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Posted: 10/18/2004 3:01:47 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/18/2004 3:02:11 AM EST by Cleatus]
was on the tele last nite, never seen it before- kinda strange- but I liked it- kinda los me at the VERY end though- it was pretty late....
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 3:02:23 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/18/2004 3:02:53 AM EST by DoubleFeed]
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 3:03:38 AM EST
Lol, that was a quick edit from "Cockwork"
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 3:04:17 AM EST
It's a pretty cool flick for it's time.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 3:04:23 AM EST
freudian slip?
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 3:04:29 AM EST
Read the book if you really want a challenge.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 3:04:37 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 3:04:55 AM EST


"No time for the old in-out, love, I've just come to read the meter."
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 3:04:57 AM EST
Saw it years ago. You need to really drunk or stoned to understand that movie. Hell I was drunk and still couldn't understand it.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 3:07:06 AM EST
i enjoyed it actually- lots of nekid scenes but the very ending "yep, I am cured" (more nekid), was confusing. How was he cured, why?
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 3:14:37 AM EST
Its actually a brilliant comment on western society as a whole and how people are treated. Is Roddys character a victim of a cold society or is society the victim. Who is to blame and what can we do to fix it. Beyond the outward violence and sex there significant thought in the movie. Unlike the fat fucker moore that uses the one sided sledgehammer lying approach.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 3:15:34 AM EST

Originally Posted By KA3B:
Read the book if you really want a challenge.



Great book! Be careful if you buy a used copy, most have the glossary of the Nadsat words ripped out. Without it, it's a pointless read. Burgess did a hell of a job with that, one of my favorite works of fiction.

BTW, the English (Original) and American (Movie Adapted) versions are different. There is an additional chapter at the end of the English version which shows Alex growing bored with his life of violence and strating to reform himself (Burgess was a devout Catholic). Kubrick pulled that part out so it would end with Alex returing joyfully to his violent "natural" state, which fit in better with his secular outlook.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 3:17:10 AM EST
I fuckin love that movie.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 3:18:09 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/18/2004 3:18:44 AM EST by Jeepster]

Originally Posted By Cleatus:
i enjoyed it actually- lots of nekid scenes but the very ending "yep, I am cured" (more nekid), was confusing. How was he cured, why?



He was 'cured' because he returned to his 'natural' state instead of the programed 'goodness' the government essentially tortured into him.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 3:18:50 AM EST
cult classic no doubt
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 3:20:06 AM EST
"Time to get ready for a little bit o' the old ultra violence."

I've never seen such a unique rendition of "Singing in the Rain" as I did in that movie.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 3:23:24 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 3:26:04 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/18/2004 3:27:15 AM EST by Cleatus]

Originally Posted By Jeepster:

Originally Posted By Cleatus:
i enjoyed it actually- lots of nekid scenes but the very ending "yep, I am cured" (more nekid), was confusing. How was he cured, why?



He was 'cured' because he returned to his 'natural' state instead of the programed 'goodness' the government essentially tortured into him.




ok but what "cured " him?

maybe I am trying to read into this too much...

Who was the writer guy he runs into at the end- did he know who he was and try to torture him with the music from downstarirs?
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 3:27:03 AM EST
It predicted alot of trends that are common now:
All criminals are poor misunderstood individuals.
Self-defense, in England, is more criminal than criminal acts.
Random hooking up means nothing. (Alex in the music store)
Gangs are more family than family.

Kubrik was always just a little ahead of others, and his movies pulled no punches.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 3:39:31 AM EST

Originally Posted By Cleatus:

Originally Posted By Jeepster:

Originally Posted By Cleatus:
i enjoyed it actually- lots of nekid scenes but the very ending "yep, I am cured" (more nekid), was confusing. How was he cured, why?



He was 'cured' because he returned to his 'natural' state instead of the programed 'goodness' the government essentially tortured into him.




ok but what "cured " him?

maybe I am trying to read into this too much...

Who was the writer guy he runs into at the end- did he know who he was and try to torture him with the music from downstarirs?



You really need to read the book, all questions answered.

You don't know who the writer was? Were you drunk or did you miss the first half of the movie?
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 3:43:54 AM EST
missed the first 1/3
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 3:48:53 AM EST
You really have to read the book.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 4:25:58 AM EST
"I got a pain in me Gulliver."
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 4:31:27 AM EST

Originally Posted By Fuzzybunny:
It predicted alot of trends that are common now:
All criminals are poor misunderstood individuals.
Self-defense, in England, is more criminal than criminal acts.
Random hooking up means nothing. (Alex in the music store)
Gangs are more family than family.

Kubrik was always just a little ahead of others, and his movies pulled no punches.



Bingo.

There has been a socialist pacifism slide in effect for decades in GB. A Clockwork Orange is a commentary about the effects of re-programming people into non-violent pacifists.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 4:32:05 AM EST

Originally Posted By MDC85:
I fuckin love that movie.


+1
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 4:57:25 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/18/2004 4:58:08 AM EST by gamesniper]
HUGE social staement in the movie, but I'll also forward the motion that the book needs to be read to fully understand the movie.

The movie was made in an era when movies made after books usually closely followed the book, unlike the trash out of Hollyweird that uses tha name of the book and the movie is nothing like it (re: Sum of all Fears).

ETA: One of my alltime favorites, along with most other Kubrick films. Got a DVD of it in my collection.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 5:03:17 AM EST
Read the book.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 5:03:41 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/18/2004 5:04:38 AM EST by California_Kid]
Sometimes I think present reality is a blend of A Clockwork Orange, Bladerunner, and Demolition Man.


Read the book.


+1 - I've seen the movie about 20 times and read the book five or six. Great book.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 5:15:51 AM EST
What's the matter, you can't go for " a bit of the old ultra-violence?" what about "a bit of the old in-out-in-out?" I love that movie, although I still don't truly understand it...
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 5:46:27 AM EST

Originally Posted By Bailey:
Read the book.



+1

Both are excellent.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 5:48:12 AM EST
Read the book.....in the typical Kubric fashion the transfer is terrible. It's filmed in pan and scan and the audio is mono .


Waste of time on a decent system.

Bomber
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 6:03:04 AM EST

O my brothers, as I sat in the Koruva milk bar I began to get in the mood for a little bit of the old ultra violence. Me plot was all tingly like, and up for to see the beautiful red koruva flowing all wobbily jobbily.


Viddy well, my brothers, viddy well.



Zen


"This is my ultra violence, there are many like it, but this one is mine"
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 6:14:57 AM EST
yes it is
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 6:34:21 AM EST

Originally Posted By thebomber:
Read the book.....in the typical Kubric fashion the transfer is terrible. It's filmed in pan and scan and the audio is mono .


Waste of time on a decent system.

Bomber



just a tech question...how can it be "filmed" in pan and scan? I think he used an aspect ratio of 1.33:1, which by design may fit the 4:3 tv screen better...but the actual term pan and scan is a process done to larger aspect ratio formats to produce a showable image in 4:3. (I hope this question makes sense lol).

Link Posted: 10/18/2004 6:40:29 AM EST
Very good movie, Great book/
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 12:32:40 PM EST
The odd slang they use throughout the book and the movie is just Russian corrupted to an easier English pronouniciation. I guess he recognized that Russian communism was making pretty good inroads into England. If you understand Russian, you can follow the movie terminology pretty well. If you don't, you may need to watch it a few times before you pick it up through context.

Definitely a disturbing movie in a lot of different ways...
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 12:38:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By Fenian:

Originally Posted By thebomber:
Read the book.....in the typical Kubric fashion the transfer is terrible. It's filmed in pan and scan and the audio is mono .


Waste of time on a decent system.

Bomber



just a tech question...how can it be "filmed" in pan and scan? I think he used an aspect ratio of 1.33:1, which by design may fit the 4:3 tv screen better...but the actual term pan and scan is a process done to larger aspect ratio formats to produce a showable image in 4:3. (I hope this question makes sense lol).




Technically you're right but pan and scan is also widely used to refer to to 4:3 format in general. Kubrick filmed with an original aspect ratio of 4:3 and used mono audio . The point I was trying to make is if you have a widescreen format TV or Projector , then you may be disappointed to see the grey bars on the sides. In addition, there will be a loss of resolution due to the non-anomorphic nature of the DVD. As far as the sound quality.....it ain't DTS.

Bomber

Bomber
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 12:48:22 PM EST
www.visual-memory.co.uk/amk/doc/interview.aco.html

Have fun. The irony of the main character's new position after rehab is interesting.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 1:07:23 PM EST
Kind of freaked me out the first time I saw it as well; great movie, though.

"what we were after now was the old surprise visit, that was a
real kick and good for laughs and lashing of the ultra-violent"
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 1:20:45 PM EST
I don't think they show the un-cut version anymore. The un-cut version is really strange.

Colt_SBR
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 1:23:53 PM EST
'..............Im singing in the rain Whoop Singing in the rain kick


LoL..I luv that movie.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 1:44:22 PM EST
The author was amazingly accurate in predicting the direction society was taking.

All too many of the the youth today seem to be striving to achieve the degenerate, animal state depicted in that book.

Regards,
Mild Bill

In other words, "What is this world coming to?" or "In my day -----".
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 2:03:49 PM EST
...."As we walked along the flatblock marina, i was calm on the outside but thinking all the time. So it was to be Georgie the general saying what we should do and what not to do and Dim as his mindless grinning bulldog. But suddenly I viddied that thinking was for the gloopy ones and the oomny ones used like inspiration and what Bog sends. Well now, it was lovely music that came to my aid. There was a window open with the stereo on and I viddied right at once what to do"......



...."The Durango-95 purred away real horrorshow - a nice, warm, vibraty feeling all through your guttiwuts. Soon, it was trees and dark, my brothers, with real country dark. We fillied around for a while with other travellers of the night, playing hogs of the road. Then we headed west, what we were after now was the old surprise visit. That was a real kick and good for laughs and lashings of the old ultra-violence....."


....." We were all feeling a bit shagged and fagged and fashed, it having been an evening of some small energy expenditure, O my brothers. So we got rid of the auto and stopped off at the Korova for a nightcap....."
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 7:54:02 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/18/2004 7:57:07 PM EST by azexarms]
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 8:15:03 PM EST
And today's quiz...

Who did the Writer's bodyguard go on to play?

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<­BR>

An­swer: DARTH VADER

(the actor: Dave Prowse a famous bodybuiler in England at the time))
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 8:16:35 PM EST
My droogs and I say viddy the flick, but read the fucking book, by Anthony Burgess.


Most who saw just the movie don't understand that the title refers to what the govt. turned him into by the brainwashing.

Amazingly well done film, but as some have said....ahead of it's time.


Cheers

Now to get my cuttrhroat britva and head out..
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 8:17:06 PM EST
A Clockwork Orange, is my favorite movie. Stanley Kubrick is a genious.

Link Posted: 10/18/2004 8:31:34 PM EST
A Glockwork Orange....A story about a guy that had around the Glock protection.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 9:52:35 PM EST
Originally that movie recieved an 'X' rating. No kiddies allowed to see it. But back then Hollywood was'nt geared towards the under 12 set. But most kids in the UK (no rating system) saw it. The following summer was filled with kids arrested for trying to do what was in the movie. (no shit) Plus at that time "deep throat" was really popular, so going to see an X film was considered "hip". In fact a large amount of the film went on to become pop culture as it spawned "punk rock" themes, Not big here in the states but in Europe it was everywhere. Wearing white outfits, jockstraps and Combat boots (Combat boots is still big with the Skinheads) was standard fare. And kids actually learned to use the "dialect" in the movie to talk to eachother. definately one of the great "cultural" movies of our day. In New york city their is even a Korova Milk bar. Velocet , Synthemesc and who can forget the ol' Molacco plus!
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 7:22:46 PM EST

Originally Posted By azexarms:
It's a true classic.

Kubric was way ahead of his time.

It is interesting to note that the girls at the record store were about 10 years old in the book, and didn't take kindly to Alex's "in and out" attentions. Unlike the randy hyperspeed 3some we see in the movie.

To answer the original poster's question. Alex's fall from the 2nd floor building and subsequent head trauma is what "cured" him and made him the person he once was (we are allowed to assume from his demeanor, since he does no raping and pillaging at the end of the film) with his narcissim, self-absorption and crudeness.

I think it is much the same was what is going on here. Youths just packed fulla "self-esteem" which they have not earned through anything except BEING. The social engineers have made it this way. A generation of soulless "feel goods" who seem to expect the best of everything, with the minimum possible investment of themselves.

I think it amazing, that this movie was filmed when I was 1 year old, yet there are still some very shocking images in it. I also find it fascinating that Kubric is able to manipulate the audience into feeling pity for this "Clockwork Orange", a natural (supposedly) looking being with mechanical innards.

Actually, I still admire Kubric for taking a wonton killer/rapist/thief and making us feel sorry for him.

D.
AZEX





Sorry dude but you are wrong. Alex's fall did not cure him at all.

After his condition was leaked to the press, the polititians had the doctors fix him so they could make political fodder of him.

And you aren't supposed to feel sorry for alex. He is an animal. That was not kubricks intention nor the books intention.

Zen



"This is my rifle, there are many like it, but this one is mine"
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 7:25:15 PM EST

Originally Posted By grywlf52:
Saw it years ago. You need to really drunk or stoned to understand that movie. Hell I was drunk and still couldn't understand it.

+1
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