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Posted: 11/16/2008 3:51:22 PM EDT
9mm Luger- 115, 124, or 147 gr? Which do you prefer and why?
Link Posted: 11/16/2008 3:57:06 PM EDT
Originally Posted By savage_winchester:
9mm Luger- 115, 124, or 147 gr? Which do you prefer and why?


We are talking about self defense purposes? I like 124gr speer gold dots. Its what the Honolulu PD are issued and I like gold dots in general as self defense loads.
Link Posted: 11/16/2008 3:59:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Kymas23:
Originally Posted By savage_winchester:
9mm Luger- 115, 124, or 147 gr? Which do you prefer and why?


We are talking about self defense purposes? I like 124gr speer gold dots. Its what the Honolulu PD are issued and I like gold dots in general as self defense loads.



I've always used 115s but I was wondering what the advantages or disadvantages of each would be.
Link Posted: 11/16/2008 4:03:10 PM EDT
The heaviest possible grain projectile I can get and still feed reliably.

Yes, lighter projectiles have more energy, but they do not have the momentum to keep going as far into the target.

Remember, blood letting, incapacitation of the central nervous system, and getting to those vital organs stops those who wish harm - make sure your cartridge can go deep
Link Posted: 11/16/2008 4:03:46 PM EDT
124 +p Gold dots for me.
Link Posted: 11/16/2008 4:11:39 PM EDT
147 Gold Dot, Ranger or HST.
Link Posted: 11/16/2008 5:24:02 PM EDT
124gr +P Remington Golden Sabre in my XD.
Link Posted: 11/16/2008 5:44:45 PM EDT
Comfortable with any of those in a modern design.

Have seen tests where 147gr Gold Dots seem to expand somewhat more reliably through clothing than 124 gr. The authors of the tests theorized that the larger hollowpoint cavity could get more cloth plugged into it and still expand.

Link Posted: 11/16/2008 6:34:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By JohnRippert:
124gr +P Remington Golden Sabre Bonded in my XDG19.



The 124 gr. & 147 gr. penetrate more consistantly to the FBI standard of 12" - 18". Bonded ammo is even more consistant.
Link Posted: 11/16/2008 6:48:32 PM EDT
I use 147 grn Remington . Big and slow . Lower noise signature .
Link Posted: 11/16/2008 7:10:43 PM EDT
I like the cheapest one at any given time.
Link Posted: 11/16/2008 7:17:44 PM EDT
Overall I like 124gr. From my G26 I get much better follow-up shots than 147gr. From my longer 9mms 147s shoot just fine. I like to carry the heaviest round possible that is manageable. Not to say the 147s are too much , I just get easier control with the 124s in the G26. Practice ammo is easier to get cheaply too in 124 than 147. Speed vs. mass; the 124gr seems like the best of both....

-JC
Link Posted: 11/16/2008 8:06:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 87GN:
147 Gold Dot, Ranger or HST.



This.
Link Posted: 11/16/2008 8:10:21 PM EDT
124 gr, as that seems to shoot the best out of my 9mm carry guns (Walther PPS and a brace of BHPs). 115 doesn't group so well out of the BHPs (no real surprise given the twist rates), and the Walther doesn't really seem to like the 147gr.

So Federal HST Bonded for me.
Or Speer 124gr GDHP. No +p for me.
Link Posted: 11/16/2008 8:17:12 PM EDT
I also like the 147grn the best, it hits harder and is subsonic for use with suppressors.
Link Posted: 11/16/2008 9:23:20 PM EDT
124 gr double tap GD out of CZ 75.
Link Posted: 11/16/2008 9:29:43 PM EDT
115 to plink
147 for self defense
Link Posted: 11/16/2008 10:15:35 PM EDT
Winchester Ranger 124gr +P
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 2:54:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/17/2008 2:54:51 AM EDT by ikor]
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 5:30:08 AM EDT
115 gr cheap target rounds, I dont use my 9mm for home defense.
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 6:15:33 AM EDT
I've used almost exclusively 115s, but I think I'm going to switch to something heavier before I buy more 9mm.

I've never had a problem with 115s in my BHP or my SigP6, so I just kind of stuck with it.

Looks like there are a lot more options for effective hollow points in heavier bullets.
Thanks for all the info, fellas.
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 6:29:51 AM EDT
Depends on what I'm doing. If I'm just plinking around, I like 115 FMJ or remanufactured lead rounds. For target or training purposes, handloaded 125gr. lead Proofmark bullets. For self defense purposes or supressed shooting, 147gr. Ranger T for carry, cheapest FMJ I can find for supressed. I don't care for +P rounds at all. I find them to have more muzzle whip, which hurts follow-up shots. If you can find them, try to get a hold of some Israeli 158gr. 9mm. Those things are interesting. They have a very low noise signature and I find them to be very soft shooting. MJD
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 6:44:00 AM EDT
Range work I stick with 115gr TMJ or FMJ which ever is cheaper when I buy components. For HD I use 147 gr Gold Dot.
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 8:08:31 AM EDT
Range work/IDPA 115 or 124 plated. Whatever my reloading dealer has in stock when I buy. I've noticed no difference in reliabilty or accuracy. I avoid plain lead in 9mm, most seem to lead up the bore at 9mm velocity.

For hollow points I have very good luck with Remington 124 Golden Sabers.

In 147, well, never run 147. Can't help you on that.
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 8:48:19 AM EDT
Winchester Ranger 127gr +P+
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 8:59:55 AM EDT
147's cause 87GN told me to.
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 10:18:44 AM EDT
147 grn reloaded by me. Similar to the Atlanta Arms competition load.

Lowest recoil. Best accuracy, speed, and thus: score.
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:45:12 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ElIntocable:
Originally Posted By 87GN:
147 Gold Dot, Ranger or HST.



This.






+1



Terminal ballistics pass the test as far as I'm concerned. As per the ammo FAQ the 147s go deep enough and expand to a very respectable size. Works for me and arguably may over-penetrate a little less though that's probably splitting hairs


Somewhere on either the Winchester or Federal LE website I saw a statement that the 147s were better out of shorter barreled guns b/c of increased pressures behind the heavier round or something - I'm not too sure on the technical details but it sounded reasonable at the time


Subsonic = good for running a can


I could probably come up with more but I have shit to do today and have to stop posting on Arfcom...


Link Posted: 11/17/2008 3:02:26 PM EDT
I voted 124gr.
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 10:13:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/17/2008 10:15:59 PM EDT by contactcole2]
Originally Posted By jeep45238:
The heaviest possible grain projectile I can get and still feed reliably.

Yes, lighter projectiles have more energy, but they do not have the momentum to keep going as far into the target.

Remember, blood letting, incapacitation of the central nervous system, and getting to those vital organs stops those who wish harm - make sure your cartridge can go deep


For SD... what s/he said. Translation: 147gr
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:40:16 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 87GN:
147 Gold Dot, Ranger or HST.


This, and the reason is, I looked over the performance results real good.

Link Posted: 11/18/2008 1:58:44 AM EDT
I carry the Corbon DPX 115g +P. Although this 115g is a little different. Its the solid copper hollow point.
Link Posted: 11/18/2008 11:48:02 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Boru:
Originally Posted By 87GN:
147 Gold Dot, Ranger or HST.


This, and the reason is, I looked over the performance results real good.



Yep. All of the official testing I have read has revealed the 147grn to have the best penetration. Bonded core loads are even better if you want to shoot through barriers.
Link Posted: 11/18/2008 12:49:51 PM EDT
147gr Winchester Ranger Talon(RA9T)
Link Posted: 11/18/2008 2:10:38 PM EDT
Speer Gold Dot 124 +P
Link Posted: 11/18/2008 5:49:02 PM EDT
For target practice 115gr in my CZ75B, and 125gr in antique Lugers. The Lugers seem to need a bit more recoil to cycle the toggle reliably.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 1:42:50 AM EDT
124 grain seems to be the most accurate in most 9mm's- it is the standard load in most of europe where nearly all 9mm's are built/developed. In beretta's,sigs'glock and HK's I have found as far as accuracy is concerned 124 is "most liekly to succeed"I had the opportunity to ransom rest a bunch of rack issue military berettas and with the standard us issue ammo which is 124gr they averaged 2 inches at 25 yards- they chronographed at 1270 feet per second
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 2:54:58 AM EDT
In my Glock, which is for HD, 124gr +P Gold Dots.

The carry gun is a Kahr CW9.
Been carrying the big box 115 Remington jhp from Walmart, but will probably switch to the 147gr. Winchester jhp for better penetration.

For practice, they both get the Win. White Box from Wally World.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 8:20:30 AM EDT
Winchester Ranger SXT 147Gr 9x19mm

Link Posted: 11/19/2008 12:44:10 PM EDT
I voted 147 gn. I use the gold dots as well as the federal hydrashock. both great defensive rounds.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 2:21:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/19/2008 2:22:29 PM EDT by THUNDERKISS]
Hornady 147 gr. XTP JHPs.

Reliable expansion to 1.5x caliber, deep penetration (14"+) and wickedly accurate outta my Glock 17...

TK
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 5:15:08 PM EDT
Currently it's Speer GDs in 124+p flavor. As to why; I was able to buy a few cases of this stuff last summer for about $200/1000rds. Is it any better then the rest of the respected choices? I'd say no, but why pay more.

FB
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 9:14:35 PM EDT
Hornady 124gr TAP is my favorite, but I just got some Federal 115gr +P+ I'm excited to try.
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 4:36:14 AM EDT
147gr Winchester Ranger Talon RA9T



Ron
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 10:14:25 AM EDT
Remington 124 gr. +P.
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 7:39:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/20/2008 7:47:32 PM EDT by rotorblade]
As of right now corbon 115's. Back in the day the whole light fast and hot stuff corbons ruled Supposedly. Now im smarter and wiser.
When I get a 34 and break it in a new round will be bought for the 34 17 and wifes 19.
Probably a 124 or 147 bonded.
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