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6/26/2005 9:37:00 AM EDT
can ethanol replace gasoline or is it merely an additive?   someone told me they sell it in the midwest, if so how much is it a gallon?
6/26/2005 9:41:07 AM EDT
[#1]
Yes, it can. Replace the jets in your carb. with ones that are twice the size of the gas jets and you'll be good to to.  For Fuel Injected cars/trucks you'll have to reprogram your computer to inject twice as much fuel to work correctly.  There are also some carb. makers that make an Alcohol carb. that replaces your standard carb. if you don't want to mess with jet replacement.  If you want to make your own ethenol you'll need a permit from the government, can't remember the name of it, something about an "alternitive fuel" deal or something or other.  Do a google and I'm sure you'll find loads of info.  

P.S.
Also remember that ethenol burns clear so it's hard to tell if someone is on fire with it or not. If they are use water to put it our.
6/26/2005 9:43:34 AM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
can ethanol replace gasoline or is it merely an additive?   someone told me they sell it in the midwest, if so how much is it a gallon?



Its an extender.  Engines can be designed to use pure ethanol but you can not use it in current car and truck engines.  You can run turbines on pure ethnanol.  If you had an M1 tank you could run it on ethanol all day long.  Ethanol has poor lubricating qualities as well as causing chaulk deposits in your injectors and ruining your hoses.  Gas mileage is also poor with ethanol diluted gasoline compared to pure gasoline.
6/26/2005 9:46:56 AM EDT
[#3]
Currently, it's a myth...kind of like Alchemy, that's to say "turning lead into gold".

The reason ethanol is a myth is that it takes 2 gallons of diesel just to harvest enough corn or grain to make 1 gallon of ethanol, get it?

If you're expending 2 gallons of fuel to make 1 gallon of fuel, then you are loosing 2 to 1 with each gallon you make.

Ethanol may work someday, but for right now it's bullshi'ite for leftists and a tax loop-hole for farmers.
6/26/2005 10:43:27 AM EDT
[#4]
my car 2003 chevy suburban has a flex fuel engine.   does this mean it can run on ethanol without any further mods?
6/26/2005 11:19:43 AM EDT
[#5]

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my car 2003 chevy suburban has a flex fuel engine.   does this mean it can run on ethanol without any further mods?




Yes and no.

It doesn't need any mods to run on ethanol, but it can't run on pure ethanol, there is a limit.
It's somewhere high though, at around 70%-80% ethanol-gas mixture.
6/26/2005 11:22:35 AM EDT
[#6]
There is 1 gas statyion here that sell "E85" which is an 85% ethanol blend. I think the news article on it said the price is about $1.85 / gallon. You can only use it in those new flex fuel vehicles.
6/26/2005 11:23:43 AM EDT
[#7]
Also, I haven't seen any stations selling the ethanol gas mixtre around here. I know we don't have any plans on getting it at our station as of yet so it may be hard to find.
6/26/2005 11:31:31 AM EDT
[#8]

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There is 1 gas statyion here that sell "E85" which is an 85% ethanol blend. I think the news article on it said the price is about $1.85 / gallon. You can only use it in those new flex fuel vehicles.





what does a gallon of regular unleaded go for there?
6/26/2005 12:14:58 PM EDT
[#9]

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Currently, it's a myth...kind of like Alchemy, that's to say "turning lead into gold".

The reason ethanol is a myth is that it takes 2 gallons of diesel just to harvest enough corn or grain to make 1 gallon of ethanol, get it?

If you're expending 2 gallons of fuel to make 1 gallon of fuel, then you are loosing 2 to 1 with each gallon you make.

Ethanol may work someday, but for right now it's bullshi'ite for leftists and a tax loop-hole for farmers.



Wow! As bad info goes, that little piece scores pretty high.

6/26/2005 12:20:59 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:
There is 1 gas statyion here that sell "E85" which is an 85% ethanol blend. I think the news article on it said the price is about $1.85 / gallon. You can only use it in those new flex fuel vehicles.





what does a gallon of regular unleaded go for there?


I think $2.23 or so I haven't filled up lately.
6/26/2005 12:21:22 PM EDT
[#11]

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Yes, it can. Replace the jets in your carb. with ones that are twice the size of the gas jets and you'll be good to to.  For Fuel Injected cars/trucks you'll have to reprogram your computer to inject twice as much fuel to work correctly.  There are also some carb. makers that make an Alcohol carb. that replaces your standard carb. if you don't want to mess with jet replacement.  If you want to make your own ethenol you'll need a permit from the government, can't remember the name of it, something about an "alternitive fuel" deal or something or other.  Do a google and I'm sure you'll find loads of info.  

P.S.
Also remember that ethenol burns clear so it's hard to tell if someone is on fire with it or not. If they are use water to put it our.



Along with every gasket and seal in the carb too.    Learned that on ethe hard way.
6/26/2005 12:25:10 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Currently, it's a myth...kind of like Alchemy, that's to say "turning lead into gold".

The reason ethanol is a myth is that it takes 2 gallons of diesel just to harvest enough corn or grain to make 1 gallon of ethanol, get it?

If you're expending 2 gallons of fuel to make 1 gallon of fuel, then you are loosing 2 to 1 with each gallon you make.

Ethanol may work someday, but for right now it's bullshi'ite for leftists and a tax loop-hole for farmers.



Wow! As bad info goes, that little piece scores pretty high.




Care to support your argument?
6/26/2005 12:29:35 PM EDT
[#13]
One thing I miss
Is cold Ethyl and her skeleton kiss.

We met last night
Making love by the refrigerator light.

Ethyl, Ethyl,

Let me squeeze you in my arms.

Ethyl, Ethyl,

Come and freeze me with your charms.

One thing, no lie -
Ethyl's frigid as an Eskimo pie.

She's cool in bed,
She's gotta be 'cuz Ethyl's dead.
She's gotta be 'cuz Ethyl's dead.

Come on, cold Ethyl, freeze me baby.

One thing - it's true,
Cold Ethyl I am stuck on you,

And everything is my way,
Ethyl don't have much to say.
Ethyl don't have much to say.

Come here, cold Ethyl

What makes you so cold ?...OO..So cold

Cold Ethyl, cold, cold Ethyl

If I live 'til 97,
You'll still be waiting
In refrigerator heaven,

Cuz you're cool, you're ice.
Cold Ethyl - you're my paradise.
6/26/2005 12:31:46 PM EDT
[#14]
Like others have posted, there are Flex Fuel vehicles, only the tax break for these has been eliminated as there was no commercial distribution system for this fuel (Ethanol 85%).  The vehicles can use any mix from 85% to 0% EtOH with NO ADJUSTMENTS required.  Since all gasoline cars made since 1996 utilize OBDII, the fuel-air ratio is automatically adjusted regardless of the carbon content per gallon (alcohol containing fuels have less carbon per gallon, owing to the presence of oxygen in the fuel).

Each pound of corn produces about 10 ounces of ethanol.  I doubt it takes TWO gallons of diesel to make one gallon ethanol.  The total energy balance is about 25-30 percent, taking into account the LARGEST energy consumption is in the distillation process where most of the energy can be recovered in more efficient processes.
6/26/2005 12:37:36 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Currently, it's a myth...kind of like Alchemy, that's to say "turning lead into gold".

The reason ethanol is a myth is that it takes 2 gallons of diesel just to harvest enough corn or grain to make 1 gallon of ethanol, get it?

If you're expending 2 gallons of fuel to make 1 gallon of fuel, then you are loosing 2 to 1 with each gallon you make.

Ethanol may work someday, but for right now it's bullshi'ite for leftists and a tax loop-hole for farmers.



Wow! As bad info goes, that little piece scores pretty high.




Care to support your argument?



That it doesn't take 2 gallons of diesel fuel to harvest enough corn to make 1 gallon of ethanol?  

It doesn't.

A leftist plot and and a tax loophole for farmers?  The tax break is less tax that you pay at the pump. I haven't figured out what leftists have to do with it.

6/26/2005 5:19:39 PM EDT
[#16]
Air-fuel ratio for gasoline is 12 parts of air to one part of gasoline.

For ethanol, it is 9 parts of air to one part of ethanol.

For methanol, it is 6 parts of air to one part of methanol.

So, you must pass 33% more fuel when burning pure ethanol, as compared to gasoline.

With methanol, you must pass twice as much methanol as compared to gasoline.

6/26/2005 7:34:58 PM EDT
[#17]

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Air-fuel ratio for gasoline is 12 parts of air to one part of gasoline.

For ethanol, it is 9 parts of air to one part of ethanol.

For methanol, it is 6 parts of air to one part of methanol.

So, you must pass 33% more fuel when burning pure ethanol, as compared to gasoline.

With methanol, you must pass twice as much methanol as compared to gasoline.




And modern fuel injected, OBDII engines can adjust for it in lower concentrations.  Engines certified to run 85% ethanol (Flex Fuel) have enough "authority" in the injection system to deal with the longer duty cycle for requested power.  The air-fuel ratio (lambda) in controlled by the oxygen sensor outputs.  Since alcohol has a greater range in flammability limits and greater octane rating, meaning it can deal with wider ranges in lambda than gasoline.  That and its greater vapor pressure of alcohol...
6/26/2005 7:38:24 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:
Currently, it's a myth...kind of like Alchemy, that's to say "turning lead into gold".



Sorry to hijack.

Ever take chemistry?  It is possible to do that.  Extremley uneconomical, but possible.
6/26/2005 8:37:46 PM EDT
[#19]
We burn a lot of ethanol in Kansas. Right now it is running a few pennys cheaper than gas. 10 percent alcohol mix is as high as being done right now at most stations. As far as how your vehicle runs- My S-10 with a Vordec V6 doesnt know the difference. I run ethanol in it all the time. A few stations are selling a 30 percent blend but you have to have a multi-fuel vehicle to use it. The 4 banger S-10 pickups will burn it. The 30 percent blend last I heard was selling at around a quarter a gallon cheaper than gas.
6/27/2005 4:38:44 AM EDT
[#20]
If you want to save some money and you have a diesel, you will want to burn the 11% soy-diesel.