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Posted: 8/31/2005 2:57:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/31/2005 3:06:35 PM EDT by mobius]
just interested in seeing how many people here want to see the US gov't step in and dictate what gas and oil prices should be.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 2:59:00 PM EDT
Not I.

Break up monopolies and collusion is as far as I will tolerate government interference.

Atlanta is going to run out of gas thanks the the formerly Republican, now Communist, governor of Georgia.

Link Posted: 8/31/2005 2:59:48 PM EDT
My guess is more than one might expect on a predominantly "conservative" forum.

Tagged, anyway.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 2:59:50 PM EDT
GW has already suspended all federal fuel blend requirements.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 3:00:02 PM EDT
How here I want not them to.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 3:00:02 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 3:00:11 PM EDT
Stay the fuck out! Don't need them in anymore things! Nothing good has ever come from them getting in the middle.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 3:00:25 PM EDT
You know that got to be the weakest troll I have seen here in all my years...
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 3:00:55 PM EDT
If anything the gov't should deregulate fuel production and get rid of taxes on gasoline.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 3:01:24 PM EDT
communism is bad.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 3:02:30 PM EDT
If they do that, we will have gasoline shortages.

Link Posted: 8/31/2005 3:02:39 PM EDT
If the US would upgrade the refining in country, we wouldn't be so dependant on foreign supplies.

AB
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 3:05:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By raven:
If anything the gov't should deregulate fuel production and get rid of taxes on gasoline.



Aaak no! You know darn well that this is the order of things:

Gas price is $3.50/gallon including $0.50/gallon tax (example)

Government eliminates $0.50/gallon tax completely to ease burden on citizens.

Less than 1/1000th of a second later, every single gas suppier bumps gas price by $0.50/gallon because consumers were already paying that much, and whatever they were willing to pay yesterday they will pay today (corporate logic).

Two weeks (months, whatever) later, Government can't fulfill its duties without the tax. So government replaces the $0.50/gallon tax and gas is--you guessed it, $4.00/gallon.

Corporations will swoop in and suck any "relief" away from the consumers as increased profit.

Jim
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 3:05:43 PM EDT
Its already happened here in GA.

GA Declares State of Emergency
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 3:06:18 PM EDT
The surest way to make a commodity scarce is for the government to cap the price.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 3:08:03 PM EDT
When has government regulation ever helped?
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 3:09:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KS_Physicist:

Originally Posted By raven:
If anything the gov't should deregulate fuel production and get rid of taxes on gasoline.



Aaak no! You know darn well that this is the order of things:

Gas price is $3.50/gallon including $0.50/gallon tax (example)

Government eliminates $0.50/gallon tax completely to ease burden on citizens.

Less than 1/1000th of a second later, every single gas suppier bumps gas price by $0.50/gallon because consumers were already paying that much, and whatever they were willing to pay yesterday they will pay today (corporate logic).




Nope! One company sees the benefit in offering the same gas for 50 cents cheaper than everybody else. Everybody buys their gas. Other companies are forced to follow suit.

Ain't the free market great?
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 3:11:29 PM EDT
It's government interference that brought this situation about. A bunch of phony mpoliticians catered to a bunch of stupid hippies over the years, so now we haven't the refining capacity. One can't predict the specifics of storms, but one can be certain they will come. Build more refineries, both to deal with the normally rising demand, and to spread the physical risk. But, noooooo, a bunch of hippies runs around with signs, and the politicians cater to them and crow how they are pro environment. Unless they can wave a magic wand so we can all levitate and fly, STFU!
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 3:16:19 PM EDT
Uncap all those Texas wells they shut down years ago .......
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 3:17:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mobius:
just interested in seeing how many people here want to see the US gov't step in and dictate what gas and oil prices should be.



No. If we let them control one thing related to the economy like that, they will simply find another excuse to try to control another. We've seen this in the past.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 3:18:15 PM EDT
add a poll
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 3:18:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KS_Physicist:

Originally Posted By raven:
If anything the gov't should deregulate fuel production and get rid of taxes on gasoline.



Aaak no! You know darn well that this is the order of things:

Gas price is $3.50/gallon including $0.50/gallon tax (example)

Government eliminates $0.50/gallon tax completely to ease burden on citizens.

Less than 1/1000th of a second later, every single gas suppier bumps gas price by $0.50/gallon because consumers were already paying that much, and whatever they were willing to pay yesterday they will pay today (corporate logic).

Two weeks (months, whatever) later, Government can't fulfill its duties without the tax. So government replaces the $0.50/gallon tax and gas is--you guessed it, $4.00/gallon.

Corporations will swoop in and suck any "relief" away from the consumers as increased profit.

Jim



Are you familiar with the concept of competition?
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 3:22:30 PM EDT
I am losing so much per week due to the high gas prices. My customers will feel it next billing cycle.

The pain cometh.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 3:22:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SubnetMask:

Originally Posted By KS_Physicist:

Originally Posted By raven:
If anything the gov't should deregulate fuel production and get rid of taxes on gasoline.



Aaak no! You know darn well that this is the order of things:

Gas price is $3.50/gallon including $0.50/gallon tax (example)

Government eliminates $0.50/gallon tax completely to ease burden on citizens.

Less than 1/1000th of a second later, every single gas suppier bumps gas price by $0.50/gallon because consumers were already paying that much, and whatever they were willing to pay yesterday they will pay today (corporate logic).




Nope! One company sees the benefit in offering the same gas for 50 cents cheaper than everybody else. Everybody buys their gas. Other companies are forced to follow suit.

Ain't the free market great?



It isn't happening now, what magical force do you think will make it happen then?

It's rare that any gas station is more than a few cents one way or the other of any other local gas station. The prices almost never migrate down, they migrate up. If they cared about having the lowest prices, you'd see ads about how one station/company has a lower price...

Jim
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 3:24:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By raven:

Originally Posted By KS_Physicist:

Originally Posted By raven:
If anything the gov't should deregulate fuel production and get rid of taxes on gasoline.



Aaak no! You know darn well that this is the order of things:

Gas price is $3.50/gallon including $0.50/gallon tax (example)

Government eliminates $0.50/gallon tax completely to ease burden on citizens.

Less than 1/1000th of a second later, every single gas suppier bumps gas price by $0.50/gallon because consumers were already paying that much, and whatever they were willing to pay yesterday they will pay today (corporate logic).

Two weeks (months, whatever) later, Government can't fulfill its duties without the tax. So government replaces the $0.50/gallon tax and gas is--you guessed it, $4.00/gallon.

Corporations will swoop in and suck any "relief" away from the consumers as increased profit.

Jim



Are you familiar with the concept of competition?



yeah, simple freshmen econ, supply curve, demand curve, taxes shift curves, etc.

Link Posted: 8/31/2005 3:25:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/31/2005 3:26:17 PM EDT by st0newall]
NEVER. Except in true national emergencies.. WWII was last such as far as i am concerned.

is time to get off the international oil tit.. letting prices drive the market will do this.. people will adjust, companies will inovate....

no pain no gain..
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 3:26:36 PM EDT
DEAR GOD NO!!!

In some providences China has price control.
They have shortages that make what we're gonna have pale by comparison.

Oil is a WORLD MARKET COMMODITY. If region A sets price controls, the corporations will sell to region B,C,D etc etc ad nausea.....

Price controls are the surest way to bring about shortages.

That said, I *would* like to see government tax incentives for more fuel efficient vehicles, more government spending on developing our own resources (Be they renewbale or non renewable) so we can tell OPEC to kiss our white (Or black, tan, green or whatever other color of ass we have in America) ass and sell cheap fuel to American's.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 3:26:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By raven:

Originally Posted By KS_Physicist:

Originally Posted By raven:
If anything the gov't should deregulate fuel production and get rid of taxes on gasoline.



Aaak no! You know darn well that this is the order of things:

Gas price is $3.50/gallon including $0.50/gallon tax (example)

Government eliminates $0.50/gallon tax completely to ease burden on citizens.

Less than 1/1000th of a second later, every single gas suppier bumps gas price by $0.50/gallon because consumers were already paying that much, and whatever they were willing to pay yesterday they will pay today (corporate logic).

Two weeks (months, whatever) later, Government can't fulfill its duties without the tax. So government replaces the $0.50/gallon tax and gas is--you guessed it, $4.00/gallon.

Corporations will swoop in and suck any "relief" away from the consumers as increased profit.

Jim



Are you familiar with the concept of competition?



Absolutely. Are you familiar with the concept of a breakdown of competition?

The system doesn't work well, it just works better than the other options most of the time.

Jim
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 3:28:13 PM EDT
Wonder how long Hawaii will hang on to their utopian pipe dream of the state mandidate wholesale 'gas price cap' before they either collapse or rescend the idea?????

Link Posted: 8/31/2005 3:30:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By albob:
If the US would upgrade the refining in country, we wouldn't be so dependant on foreign supplies.

AB



Yeah, I don't want them to "regulate"... however I wouldn't OBJECT to them building a damn REFINERY!!! (Or 3). IMO, THAT and letting the suppliers of oil "get away with" the prices THEY are currently receiving, (Need to put pressure on them by threatening LARGE quantities of $$ going to developing "alternative sources" if they don't LOWER prices FAST) are the 2 biggest problems right now.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 3:34:05 PM EDT
Since we as taxpayers already subsidize the living hell out of the oil industry, it would be nice of them to not skullfuck us at every opportunity.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 3:37:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/31/2005 3:39:06 PM EDT by Sub-MOA]
Refined unleaded gas is selling for $2.29 right now on the commodity markets.

Add in the Fed and State tax... $2.80
Add in shipping .... ... ... ... ... $2.90

Normal profit is about .02 on gas. They sell it to get you to buy other shit.

Add in profit margin... ... ... ... $2.95


Give it +/- .02 for shipping distance var

Gas should cost about... $2.89 - $3.01
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I bought 12 gal. today @ $2.79

hmmmmmmm
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