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5/22/2008 11:58:49 AM EDT
[#1]
www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=4&t=58257

It was the shooter's fault, not the pistol's.  He handloaded and blew it up.  There was and is no defect in the pistol's design.
5/22/2008 12:08:32 PM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=4&t=58257

It was the shooter's fault, not the pistol's.  He handloaded and blew it up.  There was and is no defect in the pistol's design.


Judging by the posts by people who had tried to get theirs to impact a primer with the slide out of battery (and failing), I agree.
5/22/2008 3:44:02 PM EDT
[#3]
The "kaboomee" used an incorrect bullet, marginal handloading equipment for a bottle necked case, and brass that was fired and sized multiple times.

A reciepe for disaster with the 5.7 x 28 cartridge.

This is clearly a case where the internet is not a good thing for the fire arms community.
5/22/2008 3:56:02 PM EDT
[#4]
Not saying the error wasn't his fault if that is indeed the case, but the gun can obviously fire out of battery.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jukArOoS2P0&feature=related
5/22/2008 4:05:41 PM EDT
[#5]
I saw his post, he reloaded ammo plain and simple. He claims he did everything within guidelines but his word against every one else. If it happened with factory ammo he may have a claim. But he fucked up his pistol and wants a refund what a tard.Know what your doing before jumping in. The specs he loaded from were from a " buddy " and specs were not SAAMI so he fucked up his gun and hand so live and learn.
5/22/2008 4:07:55 PM EDT
[#6]

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Not saying the error wasn't his fault if that is indeed the case, but the gun can obviously fire out of battery.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jukArOoS2P0&feature=related

It is not out of battery at that offset.  The barrel is still well against the breech block.
5/22/2008 4:08:29 PM EDT
[#7]
The funny thing is that FN is giving this guy a new free gun.  That'll teach em.
5/22/2008 4:11:40 PM EDT
[#8]

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Not saying the error wasn't his fault if that is indeed the case, but the gun can obviously fire out of battery.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jukArOoS2P0&feature=related


Without putting a primed case in there and checking for strikes, that video doesn't prove a thing.
5/22/2008 4:15:44 PM EDT
[#9]
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jukArOoS2P0&feature=related

5/22/2008 4:48:05 PM EDT
[#10]
The gun fired OOB in that video?
5/22/2008 6:26:44 PM EDT
[#11]
The FiveseveN is a blowback design.  The barrel and slide will move a considerable distance (compared to conventional pistols) and still be in battery.

The case failed in the neck area first.

All fault lies squarely on the poor choices of the pistol owner/reloader.

I don't know why it's so hard to see what happened here, and why so many people are so willing to blame the manufacturer.

The guy used a totally out of left field loading and blew up his pistol.

Move along, nothing more to see here.

5/22/2008 6:52:04 PM EDT
[#12]

Without putting a primed case in there and checking for strikes, that video doesn't prove a thing.


I honestly don't know if it's out of battery, but here you go.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=o5oaOaiSmGs&feature=related
5/23/2008 5:17:49 AM EDT
[#13]

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Without putting a primed case in there and checking for strikes, that video doesn't prove a thing.


I honestly don't know if it's out of battery, but here you go.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=o5oaOaiSmGs&feature=related


I didn't see any evidence of the firing pin hitting the primer.
5/23/2008 2:52:39 PM EDT
[#14]

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Without putting a primed case in there and checking for strikes, that video doesn't prove a thing.


I honestly don't know if it's out of battery, but here you go.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=o5oaOaiSmGs&feature=related


I didn't see any evidence of the firing pin hitting the primer.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T_XQFzCyR8&feature=related
5/23/2008 4:45:11 PM EDT
[#15]
Handloading isn't difficult, but it does require some dedication, knowledge and common sense if you want to do it safely.  He failed on all three counts.  He's lucky he's still got 10 fingers and 2 eyes.
5/23/2008 9:06:36 PM EDT
[#16]

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Without putting a primed case in there and checking for strikes, that video doesn't prove a thing.


I honestly don't know if it's out of battery, but here you go.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=o5oaOaiSmGs&feature=related


I didn't see any evidence of the firing pin hitting the primer.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T_XQFzCyR8&feature=related


I think I'm missing something here?  Where exactly do you see firing pin hitting primer?
5/23/2008 9:38:14 PM EDT
[#17]

The "kaboomee" used an incorrect bullet,  


That same bullet is loaded by FN.  How could it possibly be incorrect?

He may indeed have used an incorrect powder charge, or loaded to an incorrect length.  But the bullet was of the correct diameter, and construction.  Identical to a bullet loaded and sold by FN.  Identical to a bullet which I have also loaded and fired many times without problem.

The 55 grain FMJ may not be the best choice for the 5.7, but loaded properly, it is not dangerous.  There was certainly nothing wrong with his choice of bullet.
5/23/2008 10:01:07 PM EDT
[#18]
Seriously?

#  Harkey Malarkey Says:
May 23rd, 2008 at 5:00 pm

Here’s how we solve part of the nation’s crime problem. We don’t ban guns, we ban the CLEANING of guns. We all know that if guns are banned then only criminals would have guns. Well, that argument easily extends that if you ban cleaning of guns then only criminals won’t clean their guns. If criminals don’t clean their guns then they will have a bullet fired into their hand. This necessitates a trip to the ER at which point they will be arrested, as this type of injury would be indirect admission of their criminality.
5/23/2008 11:10:10 PM EDT
[#19]

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The "kaboomee" used an incorrect bullet,  


That same bullet is loaded by FN.  How could it possibly be incorrect?

He may indeed have used an incorrect powder charge, or loaded to an incorrect length.  But the bullet was of the correct diameter, and construction.  Identical to a bullet loaded and sold by FN.  Identical to a bullet which I have also loaded and fired many times without problem.

The 55 grain FMJ may not be the best choice for the 5.7, but loaded properly, it is not dangerous.  There was certainly nothing wrong with his choice of bullet.


If you read the other thread that is linked to he tells the bullet and powder he was using.  Follow the link to the powder manufacturers load data and tell me where you see any load data for that particular bullet.  There isn't any.
http://www.ramshot.com/powders/loadguide/2007/5.7x28FN%20vs%20Ramshot%20only.pdf
5/24/2008 10:00:32 AM EDT
[#20]
You guys who are blaming the re-loader:  You do know that there have been at least 3 reported cases of a PS90 KBing using SS197SR factory 5.7x28 ammo, right?

I am not saying that there was not a problem with the reload, I an just informing you that there have been more reported KBs using factory ammo then reported KBs using reloaded ammo...
5/24/2008 10:16:30 AM EDT
[#21]

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You guys who are blaming the re-loader:  You do know that there have been at least 3 reported cases of a PS90 KBing using SS197SR factory 5.7x28 ammo, right?

I am not saying that there was not a problem with the reload, I an just informing you that there have been more reported KBs using factory ammo then reported KBs using reloaded ammo...

link?
5/24/2008 10:19:17 AM EDT
[#22]

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You guys who are blaming the re-loader:  You do know that there have been at least 3 reported cases of a PS90 KBing using SS197SR factory 5.7x28 ammo, right?

I am not saying that there was not a problem with the reload, I an just informing you that there have been more reported KBs using factory ammo then reported KBs using reloaded ammo...


I've seen more bad ammo come out of a factory box than what comes out of the reusable boxes I store my reloads in.
5/24/2008 4:50:04 PM EDT
[#23]

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Without putting a primed case in there and checking for strikes, that video doesn't prove a thing.


I honestly don't know if it's out of battery, but here you go.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=o5oaOaiSmGs&feature=related


I didn't see any evidence of the firing pin hitting the primer.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T_XQFzCyR8&feature=related


I think I'm missing something here?  Where exactly do you see firing pin hitting primer?


Turn on the sound. He does hit a live primer in that video.
5/24/2008 5:03:02 PM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:

Quoted:

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Without putting a primed case in there and checking for strikes, that video doesn't prove a thing.


I honestly don't know if it's out of battery, but here you go.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=o5oaOaiSmGs&feature=related


I didn't see any evidence of the firing pin hitting the primer.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T_XQFzCyR8&feature=related

I'm so glad he measured that with calipers because we know that his hand had an iron grip and couldn't have moved the slide back and/or forth before or during the measurement.
7/14/2008 4:07:38 AM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:
You guys who are blaming the re-loader:  You do know that there have been at least 3 reported cases of a PS90 KBing using SS197SR factory 5.7x28 ammo, right?

I am not saying that there was not a problem with the reload, I an just informing you that there have been more reported KBs using factory ammo then reported KBs using reloaded ammo...


I've been following all the FN forums for a couple of years (I own a couple of USG's & PS90's) and I've yet to hear of a PS90 KB. Link to the 3 you allude to above, please? In this particular case FN was able to duplicate the damage, a double charge of powder was to blame.
Tomac
7/15/2008 2:46:16 AM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:
You guys who are blaming the re-loader:  You do know that there have been at least 3 reported cases of a PS90 KBing using SS197SR factory 5.7x28 ammo, right?

I am not saying that there was not a problem with the reload, I an just informing you that there have been more reported KBs using factory ammo then reported KBs using reloaded ammo...


Even if true, what does that have to do with this Five-seveN?

It was thoroughly hashed out here, scientific analysis determined kabooomee to be an idiot.