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Posted: 7/27/2005 8:42:40 AM EDT
Looking for some advice on 9mm ammo.

I need something for target practice and SHTF.

The practice ammo needs to be cheap so I can burn alot rounds but still have some accuracy, The SHTF ammo needs to ultra reliable, but not break the bank being I want to store alot bulk.
No real surprises there. BTW, this will be used for a Browning HP and a 9mm AR15 (colt style).

So what has worked well for the pack? Thanks
Link Posted: 7/27/2005 8:48:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/27/2005 8:50:23 AM EDT by sWs1]
I'm new to 9mm, myself. Maybe only a few months ahead of you. That being said, Federal has the "Personal" and "Premium" lines of pistol ammo that seems to hover under $20 /50rds. the Hi-shoks and HSTs come to mind.

Try here

...and here

HSTs rule
Link Posted: 7/27/2005 9:24:54 AM EDT
I use Wally World Winchester 100 pack for practice and Winchester Ranger T's for SHTF.

556man
Link Posted: 7/27/2005 9:33:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 556man:
I use Wally World Winchester 100 pack for practice and Winchester Ranger T's for SHTF.

556man



Does walmart sell the Ranger T's as well? If not, where can I find them? Online?
Link Posted: 7/27/2005 9:36:23 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/27/2005 9:41:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By sWs1:
Right here



Thanks, not as cheap as the white box stuff, huh?

Do you use the 127 or 147 grain? What are you feeding this to?
Link Posted: 7/27/2005 10:26:44 AM EDT
Winchester 127 grn +P+ HP
Link Posted: 7/27/2005 10:38:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Szurgot:

Originally Posted By sWs1:
Right here



Thanks, not as cheap as the white box stuff, huh?

Do you use the 127 or 147 grain? What are you feeding this to?



Heehee. The people ammo ain't the cheapest, no.

I've only got one box of 147 gr. to try. Here's my thoughts: Given how negligable the difference between 9, .40, and .45 can be these days with how far ammo technology has come, I couldn't possibly tell a difference between 124 and 147gr. I understand that point of impact vs point of aim can shift if you're coming from a lighter weight, but at 12 ft or whatever, you won't notice that either.

I own a Sig P239. It's a reltaively small gun with a 3.6in barrel. I feel comfortable putting just about any weight of quality HP through it, and I think everyone else should too. Shot placement above all else, but it does feel good to know that your ammo assists.
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 12:08:44 PM EDT
Gold Dot is right up there with the Winny. I prefer 147 grain but the 124+p has a strong following.
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 12:13:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/28/2005 12:15:15 PM EDT by BB]
Georgia Arms "Shear Power Plus"
Inexpensive, they have both carry ammo (gold dots) and practice ammo (FMJ), loaded to the same standards. Hell, the carry stuff is cheap enough to practice with! I've been using them for years, it's very high quality ammo.
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 4:51:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Szurgot:

Originally Posted By 556man:
I use Wally World Winchester 100 pack for practice and Winchester Ranger T's for SHTF.

556man



Does walmart sell the Ranger T's as well? If not, where can I find them? Online?



Walmart doesn't sell Ranger T's . I get my Ranger T's from a guy named Jerry Kirkpatrick. Great guy to deal with and here's his email jwkpatrick@yahoo.com .

556man
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 4:58:37 PM EDT
Go check out the ammoman.com

he has/had Nato 9MM USGI Ball - hot and kick ass.

comes in a neat ammo can as well.

Later,

Badredfish
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 5:46:49 AM EDT
There are two Speer Gold Dot 124 gr +Ps, one is 1150 fps and the other is 1220+ fps. I can't find the 1220+ fps which has better gel results than the 1150 fps.
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 6:35:02 AM EDT
I say again: Georgia Arms

G9MMH 124gr Hollow Point +P 396lbs 1200FPS 50/$12.50 100/$24.50 1000/$235.00
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 7:13:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By metroplex:
There are two Speer Gold Dot 124 gr +Ps, one is 1150 fps and the other is 1220+ fps. I can't find the 1220+ fps which has better gel results than the 1150 fps.



There is one Speer GD 124gr +P --------> 1220 from a 4" barrel (+ pressure, regular GD bullet)
There is one Speer GD/SB 124gr +P ----> 1150 from a 3.5" barrel (+ pressure, Short Barrel GD bullet)
There is one Speer GD 124 gr -----------> 1150 from a 4" barrel (std pressure, regular GD bullet)

The GD/SB is designed for shorter barrels. The bullet is different (lager cavity IIRC) than the regular GD loads. The 9mm GD/SB is new this year. AFAIK it hasn't been widely tested yet. What gel results are you refering to?
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 9:37:44 AM EDT
Practice: Whatever you can find the cheapest
Competition: American Eagle or Geco
Carry: Georgia Arms Shear Power Plus 124 +P
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 5:53:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Rose:

Originally Posted By metroplex:
There are two Speer Gold Dot 124 gr +Ps, one is 1150 fps and the other is 1220+ fps. I can't find the 1220+ fps which has better gel results than the 1150 fps.



There is one Speer GD 124gr +P --------> 1220 from a 4" barrel (+ pressure, regular GD bullet)
There is one Speer GD/SB 124gr +P ----> 1150 from a 3.5" barrel (+ pressure, Short Barrel GD bullet)
There is one Speer GD 124 gr -----------> 1150 from a 4" barrel (std pressure, regular GD bullet)

The GD/SB is designed for shorter barrels. The bullet is different (lager cavity IIRC) than the regular GD loads. The 9mm GD/SB is new this year. AFAIK it hasn't been widely tested yet. What gel results are you refering to?



Gelatin Test

I'm not sure how old it is.
I retabulated the results and limiting my searches to something that expands well and creates a large volume in the cloth + gelatin, and removing under/over penetration I get:

Winchester Ranger T 147 gr
Speer Gold Dot 147 gr
Speer Gold Dot +P 124 gr

I took out Rem Golden Sabre because its brass jacketed.
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 11:36:21 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 7:39:27 PM EDT
Gentlemen,

For bulk range ammo, check out Lancer Ammo in NC. You can get 1K 9mm FJ for $99. I have shot about 5K of their stuff without a hitch.

www.lancerammo.com

rgr9707
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 9:23:34 PM EDT
there is an ammo review thread somewhere on this site...can someone in the know find it for him?
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 12:52:48 PM EDT
I would research the use of +P+ 9mm in a Hi Power. I get the literature from Cylinder and Slide from time to time and he mentioned in one issue that he had repaired many HPs with frames damaged from shooting +Ps. Springs and bufffers might help, but you're talking +P+. If your High Power is considered "consumable" then no sweat. YMMV.
Link Posted: 8/19/2005 12:51:24 PM EDT
If you want some ranger T
I have some available right here

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=89&t=291106
Link Posted: 8/19/2005 3:05:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/19/2005 3:06:11 PM EDT by rockymtnhi]
target practice-CCI Blazer (aluminum case). Academy Sports sells it for $3.86/50rd box. www.academysports.com for a location near you...unless LA means los angeles, then just move.
Link Posted: 8/19/2005 4:57:14 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/25/2005 6:19:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By callgood:
I would research the use of +P+ 9mm in a Hi Power. I get the literature from Cylinder and Slide from time to time and he mentioned in one issue that he had repaired many HPs with frames damaged from shooting +Ps. Springs and bufffers might help, but you're talking +P+. If your High Power is considered "consumable" then no sweat. YMMV.



That is correct, HP's were not designed for a steady diet of +P loads. BUT, I do not see why you could not practice with the standard white box stuff, and then shoot off a few +p's to check feel and function. And then carry the +p: it doesn't matter what it can do to the pistol over the longer term if it saves your life right then. The spring and buffer advice should be well taken.
Link Posted: 8/25/2005 6:45:40 PM EDT
For practice, I recommend WOLF 9mm. If you buy in bulk or wait for a local shop to have a sale, you can probably find the stuff for well under $100 per thousand.
Link Posted: 8/25/2005 7:33:33 PM EDT
if you use the $20 off orders over $250 coupon found in the ak47 forum, you can get wolf 9mm for $94/1000 shipped from sportsmans guide if you buy 3000 rounds at a time.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 9:19:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By badredfish:
Go check out the ammoman.com

he has/had Nato 9MM USGI Ball - hot and kick ass.

comes in a neat ammo can as well.

Later,

Badredfish



I've been thinking about buying some of the NATO 9mm from ammoman, but I'd like to know what it is classified as ?

Is it just a little hotter than standard loads, or is it genuine " +P " ammo.

I e-mailed eric about it a while back with no response.

Does anyone know to what specs. the NATO 9mm is loaded to ?

I was thinking just +P.... any ideas ?
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