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Posted: 7/17/2001 11:03:28 AM EST
Hi All Add "Google" search engine to the anti-gun crowd. If you are so inclined, let them know your displeasure if you. I sell Dillon loading presses through my website [url]www.eguns.com[/url] . That is all I sell. I am not an FFL and do not trade at all in firearms. I was trying to use Google's AdWords ads to see if I can increase my business. This is the response I got from them "...please know that we do not allow advertisements for the sale of guns or related products." This was a direct mail from their support team when I inquired why I had not received a confirmation. They allow porno, but not loading presses? You can let the AdWords team know your displeasure at [url]mailto:adwords@google.com[/url] . Their general email seems to be [url]mailto:info@google.com[/url] . Their snailmail address is: Google, Inc. 2400 Bayshore Parkway Mountain View CA 94043 Best regards Chad
Link Posted: 7/17/2001 11:05:58 AM EST
Awwwww CRAP! That is one of the best search engines out there. Now I've gotta find a new favorite.
Link Posted: 7/17/2001 11:10:57 AM EST
I'm not sure what you/they mean. I get firearm related sites such as gunbroker, Duncan's Gun Shop, etc... when I do searches and they relate directly to the sale of firearms and firearm related equipment. Explain more please.
Link Posted: 7/17/2001 11:11:51 AM EST
Link Posted: 7/17/2001 11:43:54 AM EST
PLEASE......PEOPLE Remeber that may of these places, Google, PayPal, etc don't allow the trading of firearms using their resources for ONE reason and ONE reason only: LIABILITY. Let's not forget where the rela attention belongs...on Brady and Co and all the leftylibs who are after out rights and smearing the firearms and it's community. Places such as Lowes and others that take the DING DONG stance about gun saftey and such deserve the protest. Otherwise, many of these places are just fallout examples of the leftylibs. This isn't much different that a Shoes Required by a business in order to protect themselves. Focus attentions at the source...not he symptoms. Troy....you with me on this? Zaz
Link Posted: 7/17/2001 11:48:34 AM EST
I Like www.metacrawler.com
Link Posted: 7/17/2001 11:53:44 AM EST
I just did a search on "gun" and they returned many links, including e-gun.net and web-links to gun stores. Maybe [url]www.e-gun.net[/url] paid them off to de-list other sites.
Link Posted: 7/17/2001 12:00:49 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/17/2001 12:00:28 PM EST by Steelviper]
That's unfortunate about Google, as it's system of rating sites (judging by number of links to a site rather than searching for instances of key words) is fairly revolutionary and powerful. I really haven't found any other single search that matches it (not counting meta-searches, which are sort of a shotgun approach). I'm with zazou that it's far more likely a liability issue. Tech people usually have to answer to the lawyers, and lawyers tend to be a lot that will play it safe rather than risk a lawsuit. Can anyone come up with a single search engine (no metasearches) that beats Google? Chaingun: Google will return "gun" results just like anything else. The issue is that they won't allow people to buy advertising about firearm products (so you'd get a sponsored link up at the top of any search with "gun" in it).
Link Posted: 7/17/2001 12:16:50 PM EST
Interesting. I type in "Bulldawg's Firearms Page" and get 19 results - All of them pointing to my website or a site with my link.
Link Posted: 7/17/2001 12:17:28 PM EST
Try www.Dogpile.com
Link Posted: 7/17/2001 12:22:43 PM EST
Right. It searches them just fine. In fact, it's great at searches. What they won't do is accept money for search placement. Try something like "car". A sponsored link will appear above the search results, which is some pretty powerful advertising (because you're getting to target people who are looking for something to do with your product). However try "gun". No sponsored links. Still works great as a search engine, they just won't allow themselves to be an advertising tool for firearms products (presumably to cover their rear, in the legal sense).
Link Posted: 7/17/2001 12:34:18 PM EST
As an aside, let me put in a vote of confidence for Chad at eguns-com. I bought some dillon equiptment from him and was 100% satisfied. Fast delivery, put up with my odd-ball requests and was over-all very helpful. If you need dillon stuff, he is the man to see, and at a discount to boot. Not connected at all with them, just one happy customer.
Link Posted: 7/17/2001 12:38:29 PM EST
Link Posted: 7/17/2001 2:42:19 PM EST
Originally Posted By zazou: PLEASE......PEOPLE Remeber that may of these places, Google, PayPal, etc don't allow the trading of firearms using their resources for ONE reason and ONE reason only: LIABILITY.
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Remember, the ads they are refusing are not for guns. They are for reloading presses. There is no liability there. You are probably right, that it comes from a liability position. But, companies will continue to take the easy way out and just listen to their dumb lawyers unless they get feedback. A lot of it! It doesn't matter if the anti-gun position is from laziness or intent. They have that position. They need to hear about it, and hear a lot. Google's AdWords Terms and Conditions also makes no mention of this restriction at all. BTW, PayPal seems to have no problem handling transactions for reloading presses. Thanks for listening Chad
Link Posted: 7/17/2001 4:08:13 PM EST
That is one of the best search engins. I found AR15.com through them.
Link Posted: 7/18/2001 1:27:17 AM EST
[url]http://ixquick.com[/url] Forget that gargle crap!
Link Posted: 7/18/2001 2:46:44 AM EST
Speaking of search engines... I need to vent. I do a lot of my searches via the address line in IE5. Type a ? then what you search for. Well, a few days ago some damn site must have screwed with something in my work pc because instead of going to altavista (where I told ie to use), it now goes to one of two search engines. www.websearch123.com or www.yoursearch.org. I've searched the registry and couldn't find anything. Deleted cookies, uninstalled ie5 and reinstalled. etc, no luck. IE says it will use altavista for my autosearch but these bastards did something. Arrrg. I've posted a tech support help question at microsoft and I'm awaiting a reply. I've searched deja (google) [url]groups.google.com/groups?as_q=websearch123[/url] and a few other people have the same problem as I do. No solutions yet. I did notice that when I do a search, it goes to auto.search.msn.com/response.asp Thanks for reading. I'd shoot my pc right now if guns were legal in DC. [:D]
Link Posted: 7/18/2001 4:04:39 AM EST
And yet, Google.com has dozens of gun related discussion groups. [url]http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&safe=off&group=rec.guns[/url] Norm
Link Posted: 7/24/2001 1:13:31 PM EST
Update: Some of you may have seen my ad running on google.com even though I was complaining about them being anti-gun. I don't think that they honestly know that the ad is running. Their ad system is automated and I finally got the confirmation email I needed to activate my account with them so I went and activated it and my ad started immediately running. After it started running, I received an email reply from them confirming that their policy was correct and that they had the right of editorial freedom to not allow certain ads. So,as far as I know, they have not changed the policy (their policy is not to accept paid advertising for firearms or firearms related items, though this policy is not on their web page anywhere, it was clearly spelled out to me by email). Their free search engine stuff is not firearms restricted, just the paid ads. My ad for Dillon presses is running because their automated system has no oversight, as it appears. Just to clarify stuff. There is a link on my web page explaining what has happened so far between Google and eguns.com Chad [url]www.eguns.com[/url]
Link Posted: 7/24/2001 1:57:17 PM EST
Are you sure?......I heard they were part of the pink pistol crowd......or maybe it was lavender loafers...........[dracula]
Link Posted: 7/24/2001 2:27:38 PM EST
I emailed them about this. Their response was: Hello Thank you for your email. Google believes strongly in freedom of expression and therefore offers broad access to content across the web without censoring results. At the same time, we reserve the right to exercise editorial discretion when it comes to the advertising we accept on our site, as noted in our advertising terms and conditions. Please note that the decisions we make concerning advertising in no way affect the search results we deliver. We will continue to show search results for firearms and related products. We appreciate your comments on this issue, which will help inform our future policy discussions. Thank you for taking the time to contact us. Please feel free to email us at adwords@google.com with further questions or concerns. Thank you for your time, The Google AdWords Team
Link Posted: 7/24/2001 3:26:01 PM EST
Link Posted: 7/26/2001 4:29:37 PM EST
Update: They must have just found the ad I had running as in the last 45 minutes or so I got the following email: "Hello Chad, As per our previous communication, we do not allow the advertisement of firearms or related products. We are writing to let you know that your account has been closed, effective immediately. We appreciate your cooperation with our decisions. Sincerely, The Google AdWords Team " So definitely put them in the anti-gun crowd. I told them they were hypocrites and rape and crime supporting people and thay they discriminated. Chad [url]www.eguns.com[/url]
Link Posted: 7/26/2001 4:34:26 PM EST
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