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Posted: 8/21/2017 2:11:54 PM EDT
my wife is likely getting a promotion at work and will need to ferry clients/potential clients around so i'll need to replace her 5yr old expedition with something nicer

it's between a tahoe and another expedition

problem being is that the gov't stepped in and fucked everything up so neither has an engine option i actually want.  one has a goddamned v6 and the other is a v8 only when it isn't a fucking v4

i think the ford looks better inside and out but i'm torn.  what i want is a damned big block but nooooooooooooooo, they put those out to pasture even in full sized trucks (which she doesn't want, i offered to just buy her a crewcab diesel)

thoughts on their powertrains?
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 2:15:58 PM EDT
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Tahoe plus Range AFM (disables V4 mode)
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 2:16:53 PM EDT
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 Solution is obvious:
 Turbocharge the V8
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 2:17:33 PM EDT
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my wife is likely getting a promotion at work and will need to ferry clients/potential clients around so i'll need to replace her 5yr old expedition with something nicer

it's between a tahoe and another expedition

problem being is that the gov't stepped in and fucked everything up so neither has an engine option i actually want.  one has a goddamned v6 and the other is a v8 only when it isn't a fucking v4

i think the ford looks better inside and out but i'm torn.  what i want is a damned big block but nooooooooooooooo, they put those out to pasture even in full sized trucks (which she doesn't want, i offered to just buy her a crewcab diesel)

thoughts on their powertrains?
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The 5.3 in the tahoe is a real V8, it only hits V4 mode on the highway, with a tail wind. 
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 2:19:53 PM EDT
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Turbos will spoil you.  The torque is fantastic, but the new 5.3s aren't too shabby either.  Expedition will probably ride better, doesn't it have a IRS?
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 2:22:49 PM EDT
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This is what you seek.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 2:26:27 PM EDT
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 Installing a turbocharger on a Tahoe is  cheap, easy, and will make as much horspower as any  street legal  tires can  stand.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 2:27:26 PM EDT
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2018 Expedition with the 3.5 EB and 10 speed
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 2:28:12 PM EDT
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You said it's for your wife to shuttle people around but then YOU want a big block. Is this vehicle for you or your wife?  Is the company paying her mileage?  If not then why do you want a v8 and why would the people she is shuttling around care?
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 2:28:51 PM EDT
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... get the new Ram. With the 100,000 warranty, you're worry free
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 2:29:51 PM EDT
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Turbos will spoil you.  The torque is fantastic, but the new 5.3s aren't too shabby either.  Expedition will probably ride better, doesn't it have a IRS?  
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Expedition is IRS and it is a very nice ride on twisty roads.  I can't keep up with the wife's when I'm following her somewhere in my 2WD F150 on wide, low profile tires.  The Expedition simply goes through corners that a live axle F150 has the rear end start moving around in.  And the Expedition rides smoothly on the beat up roads here in PA, too.

I'm in the same boat as you, looking ahead for when the wife's 2011 will need replacing in a couple of years.  The 5.4 in hers is strong enough and I wish Ford did offer a 5.0 in the new Expeditions.  But I'm warming up to the 3.5EB as they're getting a successful track record behind them.  I think the 2018 getting the new 10-speed automatic might make the EB engine even more attractive by being able to keep the engine at peak power by using the additional gears.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 2:31:19 PM EDT
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This
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 2:33:42 PM EDT
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I wasn't really a fan of V6's until I had a work van with an ecoboost. That was a rocket! This is a large company with probably close to 100 vans, and they have switched most of their fleet over to ecoboost transits now. I'm sure they wouldn't do that unless they were pretty reliable.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 2:35:31 PM EDT
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have you seen the '18 expedition?  what i said about the expedition looking better than the tahoe had nothing to do with the '18 model, they out uglied the tahoe and then put a fucking dial for the transmission

Link Posted: 8/21/2017 2:38:35 PM EDT
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You said it's for your wife to shuttle people around but then YOU want a big block. Is this vehicle for you or your wife?  Is the company paying her mileage?  If not then why do you want a v8 and why would the people she is shuttling around care?
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why do you need anything besides a 10/22 and a .38?

because i'm a car guy and i'll buy what the fuck i want, that way i'll be happy.  if it starts and goes, she'll be happy.  voila, everybody is happy and nobody has to put up with a bitchmobile sitting in the driveway

speaking of bitchmobiles, there are only FIVE fucking 4wd expeditions within 100 miles of me
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 2:39:38 PM EDT
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have you seen the '18 expedition?  what i said about the expedition looking better than the tahoe had nothing to do with the '18 model, they out uglied the tahoe and then put a fucking dial for the transmission

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have you seen the '18 expedition?  what i said about the expedition looking better than the tahoe had nothing to do with the '18 model, they out uglied the tahoe and then put a fucking dial for the transmission

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zrcuRq_W7nA/WJz0nysNn3I/AAAAAAASW4U/IMa5UywWGmkX_Kp3d7O-aSOKOgrP2khSQCLcB/s1600/2018Ford-1555.jpg
That color and wheels look like ass but I like it overall.  YMMV.  Why not a 2018 Tahoe RST?  6.2L V8.

RST
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 2:41:17 PM EDT
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have you seen the '18 expedition?  what i said about the expedition looking better than the tahoe had nothing to do with the '18 model, they out uglied the tahoe and then put a fucking dial for the transmission

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zrcuRq_W7nA/WJz0nysNn3I/AAAAAAASW4U/IMa5UywWGmkX_Kp3d7O-aSOKOgrP2khSQCLcB/s1600/2018Ford-1555.jpg
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Haha that looks like the explorers fatter, uglier sister. Gross.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 2:42:08 PM EDT
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have you seen the '18 expedition?  what i said about the expedition looking better than the tahoe had nothing to do with the '18 model, they out uglied the tahoe and then put a fucking dial for the transmission

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I have driven many vehicles with this (BMW, Mini's).  It isn't that bad once you get used to it.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 2:45:29 PM EDT
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Sequoia

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have you seen the '18 expedition?  what i said about the expedition looking better than the tahoe had nothing to do with the '18 model, they out uglied the tahoe and then put a fucking dial for the transmission

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zrcuRq_W7nA/WJz0nysNn3I/AAAAAAASW4U/IMa5UywWGmkX_Kp3d7O-aSOKOgrP2khSQCLcB/s1600/2018Ford-1555.jpg
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I warmed up to the dial in my Fusion quickly enough - it does simplify the console area and provide better access to storage. I haven't seen what they did with the Expedition for 18, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's better for most people.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 2:46:52 PM EDT
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That color and wheels look like ass but I like it overall.  YMMV.  Why not a 2018 Tahoe RST?  6.2L V8.

RST
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i like it, assuming you can kill the cylinder deactivation on it

i don't like that they're figuring  it'll sticker around $70,000

honestly my favorite thing on any of these so far has been ford's $7,750 incentive on the expedition.  i'm one of arfcom's poorer millionaires
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 2:48:03 PM EDT
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Do NOT get the Tahoe with the 3.08 gears.  Chevy website shows 3.42 available, 3.73 would be better.  The 3.08 is sweet on the interstate where RPMs are high enough that it gets in the power band.

Wife drives a K1500 Suburban w/ 3.08 and it is terrible around town.  I have to keep it in haul mode to make it shift at higher RPM or it lugs badly.

I have had no problems with the AFM.  Make sure you use a good oil.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 2:49:05 PM EDT
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why do you need anything besides a 10/22 and a .38?

because i'm a car guy and i'll buy what the fuck i want, that way i'll be happy.  if it starts and goes, she'll be happy.  voila, everybody is happy and nobody has to put up with a bitchmobile sitting in the driveway

speaking of bitchmobiles, there are only FIVE fucking 4wd expeditions within 100 miles of me
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You said it's for your wife to shuttle people around but then YOU want a big block. Is this vehicle for you or your wife?  Is the company paying her mileage?  If not then why do you want a v8 and why would the people she is shuttling around care?
why do you need anything besides a 10/22 and a .38?

because i'm a car guy and i'll buy what the fuck i want, that way i'll be happy.  if it starts and goes, she'll be happy.  voila, everybody is happy and nobody has to put up with a bitchmobile sitting in the driveway

speaking of bitchmobiles, there are only FIVE fucking 4wd expeditions within 100 miles of me
Then Just say it's your vehicle and stop with the wife BS.  Get the turbo v6 and get over it.  It will make as much power as a v8.  If you were really a car guy you'd know this. 
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 2:51:54 PM EDT
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The new Lincoln Navigator will have the same v6 TT motor that the Raptor has. That's over 450hp...
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 2:52:00 PM EDT
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With 5.7V8 + Magnuson (or TRD if you can find one) Supercharger. 504hp / 550tq.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 2:53:32 PM EDT
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Do NOT get the Tahoe with the 3.08 gears.  Chevy website shows 3.42 available, 3.73 would be better.  The 3.08 is sweet on the interstate where RPMs are high enough that it gets in the power band.

Wife drives a K1500 Suburban w/ 3.08 and it is terrible around town.  I have to keep it in haul mode to make it shift at higher RPM or it lugs badly.

I have had no problems with the AFM.  Make sure you use a good oil.
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i want an xlt with 4wd, 3.73, powerfold mirrors and nav.  that's it.  that's fucking unicorn territory it would seem.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 2:55:46 PM EDT
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Then Just say it's your vehicle and stop with the wife BS.  Get the turbo v6 and get over it.  It will make as much power as a v8.  If you were really a car guy you'd know this. 
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they were great in grand nationals

but i'd just as soon have a v8 option in a full size suv, thanks anyway
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 2:55:47 PM EDT
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Expedition

Real fold flat seats > Chebby alternative.
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With 5.7V8 + Magnuson (or TRD if you can find one) Supercharger. 504hp / 550tq.
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she'll be coming from a 5.4 so anything i choose will be a sporty motherfucker, comparatively
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 2:58:01 PM EDT
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i want an xlt with 4wd, 3.73, powerfold mirrors and nav.  that's it.  that's fucking unicorn territory it would seem.
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Do NOT get the Tahoe with the 3.08 gears.  Chevy website shows 3.42 available, 3.73 would be better.  The 3.08 is sweet on the interstate where RPMs are high enough that it gets in the power band.

Wife drives a K1500 Suburban w/ 3.08 and it is terrible around town.  I have to keep it in haul mode to make it shift at higher RPM or it lugs badly.

I have had no problems with the AFM.  Make sure you use a good oil.
i want an xlt with 4wd, 3.73, powerfold mirrors and nav.  that's it.  that's fucking unicorn territory it would seem.
I hear you.  My current F150 is a 5.0 SCREW 4WD with the offroad pkg and locking rear.  Best truck I have ever had.  Has the 3.55 gears.  Prefer the wife's Sub for road trips on the interstate, though it does just fine.

ASFAIK, you cannot get the 6.2 or the 3.73 gears from Chevy/GMC w/o going RST or Denali.  Dammit.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 3:47:56 PM EDT
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You can still get a healthy 6.2 V8 in an Escalade.  Not sure why the Tahoe/Subs only give you the baby 5.3 unless you can find a RST with the 6.2 but thats going to be pricey.   The GMC Denali also has the 6.2 available.  If you want to try Dodge, the Durango has 2 V8 choices, same with the Jeep GC.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 3:52:01 PM EDT
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You can get the 6.2 on anything now just have to pay.  Go with that.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 3:53:31 PM EDT
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I'm sure the displacement on demand can be disabled easily.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 4:09:40 PM EDT
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Get your old car detailed and save some money.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 4:14:19 PM EDT
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Maaaan I thought this was gonna be a Turbo Buick thread........... I am disappoint.

I"ll save you OP,

Link Posted: 8/21/2017 4:17:15 PM EDT
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3.5EB > 5.3

3.5EB = 6.2 (or at least pretty close)

At least as far as motor goes, I'd take a 3.5EB Expedition over a 5.3 Suburban every time.  I'm not as sure about the 3.5EB versus the 6.2 GM V8, but I think for use here at 5k+ altitude I'd still take the ecoboost.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 4:23:11 PM EDT
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Why would you disable the cylinder saver crap? Its literally imperceptible.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 4:27:09 PM EDT
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6.2 in Denali over EB all day. Proven motor design . Show me 10's of thousands EB vehi led with over 200K miles and I will change my opinion.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 4:55:36 PM EDT
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Why would you disable the cylinder saver crap? Its literally imperceptible.
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For reliability.  Because the cylinders that are turned off sometimes carbon foul, lose compression, increase oil consumption.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 8:52:30 PM EDT
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Let's buy a SUV that costs as much as a small house and then promptly void the warranty by modding it...
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 8:55:22 PM EDT
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... get the new Ram. With the 100,000 warranty, you're worry free
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It may have a 100k warranty but it is not worry free.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 9:09:51 PM EDT
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they were great in grand nationals

but i'd just as soon have a v8 option in a full size suv, thanks anyway
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Then Just say it's your vehicle and stop with the wife BS.  Get the turbo v6 and get over it.  It will make as much power as a v8.  If you were really a car guy you'd know this. 
they were great in grand nationals

but i'd just as soon have a v8 option in a full size suv, thanks anyway
Tag line and screen name are appropriate.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 9:21:34 PM EDT
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have you seen the '18 expedition?  what i said about the expedition looking better than the tahoe had nothing to do with the '18 model, they out uglied the tahoe and then put a fucking dial for the transmission

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zrcuRq_W7nA/WJz0nysNn3I/AAAAAAASW4U/IMa5UywWGmkX_Kp3d7O-aSOKOgrP2khSQCLcB/s1600/2018Ford-1555.jpg
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That is hideous.

I don't like the look of all the new Fords.  I can't tell the difference between the Ford and GM pickups without looking for a few second.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 9:36:41 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/21/2017 10:39:49 PM EDT
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There is no replacement for displacement in the end but if a smaller engine comes with FI from the factory vs. an NA V8 that will need FI to keep up Ill take the smaller FI engine all day as its upgrade path to make more power is much cheaper.

My car puts down over 500hp to the crank and almost 600 torque, comes with a 6sp manual, RWD and is sexy as fuck.

Cheap as hell also if you can replace fluids yourself and turn a wrench here and there.

Of course if you want to put down 1000hp this mindset changes but seriously is 500hp all that bad for a daily?
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 10:42:05 PM EDT
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You'll need it.....the warranty that is
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 11:31:00 PM EDT
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That color and wheels look like ass but I like it overall.  YMMV.  Why not a 2018 Tahoe RST?  6.2L V8.

RST
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2018 Expedition with the 3.5 EB and 10 speed
have you seen the '18 expedition?  what i said about the expedition looking better than the tahoe had nothing to do with the '18 model, they out uglied the tahoe and then put a fucking dial for the transmission

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zrcuRq_W7nA/WJz0nysNn3I/AAAAAAASW4U/IMa5UywWGmkX_Kp3d7O-aSOKOgrP2khSQCLcB/s1600/2018Ford-1555.jpg
That color and wheels look like ass but I like it overall.  YMMV.  Why not a 2018 Tahoe RST?  6.2L V8.

RST
This.  It will be my next Company car.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:05:29 AM EDT
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Let's buy a SUV that costs as much as a small house and then promptly void the warranty by modding it...
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Go be poor in your $45k home and 20 year old Honda Civic.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:15:39 AM EDT
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have you seen the '18 expedition?  what i said about the expedition looking better than the tahoe had nothing to do with the '18 model, they out uglied the tahoe and then put a fucking dial for the transmission

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zrcuRq_W7nA/WJz0nysNn3I/AAAAAAASW4U/IMa5UywWGmkX_Kp3d7O-aSOKOgrP2khSQCLcB/s1600/2018Ford-1555.jpg
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the expedition had to go low-profile.  the tall stance of the old one killed the mileage.  when the newer tahoes/suburbans came out with the 6-speed, they were getting close to 17-18mpg with 4-5 people plus gear in them over a week of driving.  the old expeditions with the v8s would be lucky to break 15mpg.  once the ecoboost expeditions hit the rental fleets, they were able to get closer to the tahoe/suburban numbers, plus the torque comes on at like 1400rpm where it should be.  with the new 10-speed and better aero, i'd expect to see closer to 20mpg out of the expeditions.  

the older tahoe/subs got similar highway mileage but chevy took way to long to ditch the 4 speed autos, pulling onto the highway was a PITA, run first up to like 40, then fall on its face and come on the power again around 55.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 9:07:32 AM EDT
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Let's buy a SUV that costs as much as a small house and then promptly void the warranty by modding it...
Go be poor in your $45k home and 20 year old Honda Civic.
Says the guy without a membership...





Link Posted: 8/22/2017 9:13:34 AM EDT
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Sounds like you want a lot of iron to burn a lot of gasoline, and don't care about engine power or performance.

Does Harley Davidson make a large SUV?

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