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Posted: 9/10/2004 2:29:20 PM EST
I'm looking for something cool looking, fun to shoot, and cheap, with readily available high capacity magazines. It doesn’t have to be especially accurate or reliable, just along is it hits the target most of the time I pull the trigger it should be ok. The Calico m105 looks cool, are they any good?
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 2:30:47 PM EST
Calico sucks ass. Just buy a UZI. You can get a Vector for around 600 bucks and mags are plentiful 9mm is cheap. And the Vector is a pretty decent gun. I bought 10 of them just to hold onto for future sale...
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 2:34:53 PM EST
AR
Beretta Storm!
Ruger Camp 9 (if you can find one)
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 2:35:45 PM EST
I know that you can get 9mm uppers for the Ar-15, I just dont know where the best place to find them would be.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 2:37:28 PM EST
hipoint 9mm $150, good trunk gun
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 2:37:56 PM EST

Originally Posted By atomicferret:
I know that you can get 9mm uppers for the Ar-15, I just dont know where the best place to find them would be.



bushmaster.com
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 2:38:37 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 2:41:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
9mm upper? Rock River Arms



Yep, pretty much your only choice.

www.adcofirearms.com/rockriver/rra9mm.cfm?page=rra for the best prices.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 2:42:30 PM EST
Anyone make a 10mm upper?
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 2:42:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/10/2004 2:43:57 PM EST by napalm113]

Originally Posted By napalm113:
I'm looking for something cool looking, fun to shoot, and CHEAP

Link Posted: 9/10/2004 2:43:56 PM EST

Originally Posted By GUNGUY1911:
AR
Beretta Storm!
Ruger Marlin Camp 9 (if you can find one)



Fixed it for ya.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 2:44:39 PM EST
tommy guns
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 2:44:45 PM EST
UZI does it.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 2:44:45 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/10/2004 2:45:10 PM EST by ar50troll]

Originally Posted By napalm113:

Originally Posted By napalm113:
I'm looking for something cool looking, fun to shoot, and CHEAP




600 for an UZI is cheap Is it not? And it's a real gun. Not a Hi Point or .22
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 2:48:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By napalm113:
I'm looking for something cool looking, fun to shoot, and cheap



Kel-Tec Sub2000.

Link Posted: 9/10/2004 2:49:05 PM EST
good for an uzi, but I was hopeing for something around $200-$400. ill get one eventualy, just not know, to fill this billit. Those CX4's look good, but cost too much for me at the presant time.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 2:51:10 PM EST

Originally Posted By 2A373:

Originally Posted By GUNGUY1911:
AR
Beretta Storm!
Ruger Marlin Camp 9 (if you can find one)



Fixed it for ya.

Duh! Thanks! Iwas thinking of that Ugly Ruger PC9 or whatever and meaning to put in the Camp 9, which btw is an excellent pistol cal carbine. I wish I would have never sold my Camp.45 either!
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 2:51:24 PM EST

Originally Posted By TheCynic:

Originally Posted By napalm113:
I'm looking for something cool looking, fun to shoot, and cheap



Kel-Tec Sub2000.




Ive looked at those, good reviews online, bad reviews from real people. realy just the company in general.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 2:51:42 PM EST

Originally Posted By TheCynic:

Originally Posted By napalm113:
I'm looking for something cool looking, fun to shoot, and cheap



Kel-Tec Sub2000.



Again
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 2:52:53 PM EST

Originally Posted By GUNGUY1911:

Originally Posted By 2A373:

Originally Posted By GUNGUY1911:
AR
Beretta Storm!
Ruger Marlin Camp 9 (if you can find one)



Fixed it for ya.

Duh! Thanks! Iwas thinking of that Ugly Ruger PC9 or whatever and meaning to put in the Camp 9, which btw is an excellent pistol cal carbine. I wish I would have never sold my Camp.45 either!



I won't let my Camp 45 go if I can help it. I just love it.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 2:55:43 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 2:56:49 PM EST
Do the rra 9mm carbines take the socom blocks for sten mags?
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 2:59:06 PM EST
a sub 2000 wont be to bad once i put a scope mount on it and replace the front sight with a car15 flash supressor, and add a bayonet lug, and a 33 rounf magazine. and a laser, and cd player, and a microwave...
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 3:00:57 PM EST
Uzi Carbine in 45ACP, you can get it from the nieghborhood ice cream truck.

Sorry, couldn't help it.

Seriously,
IMI the original makers of the Uzi and Action Arms, Phila Penn, imported the 45 ACP conversion kit, comes with one 15 round mag, barrel, bolt. Takes 30 secs to convert from 9mm Para to 45ACP. The 45 makes some pretty impressive holes, and recoils a tad more than the 9mm Para.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 3:02:28 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 3:03:20 PM EST

Originally Posted By raf:
FA weapons aside, never saw a SA-only Pistol caliber carbine worth the money. Whatever it costs, most likely the money would be better spent elsewhere. YMMV.



? Opinions being what they are I guess...
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 3:04:44 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 3:09:49 PM EST
as much as I would like to buy another deadly high powered child-killing assault rifle, i dont have the cash. I live in a country where people honor their service men by driving around with tattered american flags attached to their car doors for a month, not by giveing us pay raises or more than a 10% discount at some retailers.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 3:15:16 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 3:19:45 PM EST
the RUGER PC9 is my 1st choice in a 9mm carbine, it is the most practical 9mm carbine, a semi-auto UZI or AR 9mm wouldnt shoot any better than a PC9, they just cost more and look more evil
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 3:26:21 PM EST
Marlin camp carbine

Uzi if you have the bucks
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 4:46:03 PM EST
do they make a gun with 2 folding stocks? cuz that would be cool!
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 4:48:21 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 4:57:15 PM EST
I think that a carbine caliber pistol holds more appeal than a pistol caliber carbine. Think Krinkov or OA93 pistol. 50oz pistol rule dies with the rest of AWB94. I have an OA93 upper on order
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 5:00:47 PM EST
would it be legal to make a thompson m1 carbine into an SBR and register it as a pistol?
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 5:29:03 PM EST
At under 140 bucks, it's a no-brainer...



(Oh wait, you said 'cool-looking'... Sorry, but 'cool-looking' costs you $300 extra...)
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 5:32:21 PM EST

would it be legal to make a thompson m1 carbine into an SBR and register it as a pistol?


I believe that if it's an SBR it cannot be a pistol. To be a pistol I think you'd have to remove the stock. I may be mistaken on this...
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 5:32:23 PM EST
CX4 Storm !
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 5:35:00 PM EST

Originally Posted By skid2964:
CX4 Storm !



+1

It's really the only pistol caliber carbine worth having!
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 5:45:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By skid2964:
CX4 Storm !



+1

It's really the only pistol caliber carbine worth having!

+2

Link Posted: 9/10/2004 5:47:35 PM EST

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
Do the rra 9mm carbines take the socom blocks for sten mags?



No, the RRA uppers are Colt style 9mm uppers and the socom mag block is for the Olympic style 9mm upper.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 6:13:58 PM EST

Originally Posted By napalm113:
would it be legal to make a thompson m1 carbine into an SBR and register it as a pistol?



If you cut the barrel back below 16" it must be registered as SBR(BEFORE YOU BOB IT). Once a butt stock has been affixed it is always a rifle, sbr or not.You can not build a pistol on a rifle receiver(but you can build a rifle on a pistol receiver.There is no such thing as "register" as a pistol unless you are a manufacturer in which case your product may be "classified" or "logged" as a pistol. I f you had a new stripped Thompson receiver that had never been assembled as a rifle(butt stock installed) you could build a new pistol from it. No vertical fore grips on pistols. Vert. f/g=AOW. AOW must be registered like SBR (PRIOR TO THE ALTERATION).

SEE STANDARD LEGAL DISCLAIMER BELOW

I am not a lawyer nor an authority on these matters. These opinions are how I interpret the law. Do your own research before assembling or modifying any firearms.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 6:16:20 PM EST
Model 92 Winchester replica in .45 Colt. A natual hitter and a ball to shoot. It only takes about 5.5 grains of HP38 to reload it and the bullets are cheap.
Link Posted: 9/11/2004 6:56:13 AM EST
do they make a folding stock and forward grip for the hi point? how about some 30 rounders?
Link Posted: 9/11/2004 7:05:22 AM EST
Could someone give me a quick rundown on the CX Storm?

I'd like to know what makes this such a great carbine and what it's advantages are vs a 9mm AR carbine.

Thanks!
Link Posted: 9/11/2004 7:18:34 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/11/2004 7:20:22 AM EST by cookie]
Is there any other choice?



UZI Talk
Link Posted: 9/11/2004 7:34:58 AM EST
First choice (based on cost) would be the Uzi...Second choice an actual Colt 9mm...
Link Posted: 9/11/2004 8:02:10 AM EST

Originally Posted By napalm113:
I'm looking for something cool looking, fun to shoot, and cheap, with readily available high capacity magazines. It doesn’t have to be especially accurate or reliable, just along is it hits the target most of the time I pull the trigger it should be ok. The Calico m105 looks cool, are they any good?



Olympic Arms pistol-cal AR (or just the upper, they work on standard .223 lowers, a/o RRA/Colt units that need special hammers)...

Not cheap, but everything else on your list...

Then again, neither is an UZI...

Beretta Storm?

Then again, mags are easier to find for the AR carbine (use sten mags)...
Link Posted: 9/11/2004 10:12:45 AM EST
Another vote for the Winchester Rifle......can be had in almost any pistol caliber, fun deadly accurate, and cheap.

if your talking semi-auto.....Colt 9mm AR15....this is AR15.com after all...


Pilk
Link Posted: 9/11/2004 1:42:13 PM EST
hows this? at a local pawn shop I found a post ban universal m1 carbine for $240. Ive never seen an m1 for under $400 befor so Im not sure whats wrong with it. it was obviously used, but i cocked it a few times and it seemed to slide smoothly.

would a short bbled uzi with the stock pinned colapsed be legal if it was registered as a pistol?
Link Posted: 9/11/2004 4:08:21 PM EST
The Marlin Camp Carbines are discontinued but great little guns. I have a Camp 45, which take 1911 mags. It's reliable and quite accurate. The Camp 9s take S&W 59xx series mags which are plentiful and cheap. Note: the Marlins come from the factory with recoil springs that are too light, at only 11 lbs. If you get a Marlin put in a Wolff 16 lb. spring and blast away.

Leverguns in .357 Magnum are great, too. The .357 gets more out of being fired from a rifle length tube than rounds like 9mm or .45, which don't gain much MV. Out of a rifle, the .357 can push a 158 grain bullet at about 1800 fps, or a 125 grainer to over 2000 fps. Recoil and muzzle blast are mild from a rifle. I have an EMF/Rossi 1892 Short Rifle in .357 which has a slick action and is accurate out to 50 yards (the furthest I've shot it). Super fun gun.
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