Posted: 6/7/2005 3:57:54 PM EDT
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ok so i was given a conditional offer of employemnt for a federal agency and they had me fill out form 85P it says that some investigations will include an interview give me some info on this, does this mean im getting hooked up to the poly?? It isnt an agency that is known for giving poly's and no one has mentioned a poly. ETA: if you have never gone through this process please do not speculate |
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When I applied to CIA, they told me point-blank a polygraph would be performed. If anyone has reason to hide it, they would. They are pretty up-front about such things. If you havben't heard anything, chances are they don't. I hated that fucking thing! Talk about a major headjob! 
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+1 If there will be a polygraph they will let you know up front. If you don't have to take a ploygraph, then your security clearance / job position isn't all that secret squirrel. |
Well, permit me to ask you why? If it's because it's a miserable experience, just go and do it. It's supposed to be miserable. If you're hiding something, then don't. You'll fail just from being nervous, let alone what you're hiding. I think the machine is just a prop. It's the scumbag with the pen making you sweat who's the REAL machine. |
Go to the Qualifications and Evaluations of the job announcement. It's usually a lifestyle poly. Keep in mind it uses the word "MAY" require poly as indicated in red below: QUALIFICATIONS REQUIRED: All eligibility and qualification requirements must be met by the closing date of this announcement. Applicants must meet the following qualification requirements: One year of specialized experience that is typically in or related to the work of the position being filled. This experience must have been at least equivalent to the next lower grade level in the normal line or progression of the occupation in the organization. To qualify for the GG-12, this experience must be equivalent to the GG-11 level. To qualify for the GG-11, this experience must be equivalent to the GG-09 level. You must be a U.S. citizen to qualify for this position. You must submit to a drug test and receive a negative drug test before you can be appointed into this position. This position is subject to the Department of Defense Priority Placement Program. VETERANS' PREFERENCE: Non-Federal applicants will be provided Veteran's Preference. Supporting documentation will be requested prior to any final job offer. Documentation includes the DD-214 showing type of discharge, dates of service and campaign badges received. Applicants claiming 10-point preference will require a SF-15, Application for 10-Point Veteran's Preference, with applicable supporting documents, as noted on the form. Information on Veteran's Preference is available in the VetGuide which can be accessed electronically at the United States Office of Personnel Management OPM website www.opm.gov or www.dol.gov/dol/vets. BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION: Selectee must complete a Special Background investigation and receive a favorable adjudication by a determining authority. Must be eligible for a Top Secret Clearance and access to Sensitive Compartmented Information. POLYGRAPH EXAMINATION: Selectee may be required to successfully complete a polygraph examination. A tentative offer of employment will be rescinded if the selectee fails to report to any of the scheduled appointments, fails the medical/agility/drug test, lacks the certification requirements, or is unable to obtain a security clearance. NO PCS HOW YOU WILL BE EVALUATED: Top Resumes are evaluated by an automated system (RESUMIX) that matches the skills extracted from the candidate's resume to the skills identified for the position. In addition, other requirements (i.e. education, area of consideration, specialized experience, etc.) must be met to determine the qualified candidates referred to the Selecting Official for consideration. |
well they state that they do an "investigation" and they say they "may interview" its not like NSA or anything its a financial position. I think they more want to determine if I will take a bribe, I'll have control over a lot of money in a round about way although not a cash type of way. its not a secret job at all. |
Well either way, like I said, good luck, I hope you get the position. |
ok, good info. They say may interview on my stuff, my basic question is whether or not that means may interview or may drill and poly? also what do you think about just asking my regional at the agency if they poly or not? would they think i must be hiding something? also its not a super secret agency or anything they already have given me an EOD date. I dont even understand how they already gave me an offer and an EOD and reserved hotels, flights etc. and then they send me the questions although i already did the much quicker less in depth one on the first interview |
Because everybody knows that if it were a sensitive position you would have filled out a standard form 86, not an 85. 
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whatever, Im not trying to act like im splinter cell or anything I'm a damn finance guy so chill ETA oooh im so jealous im not a super secret squirel |
sounds good, they arent gonna spring it on me? sneaky bastages that they are. so you think the interview thing means just sitting down talking to someone without a machine? why do a background check when they could just poly me? |
You're nervous in the service. Take a breather and relax. You've got nothing to worry about. |
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I have already seen posts to this thread that speculate or take a black and white approach to your question. While many positions will disclose the Poly requirement in advance, the employer or client CAN change this requirement at any time - especially if/when the requirements of the position change. And the specific security requirements of positions change ALL THE TIME. I placed 62 staff in positions with a client and within 60 days the client increased the clearance requirements on over 60 percent of those staff - about 4-5 up to Polys. Why? Because the nature of the project changed - happens all the time. Never make a false statement on your security application or related paperwork. Ever. Don't ever assume they won't find out. I know a person who had the most extensive background investigations - a number of them in fact. He had a highly successful career. Then one day on short notice he needed to take a Poly due to a promotion. He voluntarily admitted that he had lied on one question for all his investigations. He was terminated from the government AND lost all of his clearances for lying. The odd thing was that if he had been truthful from the start they would have forgiven the issue (they do for others). Be truthful - don't assume you can "slide by" with an issue. The harder you work and the more successfdul you become the worse it would be. Do the right thing - whatever that is. CWO |
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My clearance called for me to fill out the SF-86 15 page form and go through an interview, but no polygraph. I believe that because my clearance is only 'confidential', that I did not have to take th poly. But, should I get asked to work on a different project such as the USS peanut, I would probably have to go the extra mile to get secret or top secret clearance depending on which parts of the boat I worked on. Chris |
+ 1 You really need to be hiding something and FEEL GUILTY about it to fail a poly. They are no big deal, unless you are licking frogs, doing shrooms, and have dead hookers in your closet....  
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so if this were a problem are you saying id pass if i take the hookers out and put them somewhere else?? |
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FWIW, Pretty much everyone in the military gets at least a "Secret" clearance.. They hand 'em out like candy.  Now, I realize you aren't military, but a federal background investigation is pretty much standard. I believe it'll go back roughly the last 7 years of your life (Top Secret I think is 10 years). Bring your address book, you'll need it. You'll also need numerous references that can verify where you lived/worked during that time. Bring past employment information as well (former bosses/supervisors, addresses, phone numbers). Be as detailed as possible. If you had any civil affairs, bring as much paperwork on it as you can. Just 'cause its expunged doesn't mean they won't find out about it-they will! Bottom line: DON'T LIE ABOUT ANYTHING! If unsure, tell 'em. The interview is nothing to get worked up over. Just relax and be honest, you'll be fine. If you have any questions, you can IM me. Post #100 Edit: Grammar (and its probably still wrong!) |
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Just being a smartass. Guess the smiley didn't give me away enough. Like the other guys said, tell the truth and there shouldn't be any trouble. Heck, one of the guys on my crew was a young hellraiser. He had to explain some explosive violations and such, and he still got his secret. |
Or if you were a sociopath. I hear they can pass a poly without a problem. |
Relax. Easy for you to say. I still get nervous when I'm interviewing for someone else's clearance. Something about being across the desk from the DSS guy. |
I didnt notice a smiley but I got a ton of paperwork for this job and the issue im asking about is a very minute but stressful part of it , but the smart ass part was obvious. Thanks for later giving something useful.
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Oh boy where to begin. I'll tell you this now because I'm old and tired and I've seen many good men not get a job because of a shady past. Men that could have made a difference to this geat Nation. Most strong men I've know through the years are men of character and that includes flaws. I cant reveal too much but I will tell you this. If you have to lie about something for which there is no proof of. DO IT! I'm not talking about things that can be confirmed through paperwork. I'm talking about "other" stuff. >Have you slept with a hooker? NO! . I dont care if you have. Just lie. >Have you done drugs? NO! NO NO >Do you gamble? NO NO NO >At some point you will be asked about what illegal activities you have done. ALWAYS SAY NONE! Do not be shocked when someone keeps coming into the room to tell you that you're being deceptive on these questions. Stick to your answers and say NO! Tell then them you're nervous. He will come in a couple of times. Finally you will be told that you will NOT get the job unless you start telling the truth. Dont fall for it...its their job to do this. Never admit toanything; I PROMISE YOU, IT WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU. |
was that a joke?? |
Not a joke my friend...not a joke |
I hope so. When I got my origional clearance (a low one) it was little more than whay you get when you buy a new gun. When I got mine upgraded they interviewed EVERYONE. The people I put as personal referances, old bosses, and people that I had NOT told them I knew. They talked to people and asked them who you hung out with, then they talked to them, etc, etc. If you are concerned with something you did in your youthful years I would reccomend that you be truthful and not deceptive. That doesn't mean you should volunteer anything that isn't on the form or that they ask you for. Let me know if there's anything more I can help you with and soon enough you will be able to say "You can trust me, I'm with the government." |
I'm not exactly sure of what part you didnt understand from "dont admit to anything there is no proof of." Clearly & without question, if by talking to your friends and co-works they can find out about past behaviour ....then by all means dont be deceptive. I'm talking about things that cannot be verified by ANYONE. Ok, let me repeat myself.....ANYONE. And you will be asked about general law breaking.....but what the hell do I know. Its not like I have any experience in what im talking about. Right? Good night, I'm going to bed. I have to take part in Gallant Fox III tomorrow. |
well if i lose the job now im pissed but i could easily get another job and never really even have to list this job as employment, but if I try to get around something it could screw me later and make it so I wont go for an advance or worse bite me in the ass and then I have a termination on me as well as no job. I planned on being honest about everything and will do so. |
I don't think he's getting a TS, and I don't think he's getting an SCI. So, I would say he probably isn't getting a poly.  About lying to the security folks, let me tell you this. Don't do it man. Sounds like you have the right idea and will tell the truth. I've done some stupid things (in college of course, but who hasn't, right?). But I told them what I did and was upfront. No big deal. They understand we're all humans, and we've probably had some lapses in judgement, at least once. They're pretty forgiving (as long as its not a felony), but they have to know about it FIRST. Admitting your mistakes (if you've had any) takes courage and is usually a sign that you although you made a bad decision, you still have the character and integrity to admit you fouled up. If you withhold even the slightest wrong doing, and they find out about it, who's to say you aren't witholding something worse. Now you not only have a bad past, but apparently you haven't changed to this day. They won't be pleased, and you won't have a job anymore. And lying on federal papers is also a bad move, be prepared for possible legal action. Your new job will be in a financial position, right? And I'm guessing you'll be working with large sums of money? Money that isn't yours? Therefore they need responsible AND trustworthy individuals on their side. Just don't lie and everyone will be happy. |
hated the polygraph. I had nothing to hide and I hated it. |