Posted: 6/7/2009 10:45:33 AM EDT
| Just wanted to know if anybody has been noticed carrying concealed where weapons are prohibited (malls, store, etc) and what was the outcome Thanks |
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The outcome will depend on the laws in your home state.
In Florida; if a business posts No Firearms signs they do not have the effect of law and you may legally enter in spite of those signs. If you're spotted however and asked to leave you need to do so ASAP or else the police can be called and you'd be guilty of trespass. We do have some places where it's illegal to carry such as school grounds, the sterile area in airports, bars including the portion of restaurants that derive more than 50% of their revenue from the sale of liquor, and US post offices (although not the privately owned franchised post offices that are common where I live). |
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The outcome will depend on the laws in your home state. In Florida; if a business posts No Firearms signs they do not have the effect of law and you may legally enter in spite of those signs. If you're spotted however and asked to leave you need to do so ASAP or else the police can be called and you'd be guilty of trespass. We do have some places where it's illegal to carry such as school grounds, the sterile area in airports, bars including the portion of restaurants that derive more than 50% of their revenue from the sale of liquor, and US post offices (although not the privately owned franchised post offices that are common where I live). It was to my understanding that the USPS banned firearms unless it was by lawful means. I.E. you're in a state that permits carrying, so you can carry on to the PO unless you are using it in the commission of a crime. |
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In DE, it is considered "Flashing",
it will likely cost you some time on the ground and being cuffed until things are sorted out. (if the cops are called and you are still there when they arrive) If it goes before a review board (Panel of Judges), you may lose your permit. ETA; 14 years and never a problem here. |
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The outcome will depend on the laws in your home state. In Florida; if a business posts No Firearms signs they do not have the effect of law and you may legally enter in spite of those signs. If you're spotted however and asked to leave you need to do so ASAP or else the police can be called and you'd be guilty of trespass. We do have some places where it's illegal to carry such as school grounds, the sterile area in airports, bars including the portion of restaurants that derive more than 50% of their revenue from the sale of liquor, and US post offices (although not the privately owned franchised post offices that are common where I live). This, Fl. law states that a business is subject to state concealed carry laws, if your weapon is exposed you may be asked to leave or are subject to tresspassing but concealed is concealed. |
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The outcome will depend on the laws in your home state. In Florida; if a business posts No Firearms signs they do not have the effect of law and you may legally enter in spite of those signs. If you're spotted however and asked to leave you need to do so ASAP or else the police can be called and you'd be guilty of trespass. We do have some places where it's illegal to carry such as school grounds, the sterile area in airports, bars including the portion of restaurants that derive more than 50% of their revenue from the sale of liquor, and US post offices (although not the privately owned franchised post offices that are common where I live). It was to my understanding that the USPS banned firearms unless it was by lawful means. I.E. you're in a state that permits carrying, so you can carry on to the PO unless you are using it in the commission of a crime. In Florida; it's not legal to carry in a United States Post Office nor AFAIK in any other state either. |
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I seen a small sign saying no handguns at our local MALL Man FL laws suck a big one compared to my home state/town I dont break the Law In Florida you won't be breaking the law; if you have a CWL you can legally ignore that sign and stroll right into that mall while carrying a concealed weapon or firearm. |
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I seen a small sign saying no handguns at our local MALL Man FL laws suck a big one compared to my home state/town I dont break the Law  Where are you from? While Florida laws may not be the best in the nation, they are pretty good and have gotten better in the last couple of years.
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The outcome will depend on the laws in your home state. In Florida; if a business posts No Firearms signs they do not have the effect of law and you may legally enter in spite of those signs. If you're spotted however and asked to leave you need to do so ASAP or else the police can be called and you'd be guilty of trespass. We do have some places where it's illegal to carry such as school grounds, the sterile area in airports, bars including the portion of restaurants that derive more than 50% of their revenue from the sale of liquor, and US post offices (although not the privately owned franchised post offices that are common where I live). +It was to my understanding that the USPS banned firearms unless it was by lawful means. I.E. you're in a state that permits carrying, so you can carry on to the PO unless you are using it in the commission of a crime. In Florida; it's not legal to carry in a United States Post Office nor AFAIK in any other state either. +1000 It is illegal, in point of fact, to carry so much as a pocket knife, with a blade over 2.5 inches, as I recollect, by Federal law. Post Offices are a no-no, and have been for decades. I have a damned knife that meets the code, for when I have to go to an infernal post office, and empty my pockets otherwise to meet the letter of the law. |
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The outcome will depend on the laws in your home state. In Florida; if a business posts No Firearms signs they do not have the effect of law and you may legally enter in spite of those signs. If you're spotted however and asked to leave you need to do so ASAP or else the police can be called and you'd be guilty of trespass. We do have some places where it's illegal to carry such as school grounds, the sterile area in airports, bars including the portion of restaurants that derive more than 50% of their revenue from the sale of liquor, and US post offices (although not the privately owned franchised post offices that are common where I live). It was to my understanding that the USPS banned firearms unless it was by lawful means. I.E. you're in a state that permits carrying, so you can carry on to the PO unless you are using it in the commission of a crime. In Florida; it's not legal to carry in a United States Post Office nor AFAIK in any other state either. 18 USC 930: Sec. 930. Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities STATUTE (a) Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both. (b) Whoever, with intent that a firearm or other dangerous weapon be used in the commission of a crime, knowingly possesses or causes to be present such firearm or dangerous weapon in a Federal facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both. (c) A person who kills or attempts to kill any person in the course of a violation of subsection (a) or (b), or in the course of an attack on a Federal facility involving the use of a firearm or other dangerous weapon, shall be punished as provided in sections 1111, 1112, and 1113. (d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to - (1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer, agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of law; (2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such possession is authorized by law; or (3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes. (e)(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm in a Federal court facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both. (e)(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to conduct which is described in paragraph (1) or (2) of subsection (d). (f) Nothing in this section limits the power of a court of the United States to punish for contempt or to promulgate rules or orders regulating, restricting, or prohibiting the possession of weapons within any building housing such court or any of its proceedings, or upon any grounds appurtenant to such building. (g) As used in this section: (1) The term ''Federal facility'' means a building or part thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, where Federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties. (2) The term ''dangerous weapon'' means a weapon, device, instrument, material, or substance, animate or inanimate, that is used for, or is readily capable of, causing death or serious bodily injury, except that such term does not include a pocket knife with a blade of less than 2 1/2 inches in length. (3) The term ''Federal court facility'' means the courtroom, judges' chambers, witness rooms, jury deliberation rooms, attorney conference rooms, prisoner holding cells, offices of the court clerks, the United States attorney, and the United States marshal, probation and parole offices, and adjoining corridors of any court of the United States. (h) Notice of the provisions of subsections (a) and (b) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal facility, and notice of subsection (e) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal court facility, and no person shall be convicted of an offense under subsection (a) or (e) with respect to a Federal facility if such notice is not so posted at such facility, unless such person had actual notice of subsection (a) or (e), as the case may be. |
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Quoted: Just wanted to know if anybody has been noticed carrying concealed where weapons are prohibited (malls, store, etc) and what was the outcome Thanks If my CC was noticed by anyone, it was never brought up. I'm usually very discreet about cover garments and concealing the BUG.
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The outcome will depend on the laws in your home state. In Florida; if a business posts No Firearms signs they do not have the effect of law and you may legally enter in spite of those signs. If you're spotted however and asked to leave you need to do so ASAP or else the police can be called and you'd be guilty of trespass. We do have some places where it's illegal to carry such as school grounds, the sterile area in airports, bars including the portion of restaurants that derive more than 50% of their revenue from the sale of liquor, and US post offices (although not the privately owned franchised post offices that are common where I live). This sounds like Texas. I guess we followed your lead on our CHL laws. Our school laws has some exceptions though. |
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I seen a small sign saying no handguns at our local MALL Man FL laws suck a big one compared to my home state/town I dont break the Law In Florida you won't be breaking the law; if you have a CWL you can legally ignore that sign and stroll right into that mall while carrying a concealed weapon or firearm. The Fn sign is by the rest rooms 
Also I pick my daughter up at school curb service I still have a hangun on me and dont ever get out of car Do you know if Im now a Felon? I felt safer in my home town compared to PUNTA GORDA I got my CCW permitt in the 80`s I carry when ever I go outsde Moved to SWFL 5/6yrs ago In IND . I carried any place Bar,,Bank etc! But I knew the LEO there and law LEO never had a problem with it ! Later on I think the court house changed because of shootings Plus it help when you know the owner 
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The outcome will depend on the laws in your home state. In Florida; if a business posts No Firearms signs they do not have the effect of law and you may legally enter in spite of those signs. If you're spotted however and asked to leave you need to do so ASAP or else the police can be called and you'd be guilty of trespass. We do have some places where it's illegal to carry such as school grounds, the sterile area in airports, bars including the portion of restaurants that derive more than 50% of their revenue from the sale of liquor, and US post offices (although not the privately owned franchised post offices that are common where I live). This sounds like Texas. I guess we followed your lead on our CHL laws. Our school laws has some exceptions though. One of the best things about Florida's CWL law is that our personal information is held to be not a matter of the public record, so our names and addresses will not be released to the public or news media and in fact, it is illegal to do so. |
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I seen a small sign saying no handguns at our local MALL Man FL laws suck a big one compared to my home state/town I dont break the Law Where are you from? While Florida laws may not be the best in the nation, they are pretty good and have gotten better in the last couple of years.
No I have never been 'busted' in more thatn 20 years of carrying. Like you!! I've carried/held a CCW permit for over 20+ years now When I got my permit I talk to the local Sheriff !! about laws I should be aware of! So in IND my town. I could carry pretty much any place I go! NO SIGNS at the mall or other places In the Late 90`s there was a sign on the High School That showed pills dope and a handgun with a circle cross Since drugs are illegal I understood it But not the handgun That sign is VAGUE Since my Dad taught there we had a discussion 
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I seen a small sign saying no handguns at our local MALL Man FL laws suck a big one compared to my home state/town I dont break the Law In Florida you won't be breaking the law; if you have a CWL you can legally ignore that sign and stroll right into that mall while carrying a concealed weapon or firearm. The Fn sign is by the rest rooms
Also I pick my daughter up at school curb service I still have a hangun on me and dont ever get out of car Do you know if Im now a Felon? I felt safer in my home town compared to PUNTA GORDA I got my CCW permitt in the 80`s I carry when ever I go outsde Moved to SWFL 5/6yrs ago In IND . I carried any place Bar,,Bank etc! But I knew the LEO there and law LEO never had a problem with it ! Later on I think the court house changed because of shootings Plus it help when you know the owner
Under FEDERAL law if you've got a valid CWL you're not breaking the law when you pick up your daughter curbside outside of her school. Under that same FEDERAL law people that don't; need to stay 500 feet from the school or away from the school bus stop, when in possession of a firearm or other weapon. So no handcuffs for you.
ETA: How does a not so bright individual such as myself know this stuff ? The answer is here. http://www.floridafirearmslaw.com/p/Florida-Firearms-Law-Use-Ownership-Book.html Buy this book; it's sold at almost every guns store for; it's written in layman's language rather than legal mumbo jumbo and it's easy reading, not boring. 
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I seen a small sign saying no handguns at our local MALL Man FL laws suck a big one compared to my home state/town I dont break the Law In Florida you won't be breaking the law; if you have a CWL you can legally ignore that sign and stroll right into that mall while carrying a concealed weapon or firearm. The Fn sign is by the rest rooms
Also I pick my daughter up at school curb service I still have a hangun on me and dont ever get out of car Do you know if Im now a Felon? I felt safer in my home town compared to PUNTA GORDA I got my CCW permitt in the 80`s I carry when ever I go outsde Moved to SWFL 5/6yrs ago In IND . I carried any place Bar,,Bank etc! But I knew the LEO there and law LEO never had a problem with it ! Later on I think the court house changed because of shootings Plus it help when you know the owner
Under FEDERAL law if you've got a valid CWL you're not breaking the law when you pick up your daughter curbside outside of her school. Under that same FEDERAL law people that don't; need to stay 500 feet from the school or away from the school bus stop, when in possession of a firearm or other weapon. So no handcuffs for you.
ETA: How does a not so bright individual such as myself know this stuff ? The answer is here. http://www.floridafirearmslaw.com/p/Florida-Firearms-Law-Use-Ownership-Book.html Buy this book; it's sold at almost every guns store for; it's written in layman's language rather than legal mumbo jumbo and it's easy reading, not boring. http://www.floridafirearmslaw.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/BOOK.jpg OUTSTANDING !! I will look for the book I pick my daughter at the school parking lot We wait in line car after car to pick up our kids THE LAW SUCKS Im a good guy and held a permit for 20+yrs WE GOOD GUYs should be able to carry in school Look at all the school shootings If a Parent was around this might not happen |
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Thanks, I understand concealed means concealed. I was hoping for some actual first hand experience where your gun was accidently exposed,and what the outcome was. Thanks again LOL. Unfortunately for us, we don't live in these other states... Getting busted in NY, specifically NYC, you'de likely be arrested, in Nassau, Suffolk, Putnam or Westchester you would probably be able to talk your way through the situation, most other counties wouldn't care... Keep Ear n eye protection and a few targets in a bag inside you vehicle at all times... Know where your "shooting ranges" are. |
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For the holdouts regarding carry in United States Post Offices.
BTW; these regulations do not apply in privately owned franchised satellite post offices of which there are many where I live. [Code of Federal Regulations] [Title 39, Volume 1] [Revised as of July 1, 2003] From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access [CITE: 39CFR232.1] [Page 56-60] TITLE 39––POSTAL SERVICE CHAPTER I––UNITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE PART 232––CONDUCT ON POSTAL PROPERTY––Table of Contents Sec. 232.1 Conduct on postal property. (a) Applicability. This section applies to all real property under the charge and control of the Postal Service, to all tenant agencies, and to all persons entering in or on such property. This section shall be posted and kept posted at a conspicuous place on all such property. [[Page 57]] (b) Inspection, recording presence. (1) Purses, briefcases, and other containers brought into, while on, or being removed from the property are subject to inspection. However, items brought directly to a postal facility's customer mailing acceptance area and deposited in the mail are not subject to inspection, except as provided by section 274 of the Administrative Support Manual. A person arrested for violation of this section may be searched incident to that arrest. (2) Vehicles and their contents brought into, while on, or being removed from restricted nonpublic areas are subject to inspection. A prominently displayed sign shall advise in advance that vehicles and their contents are subject to inspection when entering the restricted nonpublic area, while in the confines of the area, or when leaving the area. Persons entering these areas who object and refuse to consent to the inspection of the vehicle, its contents, or both, may be denied entry; after entering the area without objection, consent shall be implied. A full search of a person and any vehicle driven or occupied by the person may accompany an arrest. (3) Except as otherwise ordered, properties must be closed to the public after normal business hours. Properties also may be closed to the public in emergency situations and at such other times as may be necessary for the orderly conduct of business. Admission to properties during periods when such properties are closed to the public may be limited to authorized individuals who may be required to sign the register and display identification documents when requested by security force personnel or other authorized individuals. (c) Preservation of property. Improperly disposing of rubbish, spitting, creating any hazard to persons or things, throwing articles of any kind from a building, climbing upon the roof or any part of a building, or willfully destroying, damaging, or removing any property or any part thereof, is prohibited. (d) Conformity with signs and directions. All persons in and on property shall comply with official signs of a prohibitory or directory nature, and with the directions of security force personnel or other authorized individuals. (e) Disturbances. Disorderly conduct, or conduct which creates loud and unusual noise, or which obstructs the usual use of entrances, foyers, corridors, offices, elevators, stairways, and parking lots, or which otherwise tends to impede or disturb the public employees in the performance of their duties, or which otherwise impedes or disturbs the general public in transacting business or obtaining the services provided on property, is prohibited. (f) Gambling. Participating in games for money or other personal property, the operation of gambling devices, the conduct of a lottery or pool, or the selling or purchasing of lottery tickets, is prohibited on postal premises. This prohibition does not apply to the vending or exchange of State Lottery tickets at vending facilities operated by licensed blind persons where such lotteries are authorized by state law. (See Domestic Mail Manual 123.351 and 123.42; Administrative Support Manual 221.42; Regional Instructions, Part 782, section IV G 2c.) (g) Alcoholic beverages, drugs, and smoking. (1) A person under the influence of an alcoholic beverage or any drug that has been defined as a ``controlled substance'' may not enter postal property or operate a motor vehicle on postal property. The possession, sale, or use of any ``controlled substance'' (except when permitted by law) or the sale or use of any alcoholic beverage (except as authorized by the Postmaster General or designee) on postal premises is prohibited. The term ``controlled substance'' is defined in section 802 of title 21 U.S.C. (2) Smoking (defined as having a lighted cigar, cigarette, pipe, or other smoking material) is prohibited in all postal buildings and office space, including public lobbies. (h) Soliciting, electioneering, collecting debts, vending, and advertising. (1) Soliciting alms and contributions, campaigning for election to any public office, collecting private debts, soliciting and vending for commercial purposes (including, but not limited to, the [[Page 58]] vending of newspapers and other publications), displaying or distributing commercial advertising, soliciting signatures on petitions, polls, or surveys (except as otherwise authorized by Postal Service regulations), and impeding ingress to or egress from post offices are prohibited. These prohibitions do not apply to: (i) Commercial or nonprofit activities performed under contract with the Postal Service or pursuant to the provisions of the Randolph- Sheppard Act; (ii) Posting notices on bulletin boards as authorized in Sec. 243.2(a) of this chapter; (iii) The solicitation of Postal Service and other Federal military and civilian personnel for contributions by recognized agencies as authorized by the Manual on Fund Raising Within the the Federal Service, issued by the Chairman of the U.S. Civil Service Commission under Executive Order 10927 of March 13, 1961. (2) Solicitations and other actions which are prohibited by paragraph (h)(1) of this section when conducted on Postal Service property should not be directed by mail or telephone to postal employees on Postal Service property. The Postal Service will not accept or distribute mail or accept telephone calls directed to its employees which are believed to be contrary to paragraph (h)(1) of this section. (3) Leafleting, distributing literature, picketing, and demonstrating by members of the public are prohibited in lobbies and other interior areas of postal buildings open to the public. Public assembly and public address, except when conducted or sponsored by the Postal Service, are also prohibited in lobbies and other interior areas of postal building open to the public. (4) Voter registration. Voter registration may be conducted on postal premises only with the approval of the postmaster or installation head provided that all of the following conditions are met: (i) The registration must be conducted by government agencies or nonprofit civic leagues or organizations that operate for the promotion of social welfare but do not participate or intervene in any political campaign on behalf of any candidate or political party for any public office. (ii) Absolutely no partisan or political literature may be available, displayed, or distributed. This includes photographs, cartoons, and other likenesses of elected officials and candidates for public office. (iii) The registration is permitted only in those areas of the postal premises regularly open to the public. (iv) The registration must not interfere with the conduct of postal business, postal customers, or postal operations. (v) The organization conducting the voter registration must provide and be responsible for any equipment and supplies. (vi) Contributions may not be solicited. (vii) Access to the workroom floor is prohibited. (viii) The registration activities are limited to an appropriate period before an election. (5) Except as part of postal activities or activities associated with those permitted under paragraph (h)(4) of this section, no tables, chairs, freestanding signs or posters, structures, or furniture of any type may be placed in postal lobbies or on postal walkways, steps, plazas, lawns or landscaped areas, driveways, parking lots, or other exterior spaces. (i) Photographs for news, advertising, or commercial purposes. Except as prohibited by official signs or the directions of security force personnel or other authorized personnel, or a Federal court order or rule, photographs for news purposes may be taken in entrances, lobbies, foyers, corridors, or auditoriums when used for public meetings. Other photographs may be taken only with the permission of the local postmaster or installation head. (j) Dogs and other animals. Dogs and other animals, except those used to assist persons with disabilities, must not be brought upon postal property for other than official purposes. (k) Vehicular and pedestrian traffic. (1) Drivers of all vehicles in or on property shall be in possession of a current and valid state or territory issued driver's license and vehicle registration, and the vehicle shall display all current [[Page 59]] and valid tags and licenses required by the jurisdiction in which it is registered. (2) Drivers who have had their privilege or license to drive suspended or revoked by any state or territory shall not drive any vehicle in or on property during such period of suspension or revocation. (3) Drivers of all vehicles in or on property shall drive in a careful and safe manner at all times and shall comply with the signals and directions of security force personnel, other authorized individuals, and all posted traffic signs. (4) The blocking of entrances, driveways, walks, loading platforms, or fire hydrants in or on property is prohibited. (5) Parking without authority, parking in unauthorized locations or in locations reserved for other persons, or continuously in excess of 18 hours without permission, or contrary to the direction of posted signs is prohibited. This section may be supplemented by the postmaster or installation head from time to time by the issuance and posting of specific traffic directives as may be required. When so issued and posted such directives shall have the same force and effect as if made a part hereof. (l) Weapons and explosives. No person while on postal property may carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either openly or concealed, or store the same on postal property, except for official purposes. (m) Nondiscrimination. There must be no discrimination by segregation or otherwise against any person or persons because of race, color, religion, national origin, sex, age (persons 40 years of age or older are protected), reprisal (discrimination against a person for having filed or for having participated in the processing of an EEO complaint––29 CFR 1613.26l-262), or physical or mental handicap, in furnishing, or by refusing to furnish to such person or persons the use of any facility of a public nature, including all services, privileges, accommodations, and activities provided on postal property. (n) Conduct with regard to meetings of the Board of Governors. (1) Without the permission of the chairman no person may participate in, film, televise, or broadcast any portion of any meeting of the Board or any subdivision or committee of the Board. Any person may electronically record or photograph a meeting, as long as that action does not tend to impede or disturb the members of the Board in the performance of their duties, or members of the public while attempting to attend or observe a meeting. (2) Disorderly conduct, or conduct which creates loud or unusual noise, obstructs the ordinary use of entrances, foyers, corridors, offices, meeting rooms, elevators, stairways, or parking lots, or otherwise tends to impede or disturb the members of the Board in the performance of their duties, or members of the public while attempting to attend or observe a meeting of the Board or of any subdivision, or committee of the Board, is prohibited. (3) Any person who violates paragraph (n) (1) or (2) of this section may, in addition to being subject to the penalties prescribed in paragraph (p) of this section, be removed from and barred from reentering postal property during the meeting with respect to which the violation occurred. (4) A copy of the rules of this section governing conduct on postal property, including the rules of this paragraph appropriately highlighted, shall be posted in prominent locations at the public entrances to postal property and outside the meeting room at any meeting of the Board of Governors or of any subdivision or committee of the Board. (o) Depositing literature. Depositing or posting handbills, flyers, pamphlets, signs, poster, placards, or other literature, except official postal and other Governmental notices and announcements, on the grounds, walks, driveways, parking and maneuvering areas, exteriors of buildings and other structures, or on the floors, walls, stairs, racks, counters, desks, writing tables, window-ledges, or furnishings in interior public areas on postal premises, is prohibited. This prohibition does not apply to: [[Page 60]] (1) Posting notices on bulletin boards as authorized in Sec. 243.2(a) of this chapter; (2) Interior space assigned to tenants for their exclusive use; (3) Posting of notices by U.S. Government-related organizations such as the Inaugural Committee as defined in 36 U.S.C. 721. (p) Penalties and other law. (1) Alleged violations of these rules and regulations are heard, and the penalties prescribed herein are imposed, either in a Federal district court or by a Federal magistrate in accordance with applicable court rules. Questions regarding such rules should be directed to the regional counsel for the region involved. (2) Whoever shall be found guilty of violating the rules and regulations in this section while on property under the charge and control of the Postal Service is subject to fine of not more than $50 or imprisonment of not more than 30 days, or both. Nothing contained in these rules and regulations shall be construed to abrogate any other Federal laws or regulations of any State and local laws and regulations applicable to any area in which the property is situated. (q) Enforcement. (1) Members of the U.S. Postal Service security force shall exercise the powers of special policemen provided by 40 U.S.C. 318 and shall be responsible for enforcing the regulations in this section in a manner that will protect Postal Service property. (2) Local postmasters and installation heads may, pursuant to 40 U.S.C. 318b and with the approval of the chief postal inspector or his designee, enter into agreements with State and local enforcement agencies to insure that these rules and regulations are enforced in a manner that will protect Postal Service property. (3) Postal Inspectors, Office of Inspector General Criminal Investigators, and other persons designated by the Chief Postal Inspector may likewise enforce regulations in this section. [37 FR 24346, Nov. 16, 1972, as amended at 38 FR 27824, Oct. 9, 1973; 41 FR 23955, June 14, 1976; 42 FR 17443, Apr. 1, 1977; 43 FR 38825, Aug. 31, 1978; 46 FR 898, Jan. 5, 1981. Redesignated and amended at 46 FR 34330, July 1, 1981; 47 FR 32113, July 26, 1982; 53 FR 29460, Aug. 5, 1988; 54 FR 20527, May 12, 1989; 57 FR 36903, Aug. 17, 1993; 57 FR 38443, Aug. 25, 1992; 63 FR 34600, June 25, 1998] |
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The outcome will depend on the laws in your home state. In Florida; if a business posts No Firearms signs they do not have the effect of law and you may legally enter in spite of those signs. If you're spotted however and asked to leave you need to do so ASAP or else the police can be called and you'd be guilty of trespass. We do have some places where it's illegal to carry such as school grounds, the sterile area in airports, bars including the portion of restaurants that derive more than 50% of their revenue from the sale of liquor, and US post offices (although not the privately owned franchised post offices that are common where I live). +It was to my understanding that the USPS banned firearms unless it was by lawful means. I.E. you're in a state that permits carrying, so you can carry on to the PO unless you are using it in the commission of a crime. In Florida; it's not legal to carry in a United States Post Office nor AFAIK in any other state either. +1000 It is illegal, in point of fact, to carry so much as a pocket knife, with a blade over 2.5 inches, as I recollect, by Federal law. Post Offices are a no-no, and have been for decades. I have a damned knife that meets the code, for when I have to go to an infernal post office, and empty my pockets otherwise to meet the letter of the law. Makes it pretty tough to MAIL a firearm doesn't it?? Last I checked that is a legal option. My Post Office doesn't have curb service.. |
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The outcome will depend on the laws in your home state. In Florida; if a business posts No Firearms signs they do not have the effect of law and you may legally enter in spite of those signs. If you're spotted however and asked to leave you need to do so ASAP or else the police can be called and you'd be guilty of trespass. We do have some places where it's illegal to carry such as school grounds, the sterile area in airports, bars including the portion of restaurants that derive more than 50% of their revenue from the sale of liquor, and US post offices (although not the privately owned franchised post offices that are common where I live). This sounds like Texas. I guess we followed your lead on our CHL laws. Our school laws has some exceptions though. EXCEPT, in Texas if a private business posts a proper notice (30.06 notice) you CAN be arrested for carry there. No one has to tell you to leave first. |
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The outcome will depend on the laws in your home state. In Florida; if a business posts No Firearms signs they do not have the effect of law and you may legally enter in spite of those signs. If you're spotted however and asked to leave you need to do so ASAP or else the police can be called and you'd be guilty of trespass. We do have some places where it's illegal to carry such as school grounds, the sterile area in airports, bars including the portion of restaurants that derive more than 50% of their revenue from the sale of liquor, and US post offices (although not the privately owned franchised post offices that are common where I live). +It was to my understanding that the USPS banned firearms unless it was by lawful means. I.E. you're in a state that permits carrying, so you can carry on to the PO unless you are using it in the commission of a crime. In Florida; it's not legal to carry in a United States Post Office nor AFAIK in any other state either. +1000 It is illegal, in point of fact, to carry so much as a pocket knife, with a blade over 2.5 inches, as I recollect, by Federal law. Post Offices are a no-no, and have been for decades. I have a damned knife that meets the code, for when I have to go to an infernal post office, and empty my pockets otherwise to meet the letter of the law. Makes it pretty tough to MAIL a firearm doesn't it?? Last I checked that is a legal option. My Post Office doesn't have curb service.. "For official purposes"; using the services of the post office and therefore, in that particular instance it's allowable. |
| I WAS CAUGHT ONCE WHILE I WAS CARRING MY FULL SIZE RUGER P89. I WAS RIDING MY ZX14 MOTORCYCLE WITH 2 FRIENDS AND THEN 4 OTHER GUYS STARTED RIDING WITH US. I WAS LEADING THE PACK WEARING BLUE JEANS , T SHIRT, AND MY RIDING JACKET. IT SEEMS THAT WHILE I WAS TURNING INTO A CURVE, THE GRIP TO MY RUGER STUCK OUT OF MY JEANS FAR ENOUGH TO CATCH UNDER MY RIDING JACKET AND THEN STUCK OUT LIKE A THIRD ARM. I DIDN'T NOTICE IT UNTIL WE ALL STOPED AT A GAS STATION AND THE OTHER 4 GUYS THAT WAS RIDING WITH US ASKED ME WHY I WAS CARRING A FIREARM. I TOLD THEM THAT I CARRIED JUST INCASE THINGS GOT OUT OF HAND. AFTER A COUPLE OF LAUGHS THEY STARTED ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW TO OBTAIN A CCW PERMIT AND THEY THOUGHT THAT IT WAS "COOL". THE REST OF THE RIDE WENT BY WITHOUT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR STARES. BUT I NOTICED THAT I DID GET A LITTLE MORE RESPECT FROM THEM. |
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I WAS CAUGHT ONCE WHILE I WAS CARRING MY FULL SIZE RUGER P89. I WAS RIDING MY ZX14 MOTORCYCLE WITH 2 FRIENDS AND THEN 4 OTHER GUYS STARTED RIDING WITH US. I WAS LEADING THE PACK WEARING BLUE JEANS , T SHIRT, AND MY RIDING JACKET. IT SEEMS THAT WHILE I WAS TURNING INTO A CURVE, THE GRIP TO MY RUGER STUCK OUT OF MY JEANS FAR ENOUGH TO CATCH UNDER MY RIDING JACKET AND THEN STUCK OUT LIKE A THIRD ARM. I DIDN'T NOTICE IT UNTIL WE ALL STOPED AT A GAS STATION AND THE OTHER 4 GUYS THAT WAS RIDING WITH US ASKED ME WHY I WAS CARRING A FIREARM. I TOLD THEM THAT I CARRIED JUST INCASE THINGS GOT OUT OF HAND. AFTER A COUPLE OF LAUGHS THEY STARTED ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW TO OBTAIN A CCW PERMIT AND THEY THOUGHT THAT IT WAS "COOL". THE REST OF THE RIDE WENT BY WITHOUT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR STARES. BUT I NOTICED THAT I DID GET A LITTLE MORE RESPECT FROM THEM. 
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In Arizona if it is posted on a private business, you still have to get "caught" and asked to leave.
This is mainly due to lack of any consistent postings. Like at the local mall there are signs on some doors and not on others, then some of the signs are in font 1 inch tall at the bottom of a glass door. In that case its going to be easy to show that you could have entered through an unmarked door or missed a sign. Not exactly the road I would choose to go, but a little defense if you need it. Its better to just not get caught. I was confronted by a rent a cop while carrying in the mall. He asked me what was under my shirt, gesturing to my gun side(you could not tell I was carrying). I informed him that if he had something to say, he needed to say it. He told me they got a complaint from the hallmark store that they saw my gun when I bent over(was picking up some kid's toy, didn't get shirt quick enough.) He then informed me I would have to take my gun back to my vehicle then I could continue shopping. I went quietly cause if you do get a violation here, you will loose your CCW. |
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I WAS CAUGHT ONCE WHILE I WAS CARRING MY FULL SIZE RUGER P89. I WAS RIDING MY ZX14 MOTORCYCLE WITH 2 FRIENDS AND THEN 4 OTHER GUYS STARTED RIDING WITH US. I WAS LEADING THE PACK WEARING BLUE JEANS , T SHIRT, AND MY RIDING JACKET. IT SEEMS THAT WHILE I WAS TURNING INTO A CURVE, THE GRIP TO MY RUGER STUCK OUT OF MY JEANS FAR ENOUGH TO CATCH UNDER MY RIDING JACKET AND THEN STUCK OUT LIKE A THIRD ARM. I DIDN'T NOTICE IT UNTIL WE ALL STOPED AT A GAS STATION AND THE OTHER 4 GUYS THAT WAS RIDING WITH US ASKED ME WHY I WAS CARRING A FIREARM. I TOLD THEM THAT I CARRIED JUST INCASE THINGS GOT OUT OF HAND. AFTER A COUPLE OF LAUGHS THEY STARTED ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW TO OBTAIN A CCW PERMIT AND THEY THOUGHT THAT IT WAS "COOL". THE REST OF THE RIDE WENT BY WITHOUT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR STARES. BUT I NOTICED THAT I DID GET A LITTLE MORE RESPECT FROM THEM. That's why I carry a gun... cause I want people to respect me. |