford to pay for MIM tooling and such but CZ only plans to make 1,000 of these this year. CZ marked the slide like they do all of their pistols. BTW they sell a heck of a lot more CZ pistols than DW's... I can't blame them for branding them this way. Besides, All the other GI guns out there either have HUGE engravings on the slide or plaster the whole left side with roll marks. The CZ's are a balance between the two. Obviously, I am not a big fan of lots of engraving or roll marks but the gun itself is a heck of a gun and that is the most important factor to me.[/UOTE] Quote HistoryQuoted:
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do we really know that these guns will be built with same type of care and fit as the Dan Wesson line or is it speculation? I get that they are same facility etc but do we know for sure that you are getting a Dan Wesson in CZ clothing? Take it how you want. From Keith at DW on another forum: [QUOTE=Keith DW;5387079]You can't make a 1911- here in the states- for anywhere close to $500.00. Not one of this quality anyway. There is no MIM or plastic in this particular model and GI parts are like Hens Teeth. Quality ones anyway. Unless you are making 10,000 of them or more and can afford to pay for MIM tooling and such but CZ only plans to make 1,000 of these this year. CZ marked the slide like they do all of their pistols. BTW they sell a heck of a lot more CZ pistols than DW's... I can't blame them for branding them this way. Besides, All the other GI guns out there either have HUGE engravings on the slide or plaster the whole left side with roll marks. The CZ's are a balance between the two. Obviously, I am not a big fan of lots of engraving or roll marks but the gun itself is a heck of a gun and that is the most important factor to me.[/UOTE] Very nice. Just as I expected... Just because it says CZ on it, don't think DW isn't going to give it the necessary attention it needs as anything that comes from DW would get. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 1:52:37 PM EDT
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Take it how you want. From Keith at DW on another forum: [QUOTE=Keith DW;5387079]You can't make a 1911- here in the states- for anywhere close to $500.00. Not one of this quality anyway. There is no MIM or plastic in this particular model and GI parts are like Hens Teeth. Quality ones anyway. Unless you are making 10,000 of them or more and can afford to pay for MIM tooling and such but CZ only plans to make 1,000 of these this year. CZ marked the slide like they do all of their pistols. BTW they sell a heck of a lot more CZ pistols than DW's... I can't blame them for branding them this way. Besides, All the other GI guns out there either have HUGE engravings on the slide or plaster the whole left side with roll marks. The CZ's are a balance between the two. Obviously, I am not a big fan of lots of engraving or roll marks but the gun itself is a heck of a gun and that is the most important factor to me.[/UOTE] Eta: he has also stated in the past he wanted to do a GI pistol for a while. Reading between the lines it's obvious to me this is his pet project and is doing what he can to make it cost effective and still providing a quality gun that will turn a profit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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do we really know that these guns will be built with same type of care and fit as the Dan Wesson line or is it speculation? I get that they are same facility etc but do we know for sure that you are getting a Dan Wesson in CZ clothing? Take it how you want. From Keith at DW on another forum: [QUOTE=Keith DW;5387079]You can't make a 1911- here in the states- for anywhere close to $500.00. Not one of this quality anyway. There is no MIM or plastic in this particular model and GI parts are like Hens Teeth. Quality ones anyway. Unless you are making 10,000 of them or more and can afford to pay for MIM tooling and such but CZ only plans to make 1,000 of these this year. CZ marked the slide like they do all of their pistols. BTW they sell a heck of a lot more CZ pistols than DW's... I can't blame them for branding them this way. Besides, All the other GI guns out there either have HUGE engravings on the slide or plaster the whole left side with roll marks. The CZ's are a balance between the two. Obviously, I am not a big fan of lots of engraving or roll marks but the gun itself is a heck of a gun and that is the most important factor to me.[/UOTE] Eta: he has also stated in the past he wanted to do a GI pistol for a while. Reading between the lines it's obvious to me this is his pet project and is doing what he can to make it cost effective and still providing a quality gun that will turn a profit. thanks for sharing....I can read between the lines...how long before I can snatch one up
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Posted: 1/16/2015 2:01:15 PM EDT
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Not very fair to compare a 1911 made by Dan Wesson to companies like RIA and expect similar price points... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's OK and I like that it is made in the USA, but I doubt I'll be buying one. IMO it'd be kinda hard to walk into the "GI style" 1911 market at that price point when RIAs are selling for $329 with a solid reputation. Not very fair to compare a 1911 made by Dan Wesson to companies like RIA and expect similar price points... Yeah , I will second that ...Rocky island makes marginal handguns in the Phillapines. Let's compare them to something put out by CZ/ Dan Wesson that is built in the USA. Built in USA means something |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 2:02:10 PM EDT
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After Shot I guess but I don't have the slightest idea
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Posted: 1/16/2015 2:22:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: thanks for sharing....I can read between the lines...how long before I can snatch one up Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: do we really know that these guns will be built with same type of care and fit as the Dan Wesson line or is it speculation? I get that they are same facility etc but do we know for sure that you are getting a Dan Wesson in CZ clothing? Take it how you want. From Keith at DW on another forum: [QUOTE=Keith DW;5387079]You can't make a 1911- here in the states- for anywhere close to $500.00. Not one of this quality anyway. There is no MIM or plastic in this particular model and GI parts are like Hens Teeth. Quality ones anyway. Unless you are making 10,000 of them or more and can afford to pay for MIM tooling and such but CZ only plans to make 1,000 of these this year. CZ marked the slide like they do all of their pistols. BTW they sell a heck of a lot more CZ pistols than DW's... I can't blame them for branding them this way. Besides, All the other GI guns out there either have HUGE engravings on the slide or plaster the whole left side with roll marks. The CZ's are a balance between the two. Obviously, I am not a big fan of lots of engraving or roll marks but the gun itself is a heck of a gun and that is the most important factor to me.[/UOTE] Eta: he has also stated in the past he wanted to do a GI pistol for a while. Reading between the lines it's obvious to me this is his pet project and is doing what he can to make it cost effective and still providing a quality gun that will turn a profit. thanks for sharing....I can read between the lines...how long before I can snatch one up On the first page someone mentioned that they called the factory and were informed that they start shipping in Feb. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 3:00:31 PM EDT
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Take it how you want. From Keith at DW on another forum: [QUOTE=Keith DW;5387079]You can't make a 1911- here in the states- for anywhere close to $500.00. Not one of this quality anyway. There is no MIM or plastic in this particular model and GI parts are like Hens Teeth. Quality ones anyway. Unless you are making 10,000 of them or more and can afford to pay for MIM tooling and such but CZ only plans to make 1,000 of these this year. CZ marked the slide like they do all of their pistols. BTW they sell a heck of a lot more CZ pistols than DW's... I can't blame them for branding them this way. Besides, All the other GI guns out there either have HUGE engravings on the slide or plaster the whole left side with roll marks. The CZ's are a balance between the two. Obviously, I am not a big fan of lots of engraving or roll marks but the gun itself is a heck of a gun and that is the most important factor to me.[/UOTE] Eta: he has also stated in the past he wanted to do a GI pistol for a while. Reading between the lines it's obvious to me this is his pet project and is doing what he can to make it cost effective and still providing a quality gun that will turn a profit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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do we really know that these guns will be built with same type of care and fit as the Dan Wesson line or is it speculation? I get that they are same facility etc but do we know for sure that you are getting a Dan Wesson in CZ clothing? Take it how you want. From Keith at DW on another forum: [QUOTE=Keith DW;5387079]You can't make a 1911- here in the states- for anywhere close to $500.00. Not one of this quality anyway. There is no MIM or plastic in this particular model and GI parts are like Hens Teeth. Quality ones anyway. Unless you are making 10,000 of them or more and can afford to pay for MIM tooling and such but CZ only plans to make 1,000 of these this year. CZ marked the slide like they do all of their pistols. BTW they sell a heck of a lot more CZ pistols than DW's... I can't blame them for branding them this way. Besides, All the other GI guns out there either have HUGE engravings on the slide or plaster the whole left side with roll marks. The CZ's are a balance between the two. Obviously, I am not a big fan of lots of engraving or roll marks but the gun itself is a heck of a gun and that is the most important factor to me.[/UOTE] Eta: he has also stated in the past he wanted to do a GI pistol for a while. Reading between the lines it's obvious to me this is his pet project and is doing what he can to make it cost effective and still providing a quality gun that will turn a profit. That means a lot,to me,that he put that out there. I will be looking for one next month. 
And: The no MIM is a bonus. ETA: If i can find one for $700,or so, i will jump on it. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 4:15:36 PM EDT
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I'm just saying it isn't really a 1911 A1 with all their modifications; it's misleading marketing as far as I'm concerned. If you're fine with the name then yeah for you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What should they call it then? I'm just saying it isn't really a 1911 A1 with all their modifications; it's misleading marketing as far as I'm concerned. If you're fine with the name then yeah for you. It's not an M1911A1 unless it was shipped to the US Government. Relax. I don't anyone will be mislead into thinking they're getting a pre-1945 contact gun. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 5:42:38 PM EDT
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I need this in my life.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 8:12:32 PM EDT
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Yeah , I will second that ...Rocky island makes marginal handguns in the Phillapines. Let's compare them to something put out by CZ/ Dan Wesson that is built in the USA. Built in USA means something Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's OK and I like that it is made in the USA, but I doubt I'll be buying one. IMO it'd be kinda hard to walk into the "GI style" 1911 market at that price point when RIAs are selling for $329 with a solid reputation. Not very fair to compare a 1911 made by Dan Wesson to companies like RIA and expect similar price points... Yeah , I will second that ...Rocky island makes marginal handguns in the Phillapines. Let's compare them to something put out by CZ/ Dan Wesson that is built in the USA. Built in USA means something No, "built by Dan Wesson" means something. The workmanship on Rock Islands is on par with (and better than some) mass produced American 1911's. Both the RIA and many American guns are full of MIM parts. Also, CZ needs to take that shit off of the slide. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 3:32:06 PM EDT
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Maybe CZ would have been better off to make it under the Dan Wesson Label and just put the 1911 A1 Makings on it! The Name doesn't mean that much to Me as the Quality of the Gun Does. It would be nice if they will be using Tool Steel Internals like the DW Valor, but at that price it's doubtful the Internals will be Tool Steel.
Does anyone know if the Frame and Slide are Forged Steel or Cast? The Valor is Forged and has the Tool Steel Fire Control and other Parts. But cost 1000.00 More than the CZ 1911 For now I will stick with My Springfield Milspec and TRP and hope to one Day buy a DW Valor:) and see more about the CZ 1911 such as User Feedback Etc. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 3:37:26 PM EDT
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Maybe CZ would have been better off to make it under the Dan Wesson Label and just put the 1911 A1 Makings on it! The Name doesn't mean that much to Me as the Quality of the Gun Does. It would be nice if they will be using Tool Steel Internals like the DW Valor, but at that price it's doubtful the Internals will be Tool Steel. Does anyone know if the Frame and Slide are Forged Steel or Cast? The Valor is Forged and has the Tool Steel Fire Control and other Parts. But cost 1000.00 More than the CZ 1911 For now I will stick with My Springfield Milspec and TRP and hope to one Day buy a DW Valor:) and see more about the CZ 1911 such as User Feedback Etc. To be honest, if they produced this under the Dan Wesson label it would diminish the brand. The low end for Dan Wesson is the Heritage and I don't see it advantageous to CZ to produce any 1911s under that price point under the DW label. |
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